If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we cure cancer?
I am posting this in the alternative section because I have seen a profound misunderstanding of what cancer is by a handful of women in this section. I found this scary due to some women not getting recommended treatment but rather following the advice of known quacks and crackpots such as Robert O. Young who not only thinks cancer is a fungas but an acidic conditon of the body. Cancer is extremely complex and not that easily definable. Below is a cut and paste from Orac's blog, who is a breast cancer surgeon and researcher. This is the best explanation that I have seen on what cancer is and why it is not that easily defined and erradicated. I hope this helps.
If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we cure cancer?
Category: Cancer
Posted on: February 21, 2011 11:30 AM, by OracWhy haven't we cured cancer yet?
If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we cure cancer?
If we can harness the atom, why can't we cure cancer?
How many times have you heard these questions, or variants thereof? How many times have you asked this question yourself? Sometimes, I even ask this question myself. Saturday was the two year anniversary of the death of my mother-in-law from a particularly nasty form of breast cancer, and, even though I am a breast cancer surgeon, I still wonder why there was nothing in the armamentarium of science-based medicine that could save her from a several month decline followed by an unpleasant death. That's why, to me at least, the timing of the publication of a study examining the genome of prostate cancer that was published in Nature a week and a half ago and summarized in this Science Daily news story was particularly apt. Performed as part of the National Cancer Institute's Cancer Genome Project, the study undertook complete genome sequencing of seven advanced and aggressive prostate cancers. The results, as ERV put it, revealed what can be describe as a "train wreck."
Personally, I'd describe it as looking as though someone threw a miniature grenade into the nucleus of a prostate epithelial cell. You'll see what I mean shortly.
Of course, although that image does give you an idea of the chromosomal chaos in the heart of prostate cancer cells, it is inaccurate in that it implies a sudden explosion, after which the damage is done, and if there's one thing we know about cancer it's that in most cases it takes many years for a normal cell to progress to a cancer cell fully capable of metastasizing and killing its host. Cancer is really, really, really complex, of course, and have even pointed out before that when President Nixon launched the "war on cancer" 40 years ago scientists had no idea how complex or difficult cancer would turn out to be. Indeed, before I discuss the current study, it's probably useful to reiterate a bit why, in order to put the study in context.
Cancer is not a single disease, and cancers are different
I'm sure that it probably becomes tiresome for readers to read this time and time again, and, believe me, sometimes I find it tiresome to keep repeating it, but it must be said: Cancer is not a single disease. It's hundreds of diseases. Although there are many common themes in cancer, such as loss of responsiveness to growth signals with a resultant ability to grow unchecked. Other common capabilities of cancer cells include evasion of programmed cell death (apoptosis), inducing the surrounding tissue to provide a blood supply (angiogenesis), evading the immune system, and invading the blood or lymphatic systems to travel elsewhere in the body and take up shop in other organs, such as liver, lung, or bone. Although there are, again, common molecular themes by which cancers do this, individual cancers acquire these necessary (to the cancer) abilities by many different ways.
Even cancers arising from the same cell type can be quite different. For instance, the breast cancer that killed my mother-in-law was a rare spindle cell variant, which is quite different from the much more common invasive ductal carcinoma that is estrogen and progesterone receptor positive. Indeed, even within individual cancers, different populations of cells can be quite different. In many solid tumors, there are cells now referred to as "stem cells." Personally, I consider this term a bit of a misnomer that I really don't like because these cells are not really pluripotent, and the cell types into which they can differentiate are rather limited. Moreover, this nomenclature has also made the concept of the cancer stem cell more controversial scientifically than it really needs to be. What we are really talking about are a relatively small population of cells in many tumors that are endlessly self-renewing and, in general, resistant to chemotherapy. In mice, these are the only cells that can actually form a new tumor when transplanted into a new mouse, and these are the cells that appear to be responsible for relapse after chemotherapy and radiation therapy. Indeed, cancer progression can be viewed as being due to a case of evolution in which the tumor cells that survive selection to continue to grow are the ones that become best at doing all the things that tumor cells need to do to evade the body's defenses and overcome its growth control signals.
One of my favorite examples of how cancer progression can be understood using evolutionary principles was a study of esophageal cancer by Carlo Maley, PhD, a researcher at The Wistar Institute, that was published nearly five years ago. In essence, Maley applied population biology principles, specifically the Shannon Diversity Index, to predict which cases of Barrett's esophagus (a precancerous condition in which the cells lining the lower esophagus are changed by chronic inflammation such that they look more like the cells that line the inside of the stomach) are most likely to progress to invasive esophageal cancer.
Not only is cancer not a single disease, but individual cancers are made up of multiple different clones of cancer cells under selective pressure to become ever more invasive and deadly. Looking at it this way, it's a wonder we don't all die of cancer. We do, however, virtually all have small foci of cancer within us, as I've pointed out before. Yet most of us do not develop cancer, and fewer of us end up dying of cancer, even though cancer is currently duking it out with heart disease as the number one cause of death in industrialized societies. Fortunately, the steps required for cancer to become deadly are difficult and numerous, and the body's defenses against cancer are formidable.
Mechanisms of carcinogenesis are not simple
Let's take a trip in a time machine back to 40 years ago, around the time that Nixon signed the National Cancer Act of 1971. I was a child, and molecular biology was in its infancy. Few of the fancy tools that scientists take for granted these days when it comes to studying genes, proteins, and how they interact even existed. Heck, polymerase chain reaction (PCR)--at least, as we know it now--wasn't even invented for another 12 years and didn't become widespread until the late 1980s and early 1990s. (Nearly 20 years later, I still chuckle at the memory of the monster of a PCR machine, the only one in our department, that I occasionally tried to use in graduate school. The thing took up the better part of a benchtop.) In 1971, the very first oncogene discovered, src, had only been reported the previous year, and it hadn't even been demonstrated that oncogenes were defective protooncogenes; i.e., genes involved in cell growth that were mutated in cancers. That discovery would not come until 1976. Tumor suppressor genes were not discovered until nearly 10 years later, when the retinoblastoma (Rb) gene was characterized in 1986. An even more famous tumor suppressor gene, p53 (or TP53), had been discovered in 1979 by Lionel Crawford, David P. Lane, Arnold Levine, and Lloyd Old, but had initially been thought to be an oncogene. Burt Vogelstein demonstrated its function as a tumor suppressor gene in 1989, and ultimately it was demonstrated to be a critical gene for responding to DNA damage. How that ten-year voyage from oncogene to tumor suppressor played out is described in detail here. It makes interesting reading how a scientific concept can change as new evidence comes in.
Thus, over the first 25 years or so after the National Cancer Act of 1971, it was all about the genes and mutations. The picture that began to emerge was that oncogenes drove tumor growth along with loss of tumor suppressor gene activity. This seemed to fit in nicely with Alfred G. Knudson's "two-hit" hypothesis, which stated that not only were "hits" required in oncogenes to cause cancer but in tumor suppressors as well. Later, Burt Vogelstein developed a model of multi-stage carcinogenesis that required at least six mutations:

As you can see, things were getting pretty complicated. Even so, based on what we know now, even Vogelstein's increasingly sophisticated models in retrospect turn out to have been fairly simplistic. We discovered this over the last decade or so, because, with the advent of expression array profiling (a.k.a. "gene chips" or "cDNA microarrays") in the late 1990s, it became possible to measure the level of expression of thousands of genes at the same time. Before then, we did not have the computational power or the technology necessary to do this, but over the last decade or so, it's become more apparent than ever before that it is not primarily individual genes that determine cancer, or even a handful of genes, but hundreds or even thousands of genes that form complex networks of interactions. Also, around 1998 it was discovered that there is a whole new class of RNA, known as microRNAs (miRNAs), which regulate gene expression. More recent evidence suggests that miRNA expression patterns might actually tell us more about how cancer develops than whole genome expression array profiling because individual miRNAs often regulate the expression of hundreds of genes.
And I'm not even getting into deep sequencing of whole genomes in cancer yet, or the metabolic derangements that characterize cancers and allow them to grow where normal cells cannot, derangements that are probably just as critical to the process of carcinogenesis as genetic alterations.
So, putting it all together as we understand it in 2011, cancer cells not only have mutations that result in dysregulated expression of oncogenes and tumor suppressors, but these changes result in the alteration of expression of hundreds of genes, and in different types of cancer it will be different batteries of genes and miRNAs that are messed up in different ways. In fact, in individual tumors, there will be different populations of cells with different sets of genes and miRNAs messed up in different ways. Even worse, as a tumor progresses, it tends to become more heterogeneous, meaning that the number of different populations of cells tends to increase. Looking at it this way, it's amazing that we have been able to do as well as we have with various forms of "targeted" therapy directed at specific single molecular targets or a class of molecular targets in cancer cells. Gleevec®, for instance, has been amazingly successful as a targeted agent directed against several members of a class of enzyme known as a tyrosine kinases, and by that mechanism it has been phenomenally successful as a treatment for gastrointestinal stromal tumors and certain types of leukemia. Even hoary old Tamoxifen is a targeted therapy directed at the estrogen receptor, and it still remains a mainstay of treatment for estrogen receptor-positive cancers to this day, along with a newer class of drugs known as aromatase inhibitors.
Unfortunately, in the grand scheme of things relatively few tumors are responsive to the targeting of single agents.
The prostate cancer genome
So what does this study tell us? Basically, scientists working at the Broad Institute, Weill Cornell Medical College, the Weizmann Institute of Science, Yale University, and Harvard University completely sequenced the entire genome of seven different prostate cancers and catalogued the abnormalities found by comparing the genome in prostate cancer with that found in the white blood cells of each patient, which were used as the normal control. Of course, this is what's known as a "hypothesis-generating" study (a.k.a. a "fishing expedition" to those more inclined to disparagement). Personally, I have no problems with "fishing expeditions," because without them we would have a serious lack of hypotheses to test. Moreover, this sort of fishing expedition is one where, almost no matter what scientists found, they would learn something useful about prostate cancer. True, it may not be the sort of knowledge that can be translated into therapy quickly. In fact, going in I would have predicted that it almost certainly would not be the sort of understanding that would lead to rapid improvement in prostate cancer treatment, and the results of this study show that it is not. What it does show is just how messed up the genome of cancer cells tends to be.
So what did the investigators find? Rearrangements and translocations. Lots and lots of intrachromosomal rearrangements and interchromosomal translocations. In fact, they found a median of 90 rearrangements and translocations per cancer genome (range: 43-213). They even included a pretty picture to represent the rearrangements. Known as a Circos plot, this graph shows the genomic location in the outer ring and chromosomal copy number in the inner ring (red, copy gain; blue, copy loss). Interchromosomal translocations and intrachromosomal rearrangements are shown in purple and green, respectively. (click on the picture to go to the Nature website and see the full size version):

These rearrangements were, as noted above, both within chromosomes (intrachromosomal) and between chromosomes (interchromosomal). These are represented in the following figure (again, click on the figure to see the full-size version):

Panel A shows an idealized picture of how these translocations work, with chromosomal breaks and rejoining with pieces of other chromosomes. It's not necessary for me to go into the details other than to point out that in panels B and C we see that the break points have a disturbing propensity to be located right in the middle of important genes, like tumor suppressors. For instance, in PR-2832, break points appear in the middle of TP53 and ABL1. In other tumors, investigators found recurrent rearrangements that involved CADM2 and PTEN. PTEN is a known tumor suppressor gene, but CADM2 (cell adhesion molecule 2). This result appears to be confirmatory of recent results implicating CADM2 as a tumor suppressor gene in prostate cancer. Overall, scientists observed some new rearrangements, and ones that had been detected before.
Or, to put it even more simply, as William Phelps, program director for Translational and Preclinical Cancer Research at the American Cancer Society, put it:
Here's one way to conceptualize the alteration, Phelps said: "If the genome was a book, instead of just looking for out-of-place letters or misspelled words, whole genome sequencing looks for whole paragraphs that are in the wrong place."Because [the researchers] sequenced everything, they were able to map not only individual base changes but also how whole genes or segments of the chromosomes had moved around," Phelps said. "By sequencing everything and comparing the normal DNA (in white blood cells), they could see that not only were there individual base changes in the genes, but the genes themselves had been reshuffled in the tumor as part of the process of becoming cancer," he explained.
"If we could use those changes as a diagnostic tool that would be tremendously valuable," he added.
Whole genome sequencing also enables scientists to look not only at "coding" genes, but also "noncoding" DNA around the genes that was once thought to be "junk" but is now known to play an important regulatory role within cells, Phelps said.
I'll admit that when it was announced, I was skeptical of the utility of the Cancer Genome Anatomy Project. I still am, actually. Basically, it's one massive fishing expedition. Not that fishing expeditions are bad in science; in fact we don't fund enough of them. The problem comes when it's a fishing expedition that costs $12 billion; then weighing the benefits of the potential discoveries versus the costs becomes key. However, as the years have gone by, I've become less skeptical, although I can't say that I've exactly embraced it. This study leads me to consider that perhaps I was wrong in my original assessment. Also, having seen some of the truly idiotic criticisms of the CGAP doesn't help to keep me hostile.
More interesting than whether I screwed up five years ago when I first heard of this project, these sorts of rearrangements have long been appreciated as being important in leukemias and lymphomas, but in solid tumors they had not--until relatively recently. One thing that is important to keep in mind is that these scientists focused on aggressive, advanced pancreatic cancer. Consequently, they were selecting for most "messed up" genomes. As more and more cancer genomes are sequenced, scientists will be able to make comparisons between aggressive and indolent tumors. It is possible that one day doctors will be able to sequence a patient's tumor and use what is learned from this to tell whether the tumor is aggressive or not--or potentially whether it even needs treatment or not. I've written extensively about the problem of overtreatment and even about spontaneous regression. Wouldn't it be great if we could identify patterns of rearrangements and mutations (or lack thereof) that are associated with slow growing, indolent tumors compared to patterns associated with fast-growing, deadly tumors like the one that killed my mother-in-law, and then be able to use that information to target therapy or to decide that a cancer patient can be safely treated with watchful waiting? Until the last few years, we really didn't have the technology and computing power to make such a dream a possibility, but now we do.
So why haven't we cured cancer, anyway?
I close with the same question with which I opened. Why haven't we cured cancer yet, anyway? Yes, I know it's a bit of a misleading question, given that we can actually cure quite a few cancers, including several leukemias and lymphomas, which are curable with chemotherapy and radiation, and solid tumors like breast and colorectal cancer which are curable with a combination of surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation. Unfortunately, although we do fairly well (and in some cases very well) against early stage cancer, we don't do so well against stage IV metastatic disease, particularly solid tumors. The vast majority of these are not curable, and, very likely, the vast majority are much like the prostate cancer specimens studied by these researchers, full of chromosomal rearrangements and mutations leading to abnormalities in many different signaling pathways.
Last year, the tenth anniversary of the announcement of the results of the Human Genome Project provoked a veritable flood of "Why haven't we cured cancer yet?" or "Why haven't we cured this disease yet?" For example, Nicholas Wade wrote a painfully simplistic article last June entitled A Decade Later, Genetic Map Yields Few New Cures. It's an article I lambasted for its simple-mindedness. Meanwhile, Dr. David Katz tried to appropriate the disappointment some felt that the HGP hadn't yielded an unending stream of cures and diagnostic tests to argue for his favored "complementary and alternative" medicine belief that there is no such thing as genetic determinism in disease.
Let's put it this way: The technology, techniques, and knowledge developed during the Human Genome Project laid the groundwork that has made it possible to sequence the entire genome of prostate cancer tumors and compare them this way. Come to think of it, I'm really dreading December 23, 2011. That will mark the 40th anniversary of Richard Nixon's signing of the National Cancer Act of 1971. I just know that the month of December will be filled with stories lamenting, "Why haven't we cured cancer yet?" or proclaiming the "war on cancer" to have been a failure. Some will be from the mainstream media, and even more will come from places like NaturalNews.com and Dr. Mercola's website. That's one prediction you don't have to be a psychic to make. I also predict a whole bunch of articles and blog posts trying to claim that we'd be able to cure cancer "if only," as in "if only" we'd be less "conservative" in our research approach (whatever that means and never mind that there are lots of high-risk approaches, and the ones that work only appear obvious in hindsight); "if only" we'd educate our kids in science better; "if only" we'd get rid of the FDA (yes, this guy was serious, as neuron-apoptosingly stupid as his argument was), or "if only" doctors didn't make so much money treating cancer with drugs and wouldn't make any money treating it with "natural" therapies.
In preparation for this landmark event, I'll begin with a pre-emptive answer (which I'll no doubt have to repeat in December). Why haven't scientists cured cancer yet? Leaving aside the trite answer of "Which cancer?" I can say this: Because it's hard. It's very, very hard. It's harder than going to the moon; it's harder than building the nuclear bomb; it's harder than wiping out smallpox. All of those were, of course, also very, very hard too, but cancer is a harder nut to crack still. It's hundreds, perhaps thousands, of diseases. Each type of cancer can be many, even dozens, of different diseases in itself. Each tumor can be many diseases that are constantly evolving, both in response to the environment in which the cancer cells grow and to treatments that are thrown at them.
And most cancer cell genomes probably look like the prostate cancer genomes analyzed in this paper. There's a less thorough study that suggests that the breast cancer genome does.
Does that mean I have no hope? Of course not! Otherwise, I wouldn't keep doing what I'm doing. I am simply expressing humility in the face of a protean foe that has thus far withstood our best efforts to eradicate it. That does not mean that it will continue to do so. After all, never before have we had the tools that we have now to probe deeply into the biology of cancer at the whole genome level as we do today.
Still, it will be hard.
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Taken from another one of Orac's similar blogs:
How many times have you heard "alternative medicine" believers and promoters brag that this nostrum or that potion "boosts the immune system"? As we've said before here, it's a meaningless claim, because sometimes boosting the immune system is bad, as in autoimmune diseases. In cancer, it's long been known that inflammation, particularly chronic inflammation, can lead to cancer. One of the most classic examples of this phenomenon is how gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) can lead to inflammation in the lower esophagus, which can lead to a change in the cells there known as Barrett's esophagus, which can ultimately lead to esophageal cancer. Inflammation is a function of the immune system; consequently, when you take anti-inflammatories, you are suppressing part of the immune system on purpose in order to decrease inflammation. In any case, Dr. Coussens discussed how activation of certain parts of the immune system can suppress cancer development, while activation of other parts can promote tumor progression. This slide, taken on my iPhone, demonstrates the concept:
Dr. Balmain echoed this message but came at it from a different angle, namely from the complexity of changes in gene expression in cancer, and how a highly complex interaction between inflammation, stromal cells, the immune response, metabolism, and changes in gene expression in a tissue, specifically skin, can influence susceptibility to cancer. One of the big disappointments in cancer research is that relatively few cancers have easily identifiable genes driving them, even though many tumors have a strong heritable component. The reason may well be due to the inheritance of multiple susceptibility genes of low penetrance, meaning that they don't individually have a strong effect on the characteristics of a cell. Cancer actually involves changes in the expression levels of hundreds, if not thousands, of different genes. In fact, the way we now look at cancer is through network analysis of the levels of thousands of genes in the cell. We've gone from looking at single genes to looking at thousands upon thousands of genes. As Dr. Balmain concluded, cancer susceptibility and progression depend upon the emergent properties of many genes, each of which individually has a small effect, and these genetic variants affect the tumor cell, the microenvironment surrounding the tumor cell, or both. Moreover, depending upon the tumor type and situation, inflammatory networks can play opposite roles, either promoting or inhibiting tumor susceptibility and progression.
Is that complicated enough for you yet?
Then let's move on beyond this talk. On Friday, a bunch of us on our floor on the cancer institute got together to discuss interesting stuff we saw and learned at AACR this year. One topic that came up is the Cancer Genome Atlas, or TCGA (you gene geeks out there may find the initials amusing, but they explain why the word "the" was included). The idea behind the project is to sequence the genomes of many, many cancers. You might wonder why it's necessary to sequence so many cancer genomes, and it's not an unreasonable question. The reason is that so many cancers are driven by different mutations that it's unlikely that any two tumors have the same set of mutations driving them. Consequently, TCGA seeks to sequence at least 500 cancers for each cancer type studied. It started with a pilot project and has since been expanded to 20 different tumors. By sequencing lots and lots of tumors, or so the idea goes, we can identify commonly occurring mutations and sets of mutated genes, perhaps even across cancers, that can be targeted for therapy. At the very least, it is thought that we will be able to develop a greater understanding of the complexity of cancer.
I must admit that when I first heard of TCGA, I was skeptical. To me, it struck me as perhaps the largest fishing expedition in the history of cancer research. Moreover, even this massive undertaking is only part of the picture. As I alluded to earlier, the metabolism of cancer cells is often hugely abnormal, and a "chicken or the egg" argument continues to some extent even now about whether it is the metabolic abnormalities that drive mutations or the mutations that produce metabolic abnormalities. More likely, it's a little of both, the exact proportion of which depending upon the tumor cell. None of this even considers influences outside of the genome (epigenetic influences) or differences in how proteins are made. Part of our discussion also pointed out that so many mutations have been associated with cancer and that they are often so different in different tumors, even from the same tissue, that trying to figure out which mutations found in TCGA are even relevant to cancer and which ones are actually driving the development, progression, and spread of cancer will be a daunting task, every bit as challenging as the Manhattan Project or sending a man to the moon in less than a decade. In fact, when you consider how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly complicated cancer is, it's amazing that we do as well as we do now and that we've made as much progress as we have, arguments over whether we are too conservative or whether pursuing riskier research strategies will bear fruit faster notwithstanding.
Compare this to the view of many practitioners of unscientific medicine. My favorite example of a vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly simple pseudo-explanation for cancer is that of the late Hulda Clark, who claimed to be able to cure all cancers (not just all cancers, but all disease) but who died of multiple myeloma herself. Her idea was that all cancer is caused by a liver fluke, which she would claim to be able to kill (and thus cure the cancer) with device she called her "Zapper," a cheap little electrical gadget that looked as though it were assembled from spare parts at Radio Shack.
Another quack, Nicholas Gonzalez, claims that all cancer is due to a deficiency in pancreatic enzymes, for which he prescribes pancreatic enzyme replacement, up to 150 supplement pills a day, a "nutritional" regimen consisting of various vegetable and fruit juices , and a "detoxification" regimen including coffee enemas. He made a name for himself with a cherry-picked case series of his own patients that appeared to have survived pancreatic cancer far longer than is generally anticipated based on historical controls. This lead to a highly unethical clinical trial that ultimately showed that Gonzalez's patients did considerably worse than conventional therapy, as poor as conventional science-based therapy does against pancreatic cancer.
These are not the only ones, of course. Still another quack, Robert O. Young, ascribes all cancer to "acidity" in the blood, and his treatment is always diet and bicarbonate to try to "alkalinize" the blood:
Young even goes so far as to describe cancer as a "poisonous acidic liquid," states that "there is no such thing as a cancer cell" and that cancer cells are cells that have been "spoiled by acid." To him, the tumor is the "body's protective mechanism to encapsulate spoiled or poisoned cells from excess acid that has not been properly eliminated through urination, perspiration, defecation or respiration." Young's ideas have sucked in unwitting cancer patients, including one named Kim Tinkham, who even appeared on Oprah's show a couple of years ago. (In addition, Young also doesn't believe that sepsis is caused by bacterial infection.) On a related note, another quack named Tullio Simoncini espouses a variant of Robert Young's ideas in that he believes that all cancer is a fungus. The similarity is that he prescribes "alkalinization" for the fungus, some of which can involve injecting sodium bicarbonate directly into tumors.
If there's one difference between science-based medicine and quackery when it comes to cancer, it's that science-based medicine appreciates the sheer complexity of tumors, while quacks often go for risibly simplistic pseudo-explanations of cancer. The complexity of cancer as a set of related diseases is incredible. Indeed, one has to respect it and even stand in awe at its ability to grow, evolve, and ultimately develop resistance to almost any treatment we can come up with. That's not to say that the situation is hopeless, but it is an explanation as to why, nearly 40 years after Nixon's war on cancer commenced, our progress against this foe has been incremental. Despite this record, I remain nonetheless optimistic and expect this situation to change within my lifetime. The reason is that we are finally developing the tools, both scientific and technological, along with the computational power to analyze the data, that hold out hope of an understanding of different cancers deep enough to make real progress in reducing the incidence, morbidity, and mortality from cancer. This isn't any comfort to patients suffering from cancer now or to those who have (as I have) lost loved ones to cancer, but it does give me hope that, should I be one of the unlucky ones who develop cancer, my chances of survival will be better than at any time in history.
No quack can even come close to giving me that sort of hope.
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Black-cat, thank you. I'm in awe of the work you put into this.
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Haven't had a chance to read and digest yet, but this looks very very interesting and understandble. Thanks so much for the pointer.
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There has been research done on the effects of Delta9 THC on Breast cancer that shown it STOPS the Cancer. Why is this not front page news and being activly researched in every Cancer center in the World? because Delta 9 THC is the active ingrediant in Marijuana. They would prefer you spend thousands and endure the agony of chemo and radiation than risk removal of federal funding by daring to use the one drug proven to STOP the progression of Breast Cancer.
Medical Marijuana Stops Spread of Breast Cancer - NBC NEWS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNerRVJklsgMarijuana Compound May Stop Breast Cancer From Spreading, Study ...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312132,00.htmlMarijuana Compound Halts Breast Cancer Tumor Growth
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=8289Cannabis Compound May Stop Metastatic Breast Cancer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/19/AR2007111900834.htmlThere are many more, just Google "Marijuana breast cancer"
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Dude, where's my car?
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Thank you black-cat for your voice of scientific understanding and reason. Alternative is great, quackery is deplorable. We need to understand the correct science to chose reasonable treatments.
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Medicinal Food Meets Epigenetics
As one of the editors of the Journal of Medicinal Food, Dr. Robert Nagourney, Medical Director at Rational Therapeutics, Inc., in Long Beach, California and an instructor of Pharmacology at the University of California, Irvine School of Medicine, he was asked to review an article on the chemical activities of grape seed extracts. He wrote an editorial describing the interesting findings in this study and their biological relevance.
For many years, naturopaths and health-conscious individuals have recommended the consumption of grape seed extracts. Chemical analyses of grape seeds have provided a treasure trove of active ingredients including resveratrol, anthocyanins, pro-anthocyanins, and numerous terpenes. Many of these substances are potent antioxidants and there is reason to believe that they may have meaningful health benefits.
The most interesting aspect of this well-conducted analysis was the description of a wholly new mechanism of action for the substances found in grape seeds. What the authors found was that the chemical species in grape seed extracts influence gene expression through a process knows as histone acetylation. What makes this so interesting is the fact the histone acetylation is one of the fundamental regulators of genetic expression and a critical part of the new field of science known as epigenetics.
Epigenetics is the field of study that examines heritable attributes that are not incorporated into DNA sequence. These epi-phenomena take existing genes and determine whether or not they will actually be expressed. The reason that this is so important is that it shines a very bright light on the limitations of genomic analyses (studies that examine the DNA sequence in tissues). Clearly, if the consumption of foodstuffs (like grape seed) can alter gene expression then the use of genomic profiles to predict cellular behavior can only be viewed as highly simplistic.
Dr. Nagourney is continually impressed by the complexity of biology and is humbled when we consider the intersecting pathways that take us from gene to function.
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Very interesting.
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Thanks, black cat, great article. Answer to the question you started with: getting to the moon is easier than curing cancer.
Thanks again for posting this.
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And to answer the next question Mythbusters proved that we landed on the moon. Look it up if you don't believe me.
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Deleted as I mistook the meaning.
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Joy, you either did not read or did not understand the next paragraph which is:
Unfortunately, although we do fairly well (and in some cases very well) against early stage cancer, we don't do so well against stage IV metastatic disease, particularly solid tumors. The vast majority of these are not curable, and, very likely, the vast majority are much like the prostate cancer specimens studied by these researchers, full of chromosomal rearrangements and mutations leading to abnormalities in many different signaling pathways.
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I'll let my uncle know too, doctors can cure his Leukemia
Orac wrote several leukemias and lymphomas are curable and he is 100% accurate in that statement. The operative word being several not all which you obviously misunderstood and grossly represented. All leukemia's aren't curable but several are including HCL and AML.
My older brother had a really nasty AML 20 years ago and the combination of chemo and a bone marrow transplant saved his life. He is cured and leads a very active and healthy life today. He is a body builder, a swimmer and a competitive skier.
But I would not be so irresponsible as to say that if my brother was cured than all people with leukemia will be cured.
You see that would be comitting the critical thinking fallacy of small sample which is otherwise known as hasty generalizations. I do seem to see a great deal of this in the alternative section.
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You're right Black cat and I stand corrected, I didn't finish reading at that point as I find Orac hard to digest. I find Orac to be biased and very rude so tend regrettably to be biased against him in turn though I try hard to be open minded in all subjects. Some people just rub me the wrong way.
I believe that the majority of people with Leukemia have the type that can't be cured and for some children they are cured but at a huge cost to their health. As my uncle is elderly we are hoping his CLL will be slow growing so he never gets to the treatment phase. Some of my favourite people have leukemia in one form or another and I'm having a hard time accepting this.
ETA - Ugh, I just got the news that my aunt-in-law in her late 80's has had a mastectomy a few days ago. I don't know the details yet. Her only child died from esophageal cancer when his boys were young. Our families have been close over the years. No wonder cancer is such a hot issue. When will it end.
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Thanks for posting .
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Gregory, thank you so much for your post to which i have been referring on many threads. Would you mind copying it on the Complementary and Alternative Approaches and Holitic Healing threads. God bless
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Blackcat - I love Orac - he talks so much sense. Thank goodness we have someone who keeps watch on dodgy treatments
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susieq, stop tailing me
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Black-cat: thank you for this detailed scientific information on cancer. You must be a researcher: you really know what you are talking about.
When you wrote:
"......Wouldn't it be great if we could identify patterns of rearrangements and mutations (or lack thereof) that are associated with slow growing, indolent tumors compared to patterns associated with fast-growing, deadly tumors like the one that killed my mother-in-law, and then be able to use that information to target therapy or to decide that a cancer patient can be safely treated with watchful waiting?...."
I can only agree: that's what I have been wishing for ever since I was diagnosed in 2006: much more targeted therapies, that would allow us to avoid needless and dangerous overtreatment.
You also wrote:
"......Unfortunately, although we do fairly well (and in some cases very well) against early stage cancer....."
I wished I could agree with that statement as well. However, I would lean more towards what another brilliant scientist has to say on that subject:
".....With overdiagnosis, we often end up ‘curing' cancers that didn't need to be cured in the first place," said Dr. Barry Kramer, director of the NIH Office of Disease Prevention and an expert on cancer screening......
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Yazmin, i understood these posts to be cut and paste from a blogger, orac
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Quack?..Hmmmm...What if I was to tell you I WILL cure cancer right in front of your eyes so you can monitor the progress and I WILL NOT use any of the allopathic medications hence NO side effects whatsoever.Period.Dare to accept the challenge?
Kumar
Ps:Wont take terminally ill.
The patient bears the cost of medication(peanuts compared to the system here)
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<sigh>
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<double sigh>
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Whoa! that's a hefty chunk of copy and paste -- OP and first page are 10.5 pages in my print preview. I've no objection to the content of the article, but wouldn't it be better to just quote one or two paragraphs and then link to the source.
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Hey I'm a duck. I'll say quack if I want ...AND...I have pretty good insurance so I bet your "cure" will cost me a lot more than I paid for traditional medicine.
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Interesting first post by a new poster
how many <sighs> are we up to????
eta: BTW a google search on Kumar/"cancer cure" will help you smile too....
when are the Moderators going to institute the rule of only ONE SCREEN name per ISP/email.
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O.M.G. that was a lot to read. Interesting study of esophageal cancer .. my dad died of this two years ago. It is so often misdiagnosed and not discovered until it is too late for treatment.
Bren
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triple sigh.... the one post poster without a profile and a different name.. they come along like every 3 days. ..
won't take the terminally ill? how apt.
"Eternity wrote:
Quack?..Hmmmm...What if I was to tell you I WILL cure cancer right in front of your eyes so you can monitor the progress and I WILL NOT use any of the allopathic medications hence NO side effects whatsoever.Period.Dare to accept the challenge?
Kumar
Ps:Wont take terminally ill.
The patient bears the cost of medication(peanuts compared to the system here) "
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The patient bears the cost.
That's for sure
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I ran across this very interesting piece at Science Daily that I thought might fit in here, 'Are cancers newly evolved species?'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110726163519.htm
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Yazmin,
Thanks for the link to the article. It's a good find and makes a good discussion. Yes, it is common knowledge that some cancers including breast cancer are overdiagnosed. Orac concurs with Dr. Kamer's statement and has blogged extensively about it. Here are some links:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/07/overdiagnosis_of_breast_cancer_due_to_ma.php
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/06/cancer_overdiagnosis_and_overtreatment.php
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/12/the_spontaneous_regression_of_breast_can.php
Overdiagnosis and over treatment of breast cancer pertains more to the first quote from Orac that you posted than the latter:
"......Wouldn't it be great if we could identify patterns of rearrangements and mutations (or lack thereof) that are associated with slow growing, indolent tumors compared to patterns associated with fast-growing, deadly tumors like the one that killed my mother-in-law, and then be able to use that information to target therapy or to decide that a cancer patient can be safely treated with watchful waiting?...."
This quote taken from the article that you posted the link to echos Orac's statement:
Researchers agree that one solution to the problem of breast cancer overdiagnosis may ultimately emerge from advances in molecular medicine that will enable doctors to distinguish mammography-detected tumors likely to progress from those unlikely to do so.
"If we can identify tumors that are not destined to become a problem, we can avoid treating patients unnecessarily," said Dr. Sudhir Srivastava, chief of NCI's Cancer Biomarkers Research Group. "And differentiating progressive and nonprogressive tumors on the basis of molecular features is currently an active area of research within the NCI-supported Early Detection Research Network," he explained.
Researches still have not broken the molecular code to differentiate which cancers are going to be sluggish and do not need aggressive treatment from which are going to rapidly proliferate.
It's certainly not a crap shoot as hormonal, Her 2, and BRAC status are all good diagnostic tools used to help choose what treatment pathway is the best for the patient. Younger premenopausal women seem to have more aggresive growing breast cancers than do older postmenopausal women.
Most early stage tumors are cured by surgery but not all. The problem lies within figuring out who may fall on the wrong side of the statistics. There is no cookie cutter or one size fits all approach. It's irresponsibe to state that no stage one patient needs chemo or on the flip side every stage one patient should have chemo. It's the job of the oncologist and each patient to come up with the best individuallized treatment plan possible based on the knowledge that we do have today.
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