Dense Breasts Reminder

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Just another gentle reminder concerning dense breasts.

 Evidence shows that for women with extremely dense breasts, the cancer risk can be four to six times higher than for women whose breasts are not dense. By comparison, a family history of breast cancer - long considered an important risk factor - usually only doubles the risk.

The link between breast density and breast cancer was first discovered in the 1970s. "It took a long time for people to accept it," says Malcolm Pike, a professor of preventive medicine at the Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center at USC and an attending epidemiologist at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York. "But nobody's arguing about it now."

Yet as widely accepted as the link is in the scientific community - and despite the fact that many researchers are convinced it could help identify high-risk women and maybe lead to treatments to reduce their risk - to date it has played a small part in the battle against breast cancer.

"Most women don't even know their own breast density," says William Barlow, a senior biostatistician at Cancer Research and Biostatistics in Seattle.

If you've ever had a mammogram, your breast density has probably been measured and recorded - but not reported to you. After all, the measurement has traditionally been considered of interest only to radiologists. It was instituted not as a harbinger of breast cancer risk but rather as an indication of how difficult a mammogram is to read. (The denser the breast, the harder the read.)

Even now, when the link to cancer risk is well established, many health professionals fear that giving women information about their breast density will serve little purpose other than to confuse or worry them, since it's largely determined by factors outside of their control (such as heredity, age and ethnicity).

But Connecticut passed a law last year requiring that patients' mammography reports must include breast-density information. And many doctors and researchers are in favor of more disclosure.

"I think patients should be told as much information as possible - recognizing they may not be able to use all of it. It certainly should be available if women ask for it," Barlow says. "After all, you can't change most of the risk factors for breast cancer."

Besides, Barlow and others argue that there are ways to use breast density information. If you know you have dense breasts, you may choose to have more clinical exams or mammograms than you would otherwise. Or you may choose to have an MRI, which doesn't become harder to read in cases of dense breasts the way mammograms do.

Also, density can change over time, so you may want to track your density from mammogram to mammogram. Two studies reported in April at the American Assn. for Cancer Research 101st Annual Meeting 2010 found that if a woman's breast density changes, so does her risk of breast cancer - if density goes up, so does risk, and vice versa.

One of the studies used data from the 2002 Women's Health Initiative trial that found postmenopausal women using hormone replacement therapy (estrogen and progestin) had a greater risk of breast cancer than women taking a placebo. In the new study, researchers found that in mammograms done a year apart, breast density went up for 85% of the women in the replacement group, and this increase in density could explain the increased cancer risk in that group.

These findings suggest that knowledge about breast density could be important to a woman deciding whether to use hormone replacement therapy for relief of hot flashes or other menopausal symptoms, for example, says Celia Byrne, assistant professor of oncology at the Lombardi Comprehensive Cancer Center at Georgetown University and lead researcher on the study. "If she has dense breasts, she might consider not taking hormones."

Another way to use the breast density-breast cancer link might be to incorporate it in the Breast Cancer Risk Assessment Tool, a method developed by the National Cancer Institute and the National Surgical Adjuvant Breast and Bowel Project that is widely used by health professionals to assess a patient's breast cancer risk. So far, this has not been done.

But researchers have developed other assessment tools that do take breast density into account - and in their studies so far, these tools give better (if only modestly better) results than the standard one. The National Cancer Institute says that additional studies done by independent researchers are necessary before changing the standard tool.

And there's another hang-up. Many researchers acknowledge that implementing such models would not be easy because of a fundamental problem with breast density: measuring it.

The measure in most common use - the one made with most mammograms - is rather imprecise and subjective. It simply rates densities according to four categories from the Breast Imaging Reporting and Data System (or BI-RADS), which is widely used by radiologists, from 1, for predominately fat, to 4, for extremely dense.

Researchers often aim for greater precision by estimating the percentage of dense breast tissue or using computer-based systems to calculate it. MRIs can provide very precise measures too but are probably too expensive for widespread use.

New techniques are on the horizon. Another study reported at the April meeting of the American Assn. for Cancer Research found that a technology commonly used to measure bone density and total body composition - dual energy X-ray absorptiometry, or DXA - can provide breast-density measurements that correlate well with mammographic measurements but with lower radiation exposure. Other researchers are working on ways to make totally radiation-free measurements with ultrasound.

To date, though, no method exists that is precise and objective enough to provide consistent results while at the same time being simple and inexpensive enough for wide use.

Indeed, Boyd says, the fact that density is so closely associated with risk is even more remarkable considering the weaknesses in density measurement. "Probably," he says, "the relationship is much stronger than we know."

Boyd suggests that down the road, the breast density-cancer link may be useful not only in identifying those at high risk but also in helping to lower that risk. Preliminary evidence supports that belief. More than a decade ago, for example, Pike and a number of colleagues found that a particular type of hormonal contraceptive could lead to substantial reductions in breast density. More recently, another study found that the cancer drug tamoxifen can reduce breast density.

"Theoretically," Boyd says, "in the same way that people now take drugs to lower their cholesterol and thus their risk of heart attack or stroke, you could someday take a drug to lower your breast density - and thus your risk of breast cancer."

 

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  • lsfchicago
    lsfchicago Member Posts: 24
    edited December 2019

    Hi Aug242007- my mammo report says the breast tissue is extreemly dense. this may lower the sensitivity of mammography. (>75% glandular). left report was no signifiacant abnormalities noted. right: no significant abnormalities noted. skin fold on CC view. I went back for additional screens and I recieved an US on my right breast last week due to me finding lumps. they diagnosed as 8-10 complicated cysts. some had fluid, some were solid. ranging 3mm-6mm in size. I had a complex fibroadenoma removed at 26. had another lump evaluated at 28 via US, but no findings of cancer. This was my first test since age 28, I turn 40 in 2 months. They said 'don't worry' cysts aren't cancer, come back in 6 months for a follow-up ultrasound. I am not sure I am happy with this course of action, given my history and dense breasts. I have no history of BC in family. but history of cancer.

    what are your thougths on this plan of action?

  • 22lifeisgood
    22lifeisgood Member Posts: 118
    edited March 2011

    I will chime in a little with lsfchicago - 2 year daily breast discomfort (outer right side) including armpit discomfort/some puffiness sometimes. mammos/us stated 2mm complex cyst - (Jan '10 and July'10) no changes noted and radiologist clearly stated BENIGN. Birads 2. Hetergenously dense breasts.Went to surgeon, after his physical exam (no palpable lump) he put me on 3 month recheck with him until my next mammo/us that will be due in July. I go back to him on the 16th. (you can read my whole report under my post of Complex Cyst Anyone?) I have had faithful mammograms since I turned 40, just turned 46. Haven't heard a peep about these hetergenously dense breasts until I read the report I needed to take to surgeon. Breast fed my youngest daughter who is 4.

    Here are a few of my questions - if this WAS cancer, would it show another symptom by now? Can a small cyst such as this create this much havoc? Not necessarily pain, I am just always aware of this. It is really starting to take a toll on my mental state, and I don't know how to get out of it.

    Any thoughts you could share would be greatly appreciated. 

  • lsfchicago
    lsfchicago Member Posts: 24
    edited December 2019

    @22lifeisgood- I will be anxious to hear of your US results on the 16th. My lumps don't hurt. I have a little odd feeling sometimes when I lift my right arm, but its not what I would refer to as pain. And I have tingly feeling in my right nipple which is also itchy.

  • 22lifeisgood
    22lifeisgood Member Posts: 118
    edited March 2011

    lsfchicago - I wouldn't say my lump hurts....... I can't even feel the "lump" (cyst) with my fingers. Seems neither can anyone else.Which i guess technically thats a good thing?  Closer to my period time if I lift my arm I can feel something inside like it got bigger (especially if I have a bra on) but then that goes away after my cycle. The "awareness" never goes away. My right nipple seems a tad more sensitive than my left as well. No itchy's though.

    When i first noticed this if I "dug" hard enough I found the spot (which I assume was the cyst itself) and it presented with a bruised feeling if I was poking long enough. 

    Armpit itches sometimes and the puffiness seems to get worse when I shave. I would just love to go back to not being aware of my boob or armpit every day............. But my problems are so minimal compared to others, especially on here, that I really feel like such a baby. 

    Praying for some good insight on Wednesday and another, "don't feel anything, don't see any changes see ya in 3 months". 

  • TinaT
    TinaT Member Posts: 2,300
    edited March 2011

    I'm so glad some progress is being made on this front.  I've always had dense breasts.  I would get so frustrated when my doctor would call to say my mammogram was "normal" when I knew that wasn't the case.  The body of the actual report always mentioned that lesions could be obscured due to the density of the breast tissue.  The conclusion of the report always said "no masses identified".  Sorry......in my book, that's NOT a "normal" report!  I have been insistent on digital mammography since it's been available, which has helped.

    A tiny cluster of calcifications did show up in 2009 and a lumpectomy was done which showed ADH.  When I got my "normal" mammogram report in 2010 I began my fight for an MRI.  It took 6 months and finally the breast surgeon was able to get it authorized.  I have no family history.  The MRI report even mentioned slight difficulty interpreting the images due to dense tissue.  However, five abnormal areas were seen...three were benign fibroadenomas, one was a small invasive lobular carcinoma, and one was a small DCIS.

    My bilateral mastectomy was on Feb. 16.  Multiple additional areas of lobular neoplasia and ADH were found at final pathology.  Every doctor I have seen in the past few months has commented on how "lucky" I was to have had the MRI and commended me for listening to my gut and insisting on it.  I am told my cancers would likely not have been found by palpation for 3-5 years and would possibly never have shown up on mammography.

    I realize that insurance companies are reluctant to authorize MRIs because lots of additional testing is sometimes recommeded due to the sensitivity of the test.  However, it should be easier for women without a family history of breast cancer (which is still the main criterion for doing one) to get one done.

    Thanks for listening!

    Surgery:  NSBMX with TE 2/16/11
    Diagnosis:  Left ILC, 8mm, Grade 1, Score 1b, SBR Score 5/9, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2 -
    Second area of lobular neoplasia and multiple foci ADH in left breast
    Previous history ADH in right breast

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    I had extremely dense breasts and no one told me that meant much higher chance of breast cancer.  I had lumps which I and the doctor had felt for years but he did not biopsy.  I saw the NP for one trip to the BS and she demanded that they do the MRI and biopsy.  I had Stage 2 IDC.  Had only normal mammograms every year. Never even had a call back appt. 

    Bottom line:  Always have an MRI if you have dense breasts even if you have to pay out of pocket.  I would have gladly paid out of pocket.  Always biopsy lumps.  It is the only way to know.  Ultrasounds and mammograms did not see my 2.2 cm IDC.

  • seagan
    seagan Member Posts: 166
    edited March 2011

    I had very dense breasts and interestingly, it was mammograms that detected both my first tumor (IDC + DCIS) found in 2009 and then recurrent DCIS this year.  After my first diagnosis and lumpectomy, they were alternating MRIs and mammos every six months as surveillance.  My most recent MRI, about 8 months ago, detected nothing.  My mammo 6 months later spotted the recurrent DCIS.

    I had to have a mastectomy after my recurrence (couldn't do radiation again on that side), so I won't be having any more screening mammos or MRI.  But it seems like alternating between the two, if possible, has important advantages even with dense breasts.  I vaguely remember reading somewhere that MRIs can pick up things mammos can't, but that the reverse is true too -- has anyone else read that?

  • Amykd
    Amykd Member Posts: 22
    edited March 2011

    Hi Ladies,

    I just wanted to add my experience with dense breasts as it has been a slap in the face. Yesterday I had 5 core samples taken 2 in left 3 in right breast. Praying for benign results! They put clips in every area and then I had a mammogram. When I looked at the location of my biopsy areas, all you could see was white-dense breast tissue. Even the most talented radiologists would not be able to see a thing. My mamogram in Feb was declared birads 2 (I have fibroadenomas). These areas of concern were found because my BS suggested I should have a whole breast ultrasound (sonocine) due to my breast density. I am very lucky to have such a meticulous Dr and radiologist.




    If you don't know your breast density, ask just to make sure. Not all Dr's are paying attention to breast density as a risk factor. If your Dr seems indifferent to your breast density, find a new one who will advocate for you to have an MRI or whole breast ultrasound or both as mine did!



    Sorry ladies....didn't mean to rant but this is very important info! I think we should always have a dense breast thread going on the forum for all us newbies and lurkers (as I was for years).



    Amy





  • wonderfullymade
    wonderfullymade Member Posts: 111
    edited March 2011

    Dense breast sisters,

    I am 36 and have high risk factors because of a strong familial bc history, mom and gma. I think my docs approach thus far had been great. I complained of deep tissue itching and heaviness on the left side. I have also had some clear discharge recently. She sent me immediately to have a dx mammo/ follwed by complete ultrasound. This showed some inconclusive results due to my density and fibro glandular tissue. I met with a genetic specialist and am waiting for my results there. I also had an mri that showed two suspicious areas of tissue thickening that neither the mammo or us detected. I am scheduled for two mri guided biopsies and punch biospy on Friday. I am greatful for the treatment I have had thus far. I did have to fight a little with insurance for the mri but wont anylonger! Thank for creating this topic for discussion. I feel it is very important!

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited March 2011

    How many women in the general population are considered to have 'dense' or 'very dense' breasts?

  • Towny
    Towny Member Posts: 111
    edited August 2011

    check out areyoudense.org!!!!

    50% of women have dense breast tissue...

    WE ALL MUST ASK OUR DOCTORs!!! IT IS A SHAME THAT WE HAVE TO PASS A LAW FOR THIS !!!

    NEW YORK IS WORKING ON IT NOW... AND MANY OTHER STATES AS WELL!!!

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited November 2011

    HELP! You can do this!

    The FDA hearing (Nov 4 2011) on dense breast tissue and mammograms was a huge success.  I received an email from JoAnn (Density advocate) tonight. 

    Please consider sending quick note to your congressperson (easy to do following the link) and ask for their support of Federal Bill HR3012 (The Breast Density and Mammography Reporting Act of 2011) https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
    Email from JoAnn:  
    UPDATE:Wonderful news! You were kind enough to voice your support of an amendment to federal requirements for the inclusion of breast density in the letter sent to women after their mammograms.    Last week  Are You Dense Advocacy testified before the  FDA’s Mammography Quality Standards Act Advisory Committee.  Testifying were  patients, researchers, practicing radiologists and national advocacy groups (Komen Advocacy Alliance, among them) who all voiced their strong support of inclusion of density in the patient letter.  The FDA official in charge of the meeting commented on “all those letters” received in favor from around the country. The result?  The FDA Advisory Panel concurred that density information SHOULD be included in letter sent to patient.  The FDA has asked Are You Dense Advocacy to submit suggested language as they contemplate a final recommendation.  We remain optimistic this will continue its forward movement. PLEASE KNOW THAT YOU WERE PART OF THE IMPETUS FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION. INDEED, IT PROVES THE POWER OF ONE. As a regulatory solution may yet take time, we will continue with legislative efforts on both the state and federal level.  So, one more favor to ask.  Can you please contact your congressperson: https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml  

    and ask for their support of  Federal Bill HR3102 (The Breast Density and Mammography Reporting Act of 2011).   Congressional members have – literally – hundreds of bills sitting in their computers, sometimes all it takes is for ONE constituent to show interest in something, for them to support/cosponsor it. 

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