What's worse: larger tumor or 1 involved lymph node?

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Sunflower64
Sunflower64 Member Posts: 166

Hi girls,

I think about this all the time and thought I would ask you for some input. What is a worse diagnosis:

a 2cm tumor with 1 involved lymph node or a 3cm tumor with no lymph node involvement?

 Just curious,

Diane

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  • LRM216
    LRM216 Member Posts: 2,115
    edited September 2011

    I was told that sometimes the smaller tumors can be extremely aggressive, while a larger one could be a lot less agressive and very slow growing.  As for the lymph node involvement, look at it this way, it was doing it's job.  There are a lot of us "no node involvement" gals that go on to progress while others that start off with nodal involvement don't.  I don't think this freaking disease follows any rules whatsoever.  Seems to be a total crap shoot.  And be thankful your Er/PR positive - I got cursed with this lovely triple negative diagnose.

    I wish you all the best,

    Linda

  • snicklefritz
    snicklefritz Member Posts: 66
    edited September 2011

    Yours is the 64 million dollar question that no one can really answer. Some women with many nodes and large rumors never recur and some with small rumors and no lymph nodes will. no one really knows as there are so many variables. We want answers but we don't get them and it is so hard.

  • snicklefritz
    snicklefritz Member Posts: 66
    edited September 2011

    sorry. The word was supposed to be tumor not rumor!

  • Judy_Mc
    Judy_Mc Member Posts: 32
    edited September 2011

    Every few years I like to check back in here. I was and still am so grateful for this board that was such a comfort to me so many years ago.

    In answer to your question I was DX in 2003 with a 5 to 6cm tumor with no lymph nodes involvement.I had radiation,masectomy, and 6 years of Arimidex. So far I am still NED.

    This disease is so unpredicatble that I don't think it is even possible to say one thing is better than the other.I have strong faith and totally believe it is all in GOD's hands and wherever we are is right where HE intends us to be.

  • ma111
    ma111 Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2011

    I think it would be the involved node as that means it traveled.

  • NannaBaby
    NannaBaby Member Posts: 510
    edited September 2011

    I'd say involved nodes is worse

  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited September 2011

    Grade & other tumor characteristics probably mean more than size & lymph node involvement. Especially if your talking only 1 lymph node. But It does seem to be a bit of a crapshoot.

  • pod1257
    pod1257 Member Posts: 262
    edited September 2011

    It is a crap shoot.

    I've read the large tumors with no nodes can sometimes be a "gentle giant." I think that was my mom's case. She was premenopausal, had a large 6.5cm tumor, a L mastectomy and no other treatment. She is alive and well 29yrs later at age 83. I am a 5yr survivor and hoping to make it to 80++

    Julie

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited September 2011

    When I was diagnosed, I was given a handbook produced by the (Australian) National Breast and Ovarian Cancer Centre which listed 6 risk factors that make the cancer more likely to return:

    • tumour is larger than 2 cm;
    • cancer cells found in lymph nodes
    • cancer cells do not have hormone receptors
    • HER2+
    • Grade 3/high grade
    • unclear surgical margin.
  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited September 2011
    default T3N0M0 Breast cancer patients: A subgroup with favorable prognosis
    T3N0M0 Breast cancer patients: A subgroup with favorable prognosis


        MURAT GÜRKAYNAK, FERAH YILDIZ, Ý. LALE ATAHAN


        Hacettepe University Faculty of Medicine, Department of Radiation Oncology, Ankara-Turkey




        The true pathological T3N0M0 breast cancer is a rare
    disease with surprisingly good survival rate. In this retrospective
    study we tried to evaluate the possible prognostic
    factors in pT3N0M0 breast cancer patients and to compare
    them with pT3N1M0 and pT1-2N0M0 patients. Between
    December 1993 and December 1998, 444 patients without
    any distant metastases were treated at our department. A
    total of 194 patients were staged as pT3. Among them 40
    were pT3N0 and 154 were pT3N1. One hundred patients
    were staged as pT1-2N0. The 3-year overall (OS) and
    disease free survival rates (DFS) for T3N0M0 patients with
    a median follow-up time of 38 months are 100% and 90%,
    respectively. There was no statistically significant DFS and
    OS difference between T1-2N0 and T3N0 patients. A significant
    DFS, distant metastasis free survival (DMFS) advantage
    was observed in T3N0 subgroup when compared to T3N1
    patients. Although not significant, there was a strong trend
    for OS in favor of T3N0M0 patients as well (p=0.09). For
    T3 patients, the metastatic lymph node ratio (LNR: number
    of metastatic lymph nodes/total number of lymph nodes
    dissected) significantly affected both DFS and DMFS; however
    there was no significant survival difference between
    0% and 1-25% LNR groups both in terms of DFS and DMFS.
    These results suggest that T3N0M0 breast cancer patients
    treated by postoperative radiotherapy and chemotherapy
    have a fairly good outcome comparable to T1-2N0M0
    patients. A subgroup of T3N1 patients with less than 25%
    lymph node involvement seems to behave similarly to T3N0
    patients.
  • shells43
    shells43 Member Posts: 1,022
    edited September 2011

    Voracious,

    I found that journal article last year after my surgery. Personally, I'm clinging to that opinion as my tumor was 9.7 cm "encapsulated", and no nodes. If it is a different beast, great. I also know at least 1/3 of folks with no node involvement still have a recurrence.

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