April 2011 chemo

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    What a day I had yesterday! Uggh. It was my third TDM1 treatment, which is supposed to be a speedy 30 minute infusion that was scheduled at 12:45. I thought I'd be out of there by 1:30 and home by 2:30 or so. Ha ha ha, was I ever wrong!

    First of all, my oncologist was running an hour late. No big deal, my husband and I took a walk (in the 100 degree heat) and had a nice talk. Then we went back to the waiting room, when the trial nurse walks by. "Hey! Great echo numbers last week!" she says. I look at her. "Huh? I didn't get an echocardiogram last week, what are you talking about?"

    Then it hits me. "Um, wait! Oh my gosh, oops! I was supposed to get an echo last week and I forgot!" Turns out she was looking at two-month-old results and thinking they were current. I had totally missed an echo test last week, despite actually being there at the center that day for a blood test. Talk about chemo brain!

    The nurse tells me I can't get treatment #3 without a new echo, so they call over to cardiology and squeeze me in for a 3:00. I do the test, pass with flying colors (yay!), but now I have to wait for the results to get to the infusion center.

    I finally start my infusion at 5:00. When it's done, the nurse comes in to unhook me and says "Hey, what's that big red rash on your chest?" And sure enough, my chest is bright red like a lobster and I am feeling really lousy. So she makes lots of phone calls, decides I am having an allergic reaction to the TDM1, and finally gives me 12.5 miligrams of Benadryl, a drug I have never had before.

    Oh...my...gosh. Within minutes I am totally slurring my speech, and when I go to get something out of my purse on my lap, my hands won't move. My head falls back, my mouth falls open, and my tongue is lolling out. It is like being on anaesthesia. I am now so totally drugged, slurring, and out of it that they leave me to sleep it off for an hour, and finally they have to bring a wheelchair to get me to the car so my husband can drive me home. The two of them can barely lift the inert dead weight of my body from the chemo chair into the wheelchair. I finally stumbled from the car into my house at 9:00 PM, barely even able to speak. 

    This morning I woke up so hungover I could hardly walk or dress myself, and I have not been able to drive or "operate heavy machinery" all day.

    So what's the deal? Has anyone else had this reaction to Benadryl? It can't be a standard response, since even my nurse was weirded out, saying that was the lowest dose she ever gives and it shouldn't have had that effect on me.

    I want them to put it in my chart to NEVER give me Benadryl again. Yikes!

  • artiecat
    artiecat Member Posts: 257
    edited July 2011

    Benadryl is HORRIBLE!!!!  I had it the first infusion and was stoned for about two weeks.  Then, last infusion I had a reaction and they pumped me full of it again.  I was stoned again.  It is the worst!!!!! Sorry you had to experience it too!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    So is it the same if you take it as a pill? People take it all the time and I never heard of them having anything like this!

    Articat: Do you know what dose they gave you? And by stoned, was it like I described, unable to use your hands or speak clearly?

  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited July 2011

    Windlass you sure are having your obstacles. I wonder what it all means. Hugs to you my dear, as if this isn't hard enough all ready right?

  • determined3
    determined3 Member Posts: 128
    edited July 2011

    windlass, i can't remember how much benadryl they gave me with my first taxol, but i  aksed them to decrease the dose b/c i was feeling just how you were feeling. that s**t is freaky. i trusted them (docs/nurses) and would not have thought to ask them to decrease the dosage until i learned it was possible (after reading a post from one of these forums on bco). anyway, with the full dosage of whatever that gave me, i was out of it for like 2 days or so.....most def that first day.

    with the new dosage,  i am able to function a bit after tx. i like that much better. i do still get sleepy during tx, but it wears off a few hours later. i did ask them to lower it again since it was obvious that i do not have a reaction and they said that i got the lowest dose possible and they could not lower it any more.......

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    It's so funny - I would hear you gals getting Taxol complaining about Benadryl, and I would think, yuck, that must be unpleasant, like Dramamine drowsiness. I am learning fast!

    Merilee: You're out there leading the pack. Are you totally done with chemo?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Here's something fun we can contribute to -- Greeting cards for breast cancer!

    It's a great idea, and the lady creating them needs ideas.  Chime in!

    Big Bad Cancer Cards

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/7/topic/771980?page=1

  • artiecat
    artiecat Member Posts: 257
    edited July 2011

    windlass, the first time I basically careened from my bed to a chair to the sofa and back around again in a dizzy fog.  Speech was slurred according to my children.  Dont remember difficulty specifically related to using hands...just byproduct of the dizziness and sleepiness.  Dont know what the dose was.

    I have taken motrin pm some during my chemo process which has benadryl.  Helps me sleep and deal with the tingling in fee at night.  Prior to this, I have never taken even cold pills because they send me on a trip!  Now I know why!  It must be the denadryl.

    Hang in there!

  • geocachelinda
    geocachelinda Member Posts: 223
    edited July 2011

    I was having a brief moment of missing my boob, but if I had to have the surgery again, I would of had them both taken off!  I hate this uneven look.  I was having some self indulging because of the heat and slept with nothing on but my underwear.  No shirt on.  I rarely do that because I have dreams of being caught topless in public!  Ha!  It was nice just laying there in the cool air and enjoying being in my own skin for once!

  • geocachelinda
    geocachelinda Member Posts: 223
    edited July 2011

    @Windlass, when I had the Benedryl I was awake but could not keep my eyes open!  Felt like coming out of anesthesia!

  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited July 2011

    Yes Windlass, I am done with chemo and am heading to radiation starting Monday.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Merilee: Then you can be our advance scout. Go bravely and report back!

  • Sudzinvermont
    Sudzinvermont Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2011

    Holy cow Windlass...that sounds like some ordeal with the Benedryl.

    Linda I'm with you on the uneven thing. I love my foob, but when I'm not wearing it I hate the uneven thing. If I had the decision to make over again I'd have them both off.

    Articat your posts always make me smile, and usually make me laugh right out loud. You are such a gift.

    Merilee...thanks for blazing the trail for us. I'm off to radiation after one more chemo....and you have the best way of comunicating information in a understandable way.

    I hope you are all handling the heat.

    much love to you all.

    sue

  • profbee
    profbee Member Posts: 858
    edited July 2011

    Hey gals.

    I've decided to do the bilateral, so I'm encouraged by you both saying you would have if you had it to do over again.  Not that I want you to wish you did something different!  

    Benadryl--the first time I was slurring so badly and had to go to the bathroom--someone had to walk me there.  The next 2 times, I just ZONKED out for the whole treatment.  I've had it reduced to the lowest they will do (I just asked and they said yes), and still, practically the MINUTE it starts, I'm out asleep.  It's much better with the lower dose, but it still knocks me out.  My nurse said that Benadryl is referred to as nurse's sleeping pills.  LOL.  I never had a "reaction" though.  

     I also asked if I really needed my steroid because I hadn't had any reaction and I was having an impossible time sleeping when I came home from the Taxol.  Sure!  So, I don't get that at all anymore.  It's just the low dose of Benadryl, Pepcid, and then the Taxol.

    But hey...that was until today---today was my last dose--sixteen DONE!  I wish I could celebrate, but I just feel like I'm careening toward my surgery at the end of next month.   

  • pawprintgirl24
    pawprintgirl24 Member Posts: 173
    edited July 2011

    WOW!! alot has happened since i have been on here! i had to leave work early today because i could not slep last night and felt like the walking dead! i try not to take anything to sleep but then when i don't i can't sleep! Its the hot flashes!i only have 1 more treatment next tuesday for my big chemo.my onc told me when i started that i would just get more tired as it went by and she was right! i felt great yesterday and i think i over did it.i spend most of my time being ticked off since i fell so weak all the time.

    the whole sex thing....i just wish i had the energy for it!!! i was quiet pissed off when i first read about all these changes that were to come our way! i was like i am way to young! i enjoyed that part of our life before and now it is too much like work!my onc said that it should get better when the chemo is behind us. which will be in like 25 days start to finish the cycle!i just want my life back!!!!thanks for always listening gals!i sit here and read how everyone is doing and know that all of you understand what i am going through when our family and freinds don't...

    hang in there ladies! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Profbee: I agree with everyone else that the uneven thing is weird. I pretty much ignore the remaining breast, rather than appreciating that it's still there. And I was envying what Merilee said about going braless and flat. I would really love to be able to do that, but I am married to this silly foob. I've actually forgotten to wear it a few times out in public and been pretty embarrassed to realize I must have looked weird to people who pay attention. I am a B-cup, so there's not a whole lot of difference, but it's enough to notice.

    Linda: Your description of Benadryl is spot on -- awake and paralyzed. I felt like a coma patient - I could hear and understand everything happening around me, but I couldn't move my body. Totally creepy.

    Pawprint: Hang in there, you're coming down the home stretch!

  • RangerMom
    RangerMom Member Posts: 604
    edited July 2011

    I tried to cut and paste but didnt work. Go to the Forum: Surgery - Before, During, and After. >Topic: Shopping/Packing/To-Do list for Surgery and Recovery. Sometimes you can find it right away in the Active Topics but once I found it I saved it as a favorite. Lots of good info there about before and after surgery, what to expect, etc.  Thanks Merilee for the info too. 

  • artiecat
    artiecat Member Posts: 257
    edited July 2011

    CONGRATS Profbee!!!!!!

    I am happily exhausted.  The veteran's team at my agency had a lunch today and invited me!  We all wore Hawaiian shirrts and received leis and the menu was (sort of) Hawaiian.  It was great!  One of the guys kissed the top of my fuzzy head and said now he knows how women feel when kissing a hairy guy!  It was great!  So many hugs and much love.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    Wow, Profbee and Merilee - super congratulations! Is anyone else done or finishing chemo this week? (Sorry if you've already told us - my brain struggles to retain things lately.)

    And before people begin to disperse (*cry*), I have a crazy idea...  What if we planned an actual physical get-together - like a cruise or a retreat or rented a cabin somewhere?

    I feel like you gals are my sisterhood now since we've been bonded by fire. This must be what guys mean about the bond between soldiers who've seen combat together.  We've all been through a war, and we've each done it mostly alone except for the friendships here.

    Thoughts?

  • artiecat
    artiecat Member Posts: 257
    edited July 2011

    I have my last infusion on this coming Wednesday!!!!!  TAC #6!

    Okay - a new SE - my toes are peeling!

  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited July 2011

    Artie cat I used a hand wax machine, and it helped.

    Windlass a celebration of all of our health  in person sounds like and awesome Idea. Something inspiring to keep in our minds, as we all reach the bright side  of the path.

  • profbee
    profbee Member Posts: 858
    edited July 2011

    Windlass, we're all sticking around...no worries!  I got another whole round of chemo starting after my surgery (and surgery will determine if I'm doing rads too).  

    It was nice and cool this morning, but now the sun is out and I think it's going to heat up FAST!  arrgh.  I'm itching for some sort of project, but I really need to clean my messy house--that's no fun.  :)  

    My oozing gross fingernails and toenails are totally grossing me out.  YUCK!

  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited July 2011

    I forgot, I also had some old white cotton gloves I used. I would lather up my hands, put on the gloves and then my garden gloves. Then when came in my hands had been moisturized nicely.

    Forget the house work, that will be there later. Find a way to enjoy yourself, you deserve it!

  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited July 2011
  • pawprintgirl24
    pawprintgirl24 Member Posts: 173
    edited July 2011

    profbee i have had my nails polished this whole time cause i read somewhere that that would help from them coming off...well...i just took off the polish and my nails are white and coming off!! i was hoping to get away with it but i guess not..urrr!!is there anything that i can do to help?? or just watch and wait for them to come off??

    i go tuesday for my #6 of 6!!

  • pawprintgirl24
    pawprintgirl24 Member Posts: 173
    edited July 2011
    love the kitten!Smile
  • profbee
    profbee Member Posts: 858
    edited July 2011

    You can soak them in water and vinegar.  Mine are still all ON, but GROSS.  I didn't polish them at all during this thinking when I'd have to remove it, it would take off the top layers and damage the nails.  I just don't think you can win.  Yesterday I put some hydrogen peroxide on a cotton ball and dripped it into my nails...it fizzed up a bit.  I just felt like that stinky oozing has got to be unhealthy.  You should definitely cut them as short as you can.  I used a cuticle scissor and cut them really short.  One nail was turning purple and really hurt from the pressure building up under there, when I cut it short it was able to ooze out--and although it's stinky and gross, it stopped hurting.  

    I asked the nurse when I was there yesterday.  She said it'll get worse this week and then since I stop my chemo meds next week it will level off, but it will take months for the nails to grow out.  fun.   

  • determined3
    determined3 Member Posts: 128
    edited July 2011

    pawprint and profbee: which tx are you on....? i am wondering about the nail damage? is it from taxol? are you guys on weekly or every two weeks. i am soooooo not looking forward to that drama.....grrrr. also, when does it start happening? when does tne neuropathy (sp? start).....

    hello everyone!

  • pawprintgirl24
    pawprintgirl24 Member Posts: 173
    edited July 2011

    i am on tch.i have taxatere,carboplatian,and herceptin every 3 weeks and the herceptin every week for now

    mine started lifting from the top of the nail not at the cuticle. i cut them as short as i could even the ones that haven't started lifting. i just hope i can work!!!little hairs already get under my nails as it is!!one is halfway down my nail already! just made me sick to my stomach!!

     and i had to take my wedding ring off today because of the weight/swelling!! that one really ticked me off!!!it was cutting into my finger. had to soap it up really good before it would come off!! UGH!!!!

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