I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited July 2011

    Oh Athena, I do have empathy over your hideous weather.  And my empathy comes from familiarity rather than abstract awareness.   I grew up in DC (mostly without air conditioning) and went to college there.  Growing up, I had no idea that summer was supposed to be a pleasant happy time--that was some silly story in books.   After college, I went and did the summer in Europe thing and then went straight to grad school in another part of the country.  So basically I missed two summers.  When I finally came back, I still remember stepping off the plane and thinking ala scarlet o'hara  As god is my witness, I will never live in this miserable swamp again!!!!

    And I haven't.

    It is only in the 70s here and today--at least for now is overcast---but I will take 70s and a sweater (even in the depths of summer) over DC summer AnyDay.

    My rant for the day is related to public transport.  With all the budget cuts they are threatening to cut our metro and buses serive by 20%.  The alternative is to charge everyone ---riders and non-riders--a one time $20 on their property taxes or what have you.  I am floored by the number of people who don't take the bus and are indignant at the idea that they might pay the $20.  Don't they get that all those people on the buses will have to get to work and school somehow and that means CARS?????  My train this morning was standing room only....thats one train...imagine that train is missing.  Now there are 100+ more cars between where people are living and downtown.   My morning bus (highly like to be cut as service on that route has already been  cut by 25%) has 100 people on it.  100 more cars on the road from that bus.........

    grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited July 2011

    Bren, it is a small outdoor venue, which I think will be better than being crammed indoors.  It starts at 7:00 so the sun will be cooler but still ablazing.  Alan Jackson is the headliner with Big & Rich, Gretchen Wilson and Cowboy Troy.  I am hoping Troy will be first up as I don't mind waiting in the shade for him to finish.  The temp is suppose to be close to 40 that day.Tongue out

    I bet that is pretty cool for you though! 

  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited July 2011

    3monstmama-I live in the same area as you do, and I am very discouraged by the prevalent attitude here of I have mine, don't ask me to help you. I am so tired of Tim Eyeman and his initiatives. Everyone wants services but no one wants to help pay for them. 

    Mary 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    3monst - Some people think that a tax should only be paid if it hits them personally. I suppose we should have the US military only fight wars for certain states and not others, or highways should only be built for people who like them, so we can have extensions of dirt roads for anti-tax zealots. Sorry about your transportation problem. My condolences!

    I envy your weather, though. :-)

  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited July 2011

    I often wonder how many people that are hit with disasters here in the US that immediately start clamoring for federal help are the same ones who claim to believe in smaller government and that we should cut people off of medicare and medicaid. It's funny how important that help becomes when it applies to you.

    Mary 

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited July 2011

    YramAL

    yup...I hear you. And don't get me started on the new round about the stupid bridge and whether they can run the train on it......and it makes ZERO sense to me----do these people LIKE sitting in traffic?  Don't they like being able to see Rainier?  Do they realize that with more pollution, they will lose that precious view of the Cascades and Rainier etc?  That with more traffic they will not be able to enjoy their houses in the suburbs because it will be like LA with multi hour commutes?

    grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr whoops!  I got started!!!!!

    okay breathing deeply. . . .. . calming breathes. . . .

    I can only hope that I am sucessful in teaching my monsters that NO it is NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!!!! ---We share the planet and what you want is NOT more important than everyone else so that when they are grown up, the universe they live in will not be quite so selfish and self absorbed.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    I often wonder how many people that are hit with disasters here in the US that immediately start clamoring for federal help are the same ones who claim to believe in smaller government and that we should cut people off of medicare and medicaid

    I will take a stab at that...99 percent?

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited July 2011

    Mary -- probably a good many of them!

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2011

    Pip .. the concert sounds like so much fun!!  I'm not that into country music, but I love all the players at the concert!

    3monster ... My town is so small, we don't have any public transportation at all.  It takes 20 minutes to get anywhere and the closest city is an hour north of me.

    Bren

  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited July 2011

    I wish I could remember the state I saw a story on a couple of weeks back. It is running a surplus and it has just had some natural disasters. This state's governor has an anti-federal government stance. Someone was challenging the governor to put his money where his mouth is....to use his state's surplus to help his citizens and not ask the federal government to step in. I think it might have been North Dakota.

    Mary 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    3monst  -  LOVED your "scarlett o'hara" imitation!  I remember each of the almost 20 summers in DC, and laughing at our shared misery - it was BUILT ON A SWAMP!  I know it was a compromise, Philly, or NYC not possible - but jeez, a SWAMP.  One if my worst rants, was the days when I'd get off the metro at "my" stop, DuPont Circle, emerge into the 1,000 degrees, and 999% humidty to NO escalators - pant, pant, pant.  Not exercise, torture.

    Exept for bc, and a few other "oh, bother" things, I'm thankful to be in the tiniest cabin you can imagine, but still with 15 windows,2 doors, and it's so small the breeze goes right thru the place.  Probably won't be able to live in the 'boonies" as I get older, but sure grateful for it now. Wish I could share these cool breezes with all of you.  Stay safe, no tornadoes, and cool.

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited July 2011

    Athena, the question is how do you define what hits you personally.  Maybe you (generic you, not Athena you) never ever set foot on a bus.  But you benefit from me and all the other bus riders when you have less cars on the road and get home --- or to work-- faster.  I spent 18 years in LA--land of deminimus public transport.  I know what traffic hell is like, what it is like to take 2.5-3 hours to go cross town less than 20 miles on surface streets (and biking was not an opinion because we were transporting children from after school). 

    And as YramAL notes, based on the logic of it not benefiting me personally, why should my tax dollars go to help New Orleans or the people in Missouri or research into Triple Neg Breast Cancer---none of that impacts my life.

    Alas, I suspect it will have to hit them in the face for some people to get that "game traffic" is not a good thing when its day in, day out--

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited July 2011

    "The temp is suppose to be close to 40 that day."

    I love those Celcius temperatures!   BTW, did I mention that I have a UTI?  Fought it all weekend, but finally surrendered and went to the walk-in clinic yesterday.  First of 5 days of cipro today, and of course I'm feeling downright boggy.  :(

    No, I didn't think I'd mentioned it; but I do want to make everybody else feel okay about whining.

    otter

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    3monst- I am agreeing with you completely, hence the sarcasm about sections of unpaved highways - because that is where some of these people's thinking would logically follow. The same people, probably, who love cars, although that is speculation on my part. I always found my car to be a noose around my neck and am happy to be rid of it.

    I think Hurricane Katrina was my business as is any disaster anywhere in the country. Any American without access to healthcare is my business, as is any road, because in this country, we are free to travel anywhere around the land and settle anywhere. Therefore, it should always be our business. Schools, too, are my business even though I have no children.

    CS - Argghhhh - Don't talk to me about Dupont Circle. That is the metro closest to my house (that and Foggy Bottom). For everyone else reading this, the escalators at that station are almost never working completely and they are at least three storeys down if not more. During the summer you frequently have tourists who are unfamiliar with big cities and escalator etiquette, so they put their huge suitcases on the left side, thereby blocking the way for people who want to move up more quickly and get out of the stifling metro into the stifling streets.

    --Athena the Swampland Dweller - I should move to Botswana's Okavango delta and live with my fellow swamp lions.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    3 monst, I think you're going to have the greatest kids ( you already do, of course, but from your last line about what you want to teach them ;)

    I guess everybody knows the famous Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm's quote: "Service is the rent we pay for the privilege of living on this earth."

    I think it's time for somebody to come up with the perfect words for a variation on that theme: "Taxes are the rent we pay for citizenship and ( this part is a direct quote, anybody remember where they heard it) " a world that works for everyone."

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2011

    "Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society."  --the late Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2011

    YEAH HL

    THANK YOU.....I was sure there must be something out there ;-)))  

    eta:  why don't more politicians use that quote???

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2011

    Sunflowers .. I lived for two years in the most wonderful log cabin in the mountains of southern Utah.  It was by far my favorite home and I hated to give it up and return to "society."  I'm envious of your little cabin!

    Bren

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2011

    HAHAHAHA!  Because "tax" has been made into a dirty word, along with "government spending."  FWIW, I have always wondered where those who are against "government spending" actually think the money goes?  Do they think it evaporates into thin air?  Don't they wonder how the roads get there ... maybe they think the highway workers extrude them like bees extrude wax?  And who pays for the trucks of the highway workers?  And the tools?  And the salaries -- oh, but of course, they're overpaid and should work for free.  And where does the rebar and the cement come from?  Who makes those, along with the trucks and the tools and the clothing the highway workers wear?  Doesn't someone get paid to make all of those, and then don't they buy things with the money they make?  And the water treatment plants ... who builds them?  And where does the concrete and the equipment inside them come from?  And who made them?  And don't they use the money they make to buy things?  .... and so on ....

    Just wondering.

    L

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited July 2011
    HL -- You could write a book about it, but you couldn't force people to read itCry.
  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011

    And even if you could force them, it would probably be impossible to make them understand it.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited July 2011
    Lindasa, I'm sure there are books about it... but you're right -- people won't read them and won't believe them.  They'd rather believe that they should keep all "their" money while enjoying the benefits paid for by others.  It is, after all, all about them.  *SIGH*  Frown
  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited July 2011
  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited July 2011

    Athena,

    I remember the Foggy Bottom Metro well. Used to live there and worked at L'Enfant Plaza. Hated having to use the one at DuPont Circle.

    Good luck with doc visit.

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited July 2011

    Ok, did someone say Ranier...................................brings back memories to when I lived in Yakima...............I have pictures of my husband and I when we lived there.............he was in the Army, stationed at the Yakima Firing Center........................oh those were the happy days...........newly married, and not a care in the world............young and healthy 21 years old, and thought we would live forever.................who knew he would die at 57, and I wouldl end up the lonely widow.................thank God we had 6 children..........

    Sorry just going back.................Ranier...............my favorite spot..........many times I went there and also to White Pass................Snoqualmie (not sure of the spelling), but you are so lucky to be in the Pacific Northwest..............beautiful country............lucky you............

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited July 2011

    I think the Taxes quote from Holmes needs to be a bumper sticker...or maybe a tshirt....

    I remember the Foggy bottom metro---I was still living in DC when it was "born."

    ah yes, the DC swamp.  I was in high school with many a child of a World Bank or embassy parent.  It was said that the happiest people stationed in DC were those from equitorial countries. . . ..   ;-)

    duckyb1  you have motivated me.  I have lived in the PNW since fall 2007 and we still haven't gotten our fannies to Rainier.  Well not exactly true, DH has been with a meditation group.  But the monsters and I still have to go.  Right now we are swamped with sailing and baby regattas but when fall comes, I see hiking in our future!

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited July 2011

    3monstmama.........................magnificent is the only way to describe it....................Iloved the PNW...............We would go up to the mountains all the time, and just sit on a rock, and look from White Pass to Mt. Ranier......................I still get the "blues" when I hear or see anything about Washington State........................Those were some of the happiest times of my life...................my husband always said "one day we are going to go back".............just the way we did before....................we drove "cross country"..........................we never got to do that, he died way to soon.

    I can't even see a carton in the grocery store that says Washington State Apples, or now they say Ranier Cherries, or Bing Cherries from Yakima, Washington, without getting upset.............................guess I'm goofy................but it makes me sad, but happy that I got to see and live in su[ch a beautiful place..................your fortunate to have so much beauty around you, and just a car drive away.......................If you do go ...............blow a kiss to all the beauty for me................................hugs.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2011

    Okay ... it's 6:10 p.m. and the heat index is at 106 here.  I've had enough.  Guess I'll have to mow the fields in the middle of the night!

    Bren

  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited July 2011

    It's about 55 degrees here. 

    Wearing a sweatshirt and long pants. Bleh.

    Mary 

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited July 2011

    Bren, you don't need to mow, you need Goats!!  WinkSeriously we were in Portland last week and right there in the middle of the city on this big empty lot was a herd of goats whose sole purpose was to keep down the weeds. . . .

    . . . oh and when fall comes you can eat them!

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