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  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited July 2011

    I think it is totally possible!  I have seen lots of ladies able to go topless by 12-13 weeks.  And I don't think the anesthesia will make your hair fall out. I think the combination of anesthesia + Herceptin has slowed mine, but it hasn't stopped it and it certainly isn't falling out.  Plus, my hair wasn't thick before (although the back and the sides are thicker, so I am hoping the top also comes in thicker - that would be nice!).  Anyway,  If your hair was thick before, I think you could definitely be topless by Sept.  I am sending you good hair vibes!

  • louis13
    louis13 Member Posts: 333
    edited July 2011

    Hi all, am going overseas tomorrow and have just finished chemo last week...and wondering...can someone please suggest the BRAND of biotin i should buy? and what about nioxin? thx, rosemary

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited July 2011

    I bought Bluebonnet - 5000 mgs in capsule form.  Capsules are easier for your body to access than tablets.

  • Jen1832
    Jen1832 Member Posts: 61
    edited July 2011

    I have a blog that one of my friends, who is also a hairstylist, just read.  She has just called and told me that I need Nioxin and Biotin.  Looks like I will get on that bandwagon.  Thanks sweetbean for the brand of biotin, and the good hair vibes too!

  • christine47
    christine47 Member Posts: 1,454
    edited July 2011

    Jen, I think you will have a short stylish hair style by Sept.  Your hair with just taxotere was quite amazing.

    I have purchased the Biotin from Walgreens, it is the same brand of all there vitamin suppliments.  Not sure if it helps or not, but the hair on my legs and other areas is sure growing.  Today I went out and bought an electric razor for my under arm area on my node disection side, I have been left with such a deep pit I can not use a regular razor and it is also on my right side and I am right handed, so frustrating.  My eyebrows are almost all new and very dark, I never had to pluck before and may need to in another week.  Still can see some white on the scalp, seems like this hair is slowerUndecided.  I have not purchased Nixon yet, which one do you all buy? 

    Hope everyone is having a great 4th of July, need to put together a few side dishes and going to a cookout with some friends.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2011

    I went topless at 12-13 weeks. It was short but I pulled it off.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited July 2011
    8 weeks post Chemo tomorrow
  • pumela115
    pumela115 Member Posts: 231
    edited July 2011

    I did too Lago. I just couldn't stand the wig any longer. I also decided i like my hair short better and i got a pixie haircut. It's so easy, i love it! Happy 4th everyone!! Having a BBQ with family at my house so i better get busyKiss

                                                             Pam

    P.S. It's going to be 77 in Seattle today, WhoooooHooooo!!!!

  • christine47
    christine47 Member Posts: 1,454
    edited July 2011
    bdavis, your hair is looking great, I will try and post picture in the next few days. When do you think you will color, before your July surgery?  Looks like I will be in baseball cap for my surgery.Tongue out
  • Jen1832
    Jen1832 Member Posts: 61
    edited July 2011

    bdavis - great looking hair!  Good coverage...

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2011
    Bdavis look at all that hair! seems to be coming pretty even too.
  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited July 2011

    I have read that coloring makes it orange if done too prematurely... so I am nervous about that... My hair is looking less gray than it was as the darker hair comes in, but as a blond I find it hard to judge what I am looking at. I tried using a little sun-in earlier today to see if anything would happen... I didn't see anything different...And I wouldn't dye it brown or red, as I have never been a brunette or redhead... not sure the best approach... maybe use an over the counter L'Oreal type thing?? In like a champagne or ash blond? I was looking at them at the store the other day... I am worried about dying my whole head one color... In the past, I would buy something for highlighting, just highlighting random pieces of hair. Pre-chemo I had just a little gray at the sideburn area, so I would highlight more there and it worked.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2011

    I went to a professional for color. It was a bit too red the first time but not bad red. Eventually we got the right color.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited July 2011

    I need more hair to go to a professional

  • pbablsmit
    pbablsmit Member Posts: 9
    edited July 2011

    I have a silly question, I finished chemo (T & C) on May 24th.  Do I start counting weeks based on that date?  If so, I'd be 6 weeks pfc tomorrow.  Or do I wait 3 weeks and then start the count?  I have some wispy hair but it just started "sprouting" with purpose this past week. Can't see going topless anytime soon :(

  • Jen1832
    Jen1832 Member Posts: 61
    edited July 2011

    pbablsmit - I finished 16 June so I am 2 weeks pfc.  I assume that pfc = past final chemo and my last and final chemo infusion was 16 June.  Not sure why you would not count the first three weeks.  In my opinion, each week out is a victory!

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited July 2011

    I finished May 10th, 8 weeks ago tomorrow... I too count all the days past chemo...I think some people don't want to count the first three weeks because those are the weeks in between chemo and think the body hasn't adjusted... or something like that...

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited July 2011

    I haven't been on this thread for 32 pages. 

    Jen1832 - PFC - Post *$&%^ Chemo is what it stands for Laughing

    Bdavis - I was a natural blonde.  My hair came in a mousy brownish gray color.  I waited 6 months before I went to a professional as (1) I wanted my hair to grow in healthy without chemical treatment and (2) I was also worried about how the chemo hair would color and didn't want it turning orange on me.  We used a frosting cap for the first 3 colors treatments.  This way she would put in two colors - base color plus highlights.  The next treatments were basically highlights in different blonde shades so my hair looked naturally blonde.  I would suggest someone that has been doing hair for 20 years or so and not an amatuer out of school even though it does cost more.  My hair finally got long enough to where I could foil it.

    I haven't put any color in for 4 months now as I am giving my hair a rest over the summer.  I was so hoping that the sun would naturally bleach it as it has in the past but I guess I am not in the sun as much as before because it isn't doing anything for my hair.

    As far as counting how many weeks you are - you start with the last day of treatment.  At least that is what most everyone has done in the past.  I finished chemo the end of May 2008 and my hair is past my shoulders by about 3".  Keep in mind I have gotten baby trims every 8 weeks so it would be a couple of inches longer if I never trimmed it.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited July 2011

    Jancie,

    Thanks for the blond input... It would be easier I think if I were a brunette... and just color it, but the blond thing is more complicated I think... too many shades. I don't know if you can tell from the pictures, but it is white in some areas, silver in others and dark blond in others... but where its white, it could also be blond... too hard to tell I am not sure I can make it 4 more months with this silvery color, although perhaps that will seem less silver as the other hair grows in... 

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited July 2011

    Betsy - believe me I went nuts having that awful color.  Although I was glad to have my hair growing back - it just didn't seem like me - the pre-cancer person.  I was chomping at the mouth waiting to get my hair colored so that I would feel somewhat normal again.  My hair was like your picture - it was very light but also had some darker blonde color in it at the roots and the underneath hair that was not exposed to sunlight and yes....due to my age I had white hair coming in also.

    I was trying all sorts of products - the rinse out colors so that I wasn't dying or bleaching my hair - I was just using colored mouse that would rinse out and I still couldn't cover up the gray so I resigned myself to it knowing that I just had to wait and then color it.

  • YamahaMama
    YamahaMama Member Posts: 221
    edited July 2011

    Jancie, I LOVE your acronym for PFC!  Laughing  So, you've been Post #$@&!* Chemo for over three years, but your hair never reverted back to its original color?  I was SO hoping that, even if mine comes in darker or--gasp--gray, it would eventually go back to the original color... *sigh*  I've been blonde for 48 years with no help, although I have lots of cousins and uncles who went gray at VERY young ages.  I'm really scared now that's my future!  Guess I'll learn to play with hair coloring now, won't I?  Wink 

    Betsy, I think yours is coming in GREAT!  I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed, and think I'm headed to the hair dresser tomorrow for a bottle o' magic Nioxin!  At least, I THINK that's what she recommended!

  • Carrol2
    Carrol2 Member Posts: 2,903
    edited July 2011
    bdavis your hair is growing in at a great pace. I am brunette so the grey really shows on me but as it got longer it was less noticeable. I got it colored at a salon with a semi permanent but it's been about 8 or 10 weeks and mostly washed out and i don't seem as grey now. I am not sure how grey I was before BC i used to hi light my hair very blonde so it blended in. Money is tight now so I am dealing with it as it is.
  • carberry
    carberry Member Posts: 1,153
    edited July 2011

    My hair was coming in totally gray, but that seemed to fall out and the brunette took over, but still had some gray.  I am still using the henna that i got from website puritan pride and I love the way it colors my hair. A jar for 8$ has given me 2 treatments so far and I have lots left.  I mix it with hot coffee and apply warm and i get a really nice brunette color.  They have hennas for blondes also.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited July 2011

    I think the problem for blonds, at least for me, is that my natural color is multi-toned... I have many many shades of blond and in the winter help it along with some streaking highlights, and more recently to conceal some gray at the temple/sideburn area... When I wore my hair shorter a few years back it was harder as with every haircut, they chopped off the blondest hair as it was the hair exposed to light... so I can see this will be a challenge, and may initially brighten the whole head and deal with multi tones as I go along.

    I have not used Nioxin or any products... I started taking B-50 complex that has Biotin in it as recommended by my MO for some numbness... numbness is gone, so I guess it is working.Very little biotin in the vitamin so not sure it makes a difference. I do use John Freda Root Awakening shampoo... 

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited July 2011

    Bdavis - I take 10,000 mcg of Biotin daily and have been since I finished chemo.  My hair is growing faster post chemo than before.  I buy it at any natural food stores, GNC, Walgrens, Rite Aid, Target, etc.  The key is to get the supplement without additives - no other supplements mixed in with it.  I still have chemo fog so it is hard for me to get my thoughts across sometimes.

  • YamahaMama
    YamahaMama Member Posts: 221
    edited July 2011

    Betsy and Jancie, is the Biotin for neuropathy of the feet and fingers?  If so, I should try picking some of that up...  Actually, I still have a lot of numbness in the arm and underarm from the node removal, so I wonder if it would help there? 

    I can't remember for sure what product the hairdresser recommended, because I stopped in for just a wigliner that day, and she showed me a product that she recommends.  I think it was around $30 or so, so I skipped it that day.  BUT, I finished chemo today, so I'm headed over there in the morning.  GROW, BABY GROW!!!  Laughing

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited July 2011

    I don't know if Biotin would help neuropathy - everyone that I know that takes it does so because it helps your hair grow faster and stronger.

    Gabapentin is one of the drugs that many women have taken for neuropathy as it helps with the "zings" of the nerve endings that are repairing, etc.  I personally did not get neuropathy but I was on Gabapentin for Shingles the entire time I was taking Taxol and my oncologist believes there is some correlation between the gabapentin and taxol and why I didn't get neuropathy.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited July 2011

    YamahaMama I used Acetyl-L-Carnitine for neuropathy when I was on chemo. I swear it helped me from getting it badly. I just have it on my left heel and it's getting better. I still take it because it's a memory booster and I swear my memory is better.

    I took biotin for years for my hair way before chemo.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited July 2011

    Yamahamama... I take B-50 complex  for the slight neuropathy I had... the B-50 has biotin in it.

  • saralmom
    saralmom Member Posts: 329
    edited July 2011

    I took Acetyl - L - Carnitine for neuropathy as well.  I was actually in a clinical trial for it, and am not positive that I didn't get a placebo, but I had and have VERY minimal neuropathy.  It's available for purchase at vitamin stores, and is apparently kind of expensive?  But in the trial I got it free.  I recommend it for neuropathy for sure.

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