radiation and diet/nutrition

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Is there any thought on the benefits of diet/nutrition in mitigating the side effects of radiation?  Specifically, I'm wondering about anything to help with complications with reconstruction.   I already take supplements and have checked out the foods to eat for  radiation but I'm hoping to do everything I can to make this go smoothly.

I'm beginning radiation on August 8th.   I have TE's in place and will eventually switch those out for implants.

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  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited July 2011

    I've been wondering the same thing.  It makes perfect sense to me that one should try to heal the body from the inside out.  Creams can help with discomfort, but how can they heal a body that is being torn down faster than it can repair, you know?

    The only info I have some across about diet and radiation is to "eat healthy", eat a lot of protein (100+ grams per day).  Other than that, sleep is pretty important as well.

    Good question!

  • julianna51
    julianna51 Member Posts: 438
    edited July 2011

    One of the things I've added to my supplement regime since being diagnosed is aloe vera juice.   As far as radiation goes, I know that aloe vera normally does great things for the skin so I am hoping it will help!

  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited July 2011
  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited July 2011

    The only nutritional advice I got from my RO nurse was to add in more protein because it helps heal your tissue. This came only after I asked and after I pointed out that I'm vegetarian, so it's not like they volunteered it. FWIW, I got a copy of THE CANCER FIGHTING KITCHEN. I think it's geared more toward patients going through chemo and/or anyone looking to prevent cancer, but it makes me feel good to think I'm building a healthier body going forward. BTW, our doc's office has a nutrionist on staff. My insurance wouldn't cover the appt, so I found a free place through a cancer support center (and I've emailed random questions to the staff nutritionist). So there may be resources to answer your specific questions.

    Re: supplements, be sure to mention them to the RO staff. Mine told me to avoid mega-doses of anti-oxidants during rads. (a regular multi-vitamin was OK, but extra supplements could reduce the effectiveness of the radiation) 

    Re: sleep. Yes! The infamous radiation fatigue set in halfway through and my RO nurse suggested I take powernaps midweek (1-2 hrs on Wed afternoon).   Later another nurse said that people really underestimate the value of sleep and their immune system (in general). So how's that for a way to get healthy--sleep in!

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited July 2011

    I found I craved protein during radiation .. my body must have needed it.

    Bren

  • GmaFoley
    GmaFoley Member Posts: 7,091
    edited July 2011
    My Nutritionist discussion was very interesting.. I am always trying to lose weight and she said now is not the right time - when you are healing from rads...if you lose weight during rads,  you loose it in muscle mass not fat... It is very important to stay the same weight.. So.... she weighed me and told me to eat - high protein foods with at least 5 servings of bright looking veggies and fruits a day.  Lots of water... and she gave me a shopping list of all the high protein foods to stock.

    The list of proteins in the order she suggested were: eggs, salmon, beans, chickpeas, legumes, peanuts, fish, chicken, red meat, milk, peanut butter, yogurt and cottage cheese.  She also gave a list of things to be I the kitchen:

    Nuts: Almonds, Walnuts, Pecans, Pistachios

    Beans: Black, Pinto, Kidney, chickpeas, lentils

    Rice: Brown, Long grain, rice mixes

    Pasta: Whole Wheat, Multigrain enriched spaghetti

    Other grains: couscous, orzo, cornmeal, whole grain crackers

    Onions

    Black Tea -(green tea is in question at the moment because of a study that showed high concentrations made people with leukemia worse)

    Canned low sodium tomatoes, sun-dried, salsa

    Canned low sodium vegetables, green beans, mushrooms

    Sauces: Low sodium pasta, tomato

    Meats: canned tuna in water, salmon, clams, chicken

    Peanut butter: low sodium

    Evaporated milk, low or non fat

    Vinegars: cider, red and white wine, balsamic

    Oils: canola, olive and non fat cooking spriay

    Spices: Tumeric (anti-inflammatory), Dried herbs, all kinds!

    Garlic, potatoes, root vegetables

    In the Refrigerator:

     100% Vegetable and fruit juices

    low fat milk and yogurt

    Reduced fat, low soduim cheeses

    Whole wheat and corn tortillas

    Eggs

    Low fat, non trans fat spread

    In the freezer

    Frozen vegetables, fruits

    Frozen chopped onions and peppers

    Whole wheat breads, wheat waffles, whole grain rolls

    You need to eat at least 5 servings of vegetables (including legumes) and fruits a day, especially those with the most COLOR, a sign of high nutrient content. These foods are packed with vitamins, minerals and antioxidants that work together to lower the risk of several cancers. (American Cancer Society)

    The last thing she left me with is that every meal needs a protein and salads don't cut it unless you add meat, beans or other proteins with it.
  • julianna51
    julianna51 Member Posts: 438
    edited July 2011

    Sounds like I'll be eating very healthy while doing rads! Tongue out

    I've already been told I'll have to stop my antioxidants for rads...I can't imagine not taking them for more than 6 weeks but if that is what I have to do....

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited July 2011
    julianna51 - I drank lots of water too.  I think that helps.
  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 5,938
    edited July 2011

    eat lots of protein.  My techs did not tell me this and I lost weight during rads.  I have had a hard time healing from rads.  I finished the end of Jan and I still cannot have my MX with DEIP reconstruction because my tissue is still swollen and just not healing as fast as they would like.  I go back in Sept to see what they think. 

  • julianna51
    julianna51 Member Posts: 438
    edited July 2011

    I do keep hearing that....eat lots of protein and I know that is my weakness right now.   So...I have work to do to get my mind wrapped around that and be prepared.

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited July 2011
    julianna51, I started eating fish, esp. salmon (omega 3s). And whole grains often have a boost shot of protein. So my new junk food fix is a salmon burger on whole grain bun with spinach and slice of tomato. 
  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited July 2011

    Peggy_J - that sounds delish!

    What quantifies a "lot of protein"?

    I've been eating what I think is a lot.  I hang around 100-125 grams per day.  That is a lot more than I would typically eat.  I'm finding it difficult to eat that much protein and stay at a reasonable calorie level.

  • stage1
    stage1 Member Posts: 475
    edited July 2011
    I am almost done with rads, and now I am hearing what I should have been doing...I should have chimed in earlier, the DRs don't tell you anything about nutrition while on rads. Thank you all for the infoKissI had been feeling very, very fatigued, if I had loaded up on protein that might have helped.  And I have been losing weight during rads, not knowing that is not a good idea.  oh, poooo
  • Megadotz
    Megadotz Member Posts: 302
    edited July 2011

    Stage1, some docors do care.  

     I got a handout on nutrition and other treatment issues before treatment started.

    During my first week of rads, the tech told me that if I had the time, the nutritionist wanted to speak with me.  I had lost my appetite and some weight between chemo and rads, so I jumped on the opportunity,  The nutritionist set up a plan with me and gave me some suggestions. The nutritionist came to the radiation center once a week and as available by phone.  The hospital provides this to patients under active treatment at no charge.

    My RO is also head of the hospital's cancer program.   

    I wish everyone was getting this kind of support. 

  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 5,938
    edited July 2011

    What I found funny about getting information.  My RO has two facilities in two towns.  I received treatment and my simulation at the NB facility and the techs were the ones to give me the handouts and go over things with me.  They never mentioned nutrition.  My Dad had his simulation at the SM facility and I went with him that day and the tech stressed about eating good and lots of protein that this was not the time to loose weight.  Mind you the same Dr owns both facilities.  I had already finished my rads by this time and was amazed that the techs in NB never said anything to me.  Every week when they weight me they would comment you lost 4 pounds or whatever it was and never said anything the whole time.

  • julianna51
    julianna51 Member Posts: 438
    edited July 2011

    I find it funny too that you hear of so many different "standards" of treatment on these boards as in nutrition or creams or many other things.   It is all over the place.   My RO so far has not said anything to me about any of these and I do not see him again until August 2nd for my first appointment regarding mapping or whatever it is.   I have a lot of questions for him.  I wish he would give me his email so I could send them all over to him.

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited July 2011
    pejkug3,100+ grams of protein a day sounds like a lot. I think 50-60 grams is the "normal" suggested intake (depending on your weight and other things). My RO said we don't need to go crazy during rads (she said if I'd done chemo then it might make sense to 2x it). I think her recommendation was maybe 30-50% more, so maybe 70 grams? I got ambitious and would cook extra stuff on the weekend (quinoa, lentils) so I'd have it around the house for meals or even snacks. Yeah, I'm also trying to eat 5-9 servings of fruits and veggies a day (with an emphasis on veggies, to not OD on the sugar from fruit) so trying to do that while adding in extra protein...I felt like I was eating a ton (but...no room for cookies and other sweets, that's for sure. ha) FWIW, I really started reading labels and jotting down notes: oatmeal w/ walnuts + raisins: 10 gr. protein + 1 fruit.  I felt like my meals were being prepared by my inner accountant. ;) 
  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited July 2011

    Peggy_J - your comment about your "inner accountant" made me laugh.  So true!

    I did have chemo - TCH x 6 - so I wonder if that's why the RO is recommending so much protein?  And I'm *ahem* overweight as well...  I've only been averaging about 115 grams.  I got lectured at today's meeting with the RO.  He is really pushing the 125 grams.  WHo knows, they all do things differently don't they?

  • julianna51
    julianna51 Member Posts: 438
    edited July 2011

    Oh my....how am I ever going to eat all this protein???   Anyone have any great ideas for quick and easy?

  • GmaFoley
    GmaFoley Member Posts: 7,091
    edited July 2011

    Julianna51: I make a smoothie in the morning (fruit, greek yogurt and almond milk) .. then hardboiled eggs for snacks, peanuts are considered legumes.. then whole grain sandwich with egg or tuna salad (i make up a big amount of salad and use it for a couple of days).. G Forman grill to cook my fish and have a salad with beans, eggs, almonds on my salad, for dinner.

  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited July 2011

    Greek yogurt, cottage cheese, whole wheat breads if you eat bread, Smart Balance milk has 10g of protein and lower in fat than regular milk...

    I broke down and got some protein powder.  Myoplex Original from GNC.  It's expensive but has 42 grams of protein and 300 calories.

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited July 2011

    pejkug3, yeah, maybe they are recommending extra protein since you're still healing from chemo. If that's their recommendation, I'd go with it.

    Good point on the protein powder. I did that too, tossed in the smoothie. (make sure it's not soy! I got rice protein and there's even hemp protein...but no hemp buzz. dang! ;)

    julianna51, yeah, some of the recipes I found were time-consuming. But...if you have friends who have been asking how they can help, maybe they can pitch in here. (?) Ask them to make up some food you can have around the house that's high in protein. The book I liked best is The Cancer Fighting Kitchen by Rebecca Katz but the recipes are time consuming. (she does have a section on "anytime food," so your friends could make things ahead of time and you have them around the house to eat anytime). Short of that, maybe try epicurious.com for lentil or quinoa recipes?

  • julianna51
    julianna51 Member Posts: 438
    edited July 2011

    These are all good ideas.   I make a fabulous smoothie with protein powder, mango, blueberries, fiber powder, and greens.   It is delicious and has a lot of portein.   

  • shortlady
    shortlady Member Posts: 78
    edited July 2011

    You can ask to have blood work done before you start radiation.  Ask to have your protein level check and your vitamin D level also.  My radiologist believes that women often have problems healing because their vitamin D levels are low.  

    My protein levels where low after my BX and caused healing issues.   I was told to get some protein mix.  I was sent to a nutritionist and she said I should  get 100 grams of protein a day.  I had my protein levels checked several times to make sure they were going up.

    During radiation I expressed concern about healing and the nurse gave me some samples of a mixture called juven that is mixed with water or juice.  It is to help with healing.  I was able to find it at a rite aide in town.  You have to look on the internet to see who carries it in your area.  I was given coupons for it that helped with the cost.  

    I hope this helps. 

  • canadianleslie
    canadianleslie Member Posts: 4
    edited July 2011

    I was never told to eat more protein and now I'm near the end of my treatment.  I luckily have increased my protein of late anyways, and decreased my carbs, especially simple carbs based on the study done in Vancouver at the Cancer Research Centre, on the effects of carbs on cancer.  I feel actually really good, lots of energy not needing to rest too much, but I do get fatigued from the heat and if walking uphill.  My skins hanging in there, quite red and itchy.  I made the mistake of not drinking enough water a couple of days and became dizzy and nauseous, but went away after I rehydrated.

  • Shirlann
    Shirlann Member Posts: 3,302
    edited July 2011

    Hi sisters, my info is old, I am 13 years post treatment, but they told me food was great, but no supplements.  They weren't sure, but thought maybe the supplements would fight the rads and lessen their effectiveness.  I am not sure what they are saying now.

    Gentle hugs, Shirlann 

  • julianna51
    julianna51 Member Posts: 438
    edited July 2011

    Shirlann - I know that I am not supposed to take any stand alone antioxidants (makes me crazy...I've been taking them for years I'll feel like something is really missing!) But, I believe I can still take some of the other things I take.    Hopefully they don't spring anything on me next week when I go in for my appointment.

  • Maybe484
    Maybe484 Member Posts: 170
    edited July 2011

    My RO told me that the antioxidants in foods are not in high enough quantity to interfere with rads but that dietary supplements are. 

  • julianna51
    julianna51 Member Posts: 438
    edited July 2011

    I gave my RO a list of everything I take and so far nothing has been said but I do intend to still take my multivitamin, D3, B complex, calcium and aloe vera juice.   Just cant take my super antioxidant OPC3, and a few others I take.

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