The Budwig FOCC

I am fortunate to have a friend (of a friend) who raises cattle on his farm.. I split a cut up a cow or steer with another family and it totally fills our freezer for a while.  pretty affordable actually.. so that is one way of buying organic beef.. THe only thing is that some of the 'cuts' are huge and I have to thaw and cut them.. or precut them which i never have time to do at the time. This year I will plan the time.. great soup fixins.

Chickens I am not so lucky.. I could pay a premium for them at the grocers.. sometimes I do.  Target sells some pretty healthy food in the meats department.. I was surprised.  Actually I could raise chickens but I'm thinking the deer that eat our veggie garden or my dog would would eat them first.

I am in a bit of a quandery at home because everyone is on a different diet.  The Gaspacho I made (omg delish) was a huge hit last nite and we eat a lot of hummus and tabouli.  Betw/ my husband's prediabetic diet and my son's no carbs/hi protein diet and my craving for anything rich and satisfying because I can hardly eat anything.. it's a challenge to cook (and I used to be a chef).

I want to buy a lobster or four... but our income does not permit that.

Luan, Talking about vitamin d. I've been trying to get some sun daily per my Dr's suggestion. I find it feels so good. I don't know why I've avoided it the last few years.

I found this forum yesterday when I was Googling about Budwig. This is an interesting discussion and some comments made me want to respond, especially since I've been a member of the Yahoo FlaxSeedOil2 group for a while and have found everyone there to be very supportive, including the moderator. The first time I had a breast tumor, I knew nothing about alternatives and had surgery and chemo which made me sick. When the tumor came back, I did Budwig and got well...the tumor disappeared. I appreciate the support I found in FlaxSeedOil2 and I'm bothered by some of the statements here about that group.

chillipadi, you wrote that you followed the Budwig plan for 14 months and got worse while being a member of FlaxSeedOil2.  I was curious about your messages there. I copied your words, 'bled profusely,' and used the search box in FlaxseedOil2 to find your messages. I saw that your username there was similar to here. You wrote the following in one of your last FlaxSeedOil2 posts:

 "At the same time, I was drinking fresh grapefruit juice almost daily. This went on for around six months. Then, about two weeks ago, I stumbled upon a study which found that a certain compound in grapefruit inhibits an enzyme in your bodies which breaks down and metabolises estrogen. With this enzyme being blocked, estrogen levels in the body go up. You can get more details here:
http://healingpastures.com/2009/08/24/grapefruit-breast-cancer-risk/
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> I stopped both flaxseed and grapefruit consumption completely., and reported my suspicions to my oncologist. He said that the grapefruit compound had rendered Tamoxifen ineffective."

This is good information to know, so I thought I would post it here. Budwig NEVER recommended drinking grapefruit juice, so your statement tells me that you didn't know or understand the Budwig plan very well.This could be the reason it didn't work for you or maybe you're in the 10% that Budwig said she couldn't help. In the FlaxSeedOil2 group, they make it clear that it won't help everyone, especially people who aren't following it correctly.This might be one of the reasons that some members there seem to have a "religious fanaticism" as you called it, maybe they're trying to save lives by trying to explain the plan so people don't have the misunderstandings that you had. 

I also saw that after you posted that info to the group, Sandra Olson, the moderator,  wrote an answer to you that was very supportive and you replied by thanking her for not "shooting you down" which you say here that everyone did.  However, she did not encourage you to continue the Budwig plan.

You say the FlaxseedOil2 group is biased.The purpose of the group is to discuss the Budwig plan but I see that they allow many different opinions on many topics to be posted. I find the group to be as open as possible within the confines of its purpose.The fact that you posted your criticism of the Budwig plan over and over in that group tells me that they are quite lenient in what they post. It seems that it became clear that you hadn't really been following the Budwig plan very well, yet you wanted to keep telling new members that it doesn't work. 

I'm glad to see that you have found treatment that helps you. No one should stay with a treatment for 14 months while they're getting worse. From what I've read about the Budwig plan, people who are going to have success get well within 3 to 5 months. The group has hundreds of testimonials. What any of us do is our own choice and responsibility. 

Luan, I just found out i shouldn't eat them as well. It was on one of the threads here about 2 weeks ago or so. It is so frustrating what our Dr's don't know. If you google it you will see why. And to think I planted a tree last year thinking they would be good for me.

Wow ! sorry Jane you,re getting a whiff of the ambient air around here

2tzus, apple, elmcity and sweetbean, thank you for your kind words and support for me. I know I have made silly mistakes in the past, but no one deserves to be treated with such condescension and heartlessness as I have been on this thread by some other posters here. It takes a lot for me to share so openly about my experience, as I know I will face criticism by die-hard alternative fans. But I do it nevertheless, in the hope that it will save someone from making what could be a fatal mistake.

From what I know, many people don't follow the Budwig protocol (BP) strictly. I probably followed it closer than most. Yes, Budwig never said to drink grapefruit juice, but she never said to avoid it either. Nobody does, as many of you have found out. In my post from the other forum, which Jane freely posted here without my permission, I said I drank grapefruit juice for some 6 months. To put this in the correct context, I did this AFTER my 14-month BP trial, which I did pretty strictly. Why is Jane crucifying me for drinking grapefruit juice, when lots of people don't know that it interferes with medications like Tamoxifen? What does that have to do with the fact that BP failed me? Saying that BP doesn't work for only 10% of people is just plucking numbers from the air. Where's the documented proof that it works for 90% of those who try it? 

The BP forum moderator started turning hostile towards me when I started posting my negative experience with BP after my 14 month trial. My posts began to disappear, same as for others who had disappointing outcomes with BP. Some of them are members of the BCO board, and they PMd me to tell me as much. So whatever you read there on the BP board, take it with a HUGE pinch of salt.

We must be careful of all extremists, whether religious, political, or health-based. People have a right to hear all sides of the story, especially if they are making what could be life-or-death decisions.

I've noticed that the alternative-only posters tend to be rather defiant, combative and even nasty. They are quick to thumb their noses at others. Too many threads have been ruined by their toxic comments and schoolyard antics. This should stop. BCO is meant to be a place where people dealing with a horrifying and painful disease can come and seek information, support and comfort. If women like me cannot come here to share openly. no matter how painful and embarrassing it may be, where else can we go?

Do you wonder now why I rarely post? 

chillipadi - thankyou for your post. I'm so sorry you were sucked in by the BP. I think the alternative only posters are scared which is why they react so strongly. You are proof that alternative only doesn't work and once again I thank you for sharing your story.

((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))

Sue

Jane~~~~ I reported your post to the mods because she came here for comfort. It's supposed to be a safe place with no judgement. She is a new member looking for support and you took her thoughts and posts from another forum and posted them here for all to see. IMO, I'm not even sure if that's legal.

Susieq58 sez:

" I think the alternative only posters are scared which is why they react so strongly. You are proof that alternative only doesn't work and once again I thank you for sharing your story."

We're all scared, Sue.  I did alternative only for 4 years.  Didn't cure the cancer, but then, I'm stage IV and there is no cure.  What it DID do was save my life.  My prognosis was a year, TOPS, and that's if I was lucky.  Next March will be 5 years and I just had to start conventional therapy this past April.  So I would say that your sweeping judgement of alternative only isn't totally correct.  Even my oncologist said I was doing a better job than he could ever do.    If I can extend my Stage IV life with alternative-only, why can't an early-stage cancer be cured with it?

xxoo

Melissa

Luan, you're missing the wood for the trees. Jane spied on me and posted something I had written on another forum without my permission. And you thank her? This kind of behavior should NEVER be condoned. Just amazing. Apple, I'm sure you can relate to how I feel, as Nanay did something similar to you recently.

In any case, I posted on BCO some months ago about grapefruit interfering with Tamoxifen. Obviously, you missed that.

Rather than harassing BC sufferers like myself, Jane's "detective" skills would be better put to use finding proof for Budwig Protocol enthusiasts' claims that it has worked for 90% of people. Let's see the evidence! Let's see a detailed, professional report! At least then Jane will be doing some good with her free time.

By the way Luan, everytime I post about my experience with the alternative route - which is rarely - your reponse has always been impolite, to say the least. You're not alone though. Other people in the alternative-only camp have also been very hurtful towards me. It's as if all they care about is that I'm raining on their parade. Is it so hard to be kind and respectful, ladies?

Let's remember that this is an open forum, so everyone has the right to share their experiences here, whether you like it or not. All sides of the story must be told, so that those seeking information will not be misled. 

Chillipadi, re grapefruit juice, my own welfare trumps your feelings of indignation at whatever. Re respect, maybe you should show some respect first to people,s sensitivity. Lastly, the Budwig protocol must have been a positive factor in your case, since it was so dire and you are still testifying to it

Luan, you said 'Re respect, maybe you should show some respect first to people,s sensitivity. '

Chilipadi simply related her experience. If you were 'sensitive' to her experience, you should not have read it. So it is OK for you to be disrespectful and rude because you found her relating her experience to be 'insensitive'? I am astounded at the lack of logic displayed. It is NOT OK for you to be rude and disrepectful.

I am not disrespectful nor rude for thanking someone for her post. If you don,t like my comments, then don,t read them. Edited to add: i see now that she belongs to a "certain" alliance...WHICH I DO NOT CHOOSE

Luan - you said to Chillipadi : "my own welfare trumps your feelings of indignation at whatever"

It would be nice if some kindness was shown towards women who are obviously suffering.