The Budwig FOCC

Leia

I am following the FOCC, Flax Seed Oil and Cottage Cheese, a derivative of the total Budwig Protocol. 6 Tablespoons of Cottage Cheese, three tablespoons of flaxseed oil. I add one tablespoon of milk and blend it all together with a stick blender until it is creamy. And then, I add 1 cup of mixed blueberries/rasberries/blackberries and 1 teaspoon of Agave, to sweeten it.Delicious!  It is truly yummy. In the middle, I take 10,000 IUs of D3 and 600 of COQ10. And then, I go on my hour walk to the bus, to get to my job. Set for the day!As I've said, I've already had two cancers. I need to alter my body's propensity to develop cancer. And I believe the FOCC is doing this. And what is more? I just feel So Great! I truly can't relate this in a fashion that anyone would understand. But it is so remarkable, to me. I'm just so much calmer. Stuff that used to freak me out, doesn't, anymore. It just all rolls, off. Highly recommended.  

yuchick

I was on Budwig prior to surgery in Canada, kept me positive and bubley right up until chemo started.  They don't start the chemo right away here, they want you to heal for 3 weeks.  At chemo, the oncologist freaked me out and said that Flax may depleat the chemo action.  After, all was said and done, steroids and all the weight gain, I still have the ingredients in my fridge, but it positively closes me up -- oposite to what Budwig says.  She does make a lot of sense, and the protocol (the mix alone, not everything) will keep you in the good spirits.  I even tried her LDoils - electrooils, direct on the scarred breast and underarms, all up until rads.  The rads did not allow oily product.  But up until then, I loved the oil.  Very greasy, cannot do wrong.

Leia

yuchick, how are you doing by now? 

Anonymous

Yuchick and Leia, what are the resources, links to some of the vocabulary, i.e. the protocol, Ldoils, who is "her", what do you mean when you say it closes you up, who is Budwig ?



Sorry about all the questions, but am most intent on preventing recurrence and find concept compelling. This also confirms what i have researched that flax is estrogenic so will be replacing with nut oil.



Thank you much

Anonymous

Thank you Sweetie did not know there was an actual Dr Budwig !! Was sure dr Kousmine had come up with the concept. I have a problem with the flax oil I,m sure walnut oil (walnuts are supposed to pack a real punch) would also do a good job.



I see the rest of the protocol makes a whole lot of sense, fermented cabbage, etc.



Do u think we are suffering from insomnia...LoL !

Melizzard

HOnestly, I wouldn't go switching oils.  The research was done with flax oil ... not walnut oil.  Flax is such a weak estrogen that the thinking is that it would act like tamoxifen and fill the estrogen receptor but not cause cancer to grow.  I did this protocol, rigidly, for about a year and a half.

 xxoo

Melissa

Anonymous

Melissa, why then would her onco suspend its use with the tamox ? The pharmacist at my hospital is of same opinion, no omegas while on Tam.

Still have to clarify with her if it includes fish oil, would really hate to give that up, although my onco in a few hours time might just take me off tamox...



Just curious, why would you give up on it ?

sweetbean

this always confuses me.  First, Dr. Budwig was really explicit about doing the entire protocol for success, not just the FOCC portion.  But a lot of people do just the FOCC part and do well.  The other thing is the actual ingredients - everything i have read about dairy says that it is the Big Bad (what with all the casein).  Same goes for Flax oil - my naturopath said flax lignans were good,but flax oil was bad.  Thoughts?

Belinda44

Sweetbean,

I hope someone comes along to comment on your post.  I have a similar diagnosis as yours and have the same concerns/questions that you mention above.... (dairy, flax oil, etc....)

Leia

Melissa, why did you stop?

Anonymous

Ok Melissa, i,ve clarified with the pharmacist at my hospital and the omegas are not recommended during chemo because of their blood thinning properties. Flax seeds and oil can safely be used with ER neg cancer but she advises to remain cautious about phytoestrogens for ER pos cancer. At last, my answer !

Leia

To all of you with questions about the  Budwig protocol, go visit:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FlaxSeedOil2/

This group is where the answers are about everything Budwig. You will have to join the group, but it's free. If you have a Yahoo account, no problem. If you don't have a Yahoo account, set one up. Again, it's free. 

And you can read everything about the FOCC and the Budwig protocol. 

I think you will be amazed.  

apple

I would love to try the FOCC but my onc. says it causes problems.. I suspect from the laxative properties of flaxseed.  At the time the 'diet' was composed, Dr. Budwig had limited access (by virtue of time in history) to ingredients.. If alive today, I wonder what she'd say.  I have great respect for her zeal.  I think blending the flaxseed oil with the cottage cheese renders it unlaxativish.  ( how's that for word inventing?).  Note Budwid used organic cottage cheese.. not so easy to find.

I think the hormones and estrogens artificially introduced into our food supply is causing the cancer.  Her diet is so strict and totally avoids all these foods that contain hormones and artificial supplements fed to animals.  I am not vegetarian... but so easily could be.

and btw.. I LOVE the clothing line FLAX.. it feels so natural even when wrinklycrumpy.

Melizzard

Leia, I stopped because the cancer was still progressing and I needed some heavier "firepower."  I have started eating the cottage cheese/flax oil mixture even though I'm still doing chemo.  I need the Omega 3s and it gives me such a sense of well-being ... not to mention to flippin tasty it is for breakfast!  )

xxoo

Melissa

SPG

I just began the Bill Henderson Protocol which incorporates the Budwig diet in it. Got to Amazon.com and look up Bill Henderson's book (Something like "Cancer Is Curable") and read the 77 (!) book reviews!  This in itself is very impressive!

Yes, the diet is very strict but it's only for 8 weks! And if it gets rid of your cancer then, isn't it worth it?  It is to me.

You have my support no matter what you choose. My best to everyone.

Sandi  

  

Anonymous

Thanks for the tip Sandi, best to you too

apple

that's odd patzeerainbow just posted this link with Bill Henderson Protocol in another thread.

someone cares.

sweetbean

So Leia,

Are you doing the whole BP or just the FOCC?  From everything I have read, she was pretty strict about doing the entire thing.  The other thing that confuses me is that she really runs against the grain of most of the alternative practioners that I know.  Most of them love olive and coconut oil, but she is completely opposed.  She won't even let a Stage 4 patient do yoga.  That would bum me out.  It just seems so strict. (And I can do strict - I've got willpower for days!)  How much of this are you doing?   

Anonymous

Apple, you really need to address the paranoia, serious

Member_of_the_Club

Sandi, you joined today and have posted twice, both times promoting the book but no mention of whether or not you have or have had breast cancer.  It violates the rules of these boards to promote your products.

Anonymous

I, for one, am really glad to hear about this protocol

NattyOnFrostyLake

My oncologist was born in Germany and is familiar with Budwig and the flax oil protocol. She was very supportive of the Budwig protocol because it's better known in Germany. I hate cottage cheese but was told I could substitute a soft boiled egg and lemon juice with the flax oil.

Apparently there are studies in German about either Budwig or flax oil.  I've heard there is a long term online group of cancer patients using Budwig. Maybe somebody knows what it is.

Leia

sweetbean, I'm only doing the FOCC. Because I have only ever had two Stage 1 cancers. The breast cancer and the Leio cancer. And both of those cancers cut out, surgically, with huge margins. And with both cancers, I had no further treatments. The breast cancer, because I refused them the Leio cancer, because there wasn't any. 

What Budwig did with her entire protocol was CURE State 4 cancers.  Again, I direct you to http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/FlaxSeedOil2/

Again, only anecdotal evidence. Yet, I believe it. Because I see it, for myself. And as I've said, I see it, from people that I have known. My sister, Stage 3 Ovarian Cancer, alive after four years on the total Budwig. Refused the chemo, accepted only the entire Budwig. This other woman, written up in my local newspaper, she had stage 2 ovarian cancer, had the chemo and was dead within the year. But the point of the article was "She raised awareness for ovarian cancer." No, she raised a bunch of $$$ for the chemo industry. And now she's dead. If she had chosen the Budwig and not the chemo she might be alive. 

Bottom line, we all have to choose for ourselves. But to choose for ourselves, the information has to be out there. Of the choices available.  

And that is why I started this thread. I want information available, to women. Especially to these vulnerable women. Who are just coming to this board and are freaked What now?

Again, what I am saying is that there is an alternative. This is the "alternative" board.

I was a vulnerable woman in 2006, with my 2006 IDC diagnosis.  I read MarieS' posts and did NOT do the Whole Breast Radiation. And five years later, I could not be happier. That I did not do it.

Alternative voices should be heard. 

Karina121293

Leia, thanks for this thread. I have been studying BP for months now, and want to start the FOCC after my active treatment end of this month. But I hesitate about taking it as flax has phytoestrogen and I am ER+ and I don't seem to get assuring answers , if it's ok for ER+. If you have certain answers , will you please share. I want to have it without doubting of its benefits because of ER status.

Thanks,

Karina 

Anonymous

Karina, i am er pos and will have to substitute flax oil with walnut oil

mollyann

Luan,

Flax oil suppresses estrogen receptors and growth factors.

Mol Nutr Food Res. 2010 Oct;54(10):1414-21.

Flaxseed oil reduces the growth of human breast tumors (MCF-7) at high levels of circulating estrogen.

Truan JS, Chen JM, Thompson LU.

Source

Department of Nutritional Sciences, University of Toronto, Toronto, ON, Canada.

Abstract

Flaxseed (FS) has been shown to attenuate mammary tumorigenesis, possibly due to its high α-linolenic acid (ALA)-rich oil (FSO) content. This study determined the effect of FSO on the growth of estrogen receptor-positive human breast tumors (MCF-7) in ovariectomized athymic mice at high premenopausal-like estrogen (E2) levels. Mice with established MCF-7 tumors were fed basal diet (control) or basal diet supplemented with FSO (40 g/kg) for 8 wks. Compared with control, FSO reduced tumor size (33%, p<0.05) and tumor cell proliferation (38%, p<0.05) and increased apoptosis (110%, p<0.001). FSO also reduced human epidermal growth factor receptor-2 (79%, p<0.05) and epidermal growth factor receptor (57%, p=0.057) expression, which then may have led to a reduction in Akt (54%, p<0.05) and phosphorylation of mitogen-activated protein kinase (MAPK) to phosphorylated MAPK (pMAPK, 28%, p<0.05). Insulin-like growth factor-1 receptor, vascular endothelial growth factor receptor, MAPK and phosphorylated Akt were not affected. FSO increased (p<0.001) serum ALA, eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid and, in vitro, ALA reduced MCF-7 cell proliferation (33%, p<0.001).

 Thus, FSO regressed estrogen receptor-positive human breast tumorigenesis at high E2 levels via downregulation of the growth factor mediated pathway, likely through its ALA content, and may explain the anti-tumorigenicity of FS.

Anonymous

I don,t know Molly, could it somehow compete with Tamox. The pharmacist takes her D, fish oil, strongly emphasized exercise and nutrition, it,s not as if she,s ignorant. I,m really torn on this issue

kira1234

Lua, I've been told by my Onc. no flax seed oil as well. In the past before BC I used it often, as well as the seeds. I still ahve a box of the seeds in the frig, and am afraid to use the stuff.

mollyann

Luan,

This study showed flax made Tamoxifen work better.

.Exp Biol Med (Maywood). 2007 Sep;232(8):1071-80.

Flaxseed alone or in combination with tamoxifen inhibits MCF-7 breast tumor growth in ovariectomized athymic mice with high circulating levels of estrogen.

Chen J, Power KA, Mann J, Cheng A, Thompson LU.

Source

Department of Nutritional Sciences, Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto, 150 College Street, Toronto, ON, Canada M5S 3E2.

Abstract

Flaxseed (FS) is rich in mammalian lignan precursors and alpha-linolenic acid, which have been suggested as having anticancer effects. Previous studies have shown that 10% FS inhibits the growth of human estrogen-dependent breast cancer (MCF-7) in athymic mice, and it enhances the inhibitory effect of tamoxifen (TAM). This study determined whether the effect of FS, alone or in combination with TAM, is dose dependent, and it explored the potential mechanism of action. Ovariectomized athymic mice with estradiol (E2) supplementation (1.7 mg/pellet, 60-day release) and established MCF-7 tumors were treated with basal diet control (0FS), 5% FS (5FS), 10% FS (10FS), and TAM (TAM/ 0FS; 5 mg/pellet, 60-day release), alone or in combination (TAM/ 5FS and TAM/10FS) for 8 weeks. Compared with control, 5FS and 10FS significantly inhibited tumor growth by 26% and 38%, respectively. TAM/0FS had an effect similar to the 10FS. TAM/ 5FS and TAM/10FS, respectively, induced significant 48% and 43% reductions in tumor size compared with 0FS, and 18% and 10% reductions compared with TAM/0FS. The relative uterine weight was significantly lower in all TAM groups compared with the control. The reduction of tumor growth resulted from decreased cell proliferation and increased cell apoptosis. TAM/ 5FS caused a significantly higher expression of estrogen receptor-alpha (ERalpha) compared with 5FS and TAM/0FS, whereas TAM/10FS had a higher ERalpha than 10FS and TAM/0FS. Compared with the control, progesterone receptor (PgR) expression was significantly reduced in all treatment groups, but insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) expression was reduced only by 10FS, TAM/5FS and TAM/10FS. Tumor cell proliferation was significantly positively associated with expression of PgR and IGF-1 and negatively associated with apoptosis and ERalpha. Apoptosis was only associated with ERalpha. In conclusion, FS inhibited MCF-7 tumor growth in a dose-dependent manner and enhanced the inhibitory effect of TAM due to the modulation of ER and growth factor signal transduction pathways.

mollyann

Kira,

Did you ask your oncologist where his/her information comes from? They may just have an impression about flax but in fact never looked it up in the medical literature.

Member_of_the_Club

Flaxseed, like soy, is a phytoestrogen.  I don't think you have to avoid it like some people say but I would be very, very wary of taking it in any kind of concentrated form if you had an er+ tumor.

There are no definitive studies either way.  I'm a vegetarian and have explored this issue because I love tofu.  Unfortunately you just aren't going to find a clear answer, and picking and choosing studies isn't going to give you the complete picture.  What I've settled on is that some soy and flaxseed is OK,  but not as a supplement.