I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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Oh just my kids will be over and they know how patriotic their Dad is and how much he wants to see what's best for this country.
Isn't great that we have a holiday everyone can just call the Fourth of July and know what it's about. I say that or Independence Day but how many holidays are SO special that you just have to say the date...not say what the reason for the holiday is because EVERYBODY knows already?
George M. Cohan's Yankee Doodle Dandy is one of my favorites."Born on the Fourth Of July"... although his birthday might be the fifth...Anyway...HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY!!!!
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Fourth of July or Independence Day, Happy Birthday to our country! and of course to Malia Obama, who is becoming a teenager and will be searching out her own independence. God bless the Obamas! Nothing more frustrating in the world than a 13 year old on top of all of the problems this country faces.
The flag is out as usual, no bunting, but only because I am not working and couldn't justify the cost at this time. The Coast Guard flag is also flying, in honor of my WWII Dad. Wished I had had a Canadian flag on Friday, but hopefully will remedy that by next year.
Hope everyone is enjoying their holiday weekend. It has been raining here, but hopefully it will be out of here so that we can enjoy the fireworks tonight. Smoked roasting hen, potato salad, roast asparagus,and corn on the cob is on the menu here.
Happy Fourth of July!
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Music I'm listening to today:
from the Cleveland Orchestra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi6geEfA-KA
Star-Spangled Banner (with everybody but the cellists standing, and the conductor singing along, brings a lump to my throat)
and Fanfare for the Common Man -- always brings tears to my eyes. Aaron Copland wrote this in 1942 when the U.S. entered World War II, especially in honor of people like IJBCA's Dad.
Happy Fourth, everybody!
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It begins, "When in the course of human events . . ."
and it ends, "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."
May the United States of America continue to thrive on our sharing of our lives and fortunes for the well being of one another and the common good of the Union! However you understand divine Providence, whatever your Fortune consists of, you are part of this great nation, woven into its story and weaving together its future.
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Revkat
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Thumbs up, Revkat!
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Awesome Revkat!
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Just listened to Dvorak's New World Symphony -- always makes me tear up. Nothing can stir the emotions like good music......Ann, I have the same response to Copland's Fanfare.
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Happy 4th of July......we will have a house and backyard full of family, friends and neighbors over. Start about 2:00 and continue on until late this evening. This is one of the best celebrations we have during the year. Everyone be safe and have a wonderful day!
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Thanks, summer! Getting ready to head to Cafe Prima Pasta in North Beach. 1/2 price from 5-6.
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Hi All!! Just popping in to say hello and Happy 4th!
I will be comforting my kitty and puppy as undoubtedly the neighborhood "kids" will be setting off illegal fireworks as soon as the sun sets.
Enjoy your evening!!
Diane
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We are visiting & house-cleaning (still). Hubs and I are going to watch the local fireworks display tonight. (Bought a new can of skeeter spray, just in case.) Supper was 4th-style: brats (bratwurst) grilled over charcoal, fresh sweet corn, potatoes, cranberry sauce (just 'cause I like it).
We've filled a 15-cubic-yard dumpster a few days ago, and will easily fill a U-Haul trailer a few days from now.
Happy 4th to all (and sorry I missed the Canada Day festivities)!
otter
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I cleaned a house today - I know it was a holiday but I clean 2 houses every week and this week is totally booked up getting ready for the horse show so the guy said I could go ahead and clean it. I then rode my horse, got home and dinner was cooked!
Back to watching Casey Anthony Trial - it has been turned over to the jury. They deliberated almost 6 hours today without a verdict.
Hope everyone had a great day!
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Jancie, how's your hip?
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Lindasa - I am ignoring it! Seriously I am hesitant to take pain meds right now with all of the horse riding I am doing - it does slow my reaction time. I so want to take a percocet but tomorrow I will be cussing myself if I do. It hurt to drive that 45 minutes home today because it is too difficult to sit on my left cheek when I have a stick shift.
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Listening to Stars and Stripes Forever
Be kind to your webfooted friends...
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No 4th of July is complete for me without the 1812 Overture and Stars and Stripes Forever. And I can look down onto the plains of Denver and surrounding communities and watch their fireworks from up here. Not as dramatic, but still pretty cool to see them going up all over the Front Range!
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...for a duck could be somebody's mother
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Rosemary is a lot of somebodies mother!
Be kind to your friends in the swamp .....
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Oucch - I had a whole thread deleted!!! in the you know where forum

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What??? The one about the perils of an alternative only approach?
Susie - did you get a note from the mods as to why? I didn't click on the links in the thread but I read the text of the few posts and saw nothing amiss, to say the least.
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Yes - need I say more - the moderators wrote and said they thought it was inviting fighting again.
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I wrote back and told them people need to know the truth about alternative treatments and they should get rid of one thread that wastes lots of server space ie one with lots of pictures
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Here's what they wrote:
Hi susieq58:
As you know, we went through some troubled times in the Alternative category of the boards over the last while. Thankfully, we had achieved a new calm, and we're eager to maintain it. Members may not respect the other side's treatment decisions, but they're at least seeming to respect each other. A good example of that was your recent "Survivors who had chemo etc and are into Complementary medicine."
Unfortunately, your new thread "What choosing only alternative treatment can do to you" is just getting the disagreements going again. It would be helpful if you would agree to remove the thread as a step to keep things more positive.
Thanks,
Judith and the Mods
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IMO, they should have kept a close eye on that thread and locked it (not shut it down) if things got out of hand. Stepping in too early is as problematic as stepping in too late. Sorry it happened to you, Susieq.
They tried to tell us not to discuss politics but that was impossible to police. Discussing alternative approaches, from whatever perceptive, must be permitted (just as criticizing chemo and rads should be permitted without the person getting creamed).
People don't understand that this is not a forum for medical advice, and we are not experts. This is a support forum to share our experiences. People should be able to say what they want. And any reader, newbie included, should be aware that this is a place to share and even discuss information, but not to get a medical opinion. I am always shocked when I see posts of people asking whether they should do this or that treatment and responses saying "do it" or "don't do it." There should be a disclaimer that this is not a place for medical advice and that posters beware. We can point people to the literature, inform them of general practice but we should NEVER say "do this - it worked for me." Ratherm a person can say: "this worked for me, I don't know if it will work for you, so ask your doctor."
If BCO had a visible disclaimer to that effect, it might help. The "don't do it" chemo thread could have been locked early in the game and susie's thread would have been allowed to survive.
Anyway, I am getting off topic here...
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Thanks for your support Athena - I was so outraged at what happened to that woman - it was actually the subject of a coroner's enquiry here - should never have been allowed to happen - she should have had surgery. Unfortunately the "attackers" came out and started posting alternative stuff and wammo. Granted, it was a bowel cancer case, but very relevant to anyone considering an alternative treatment plan for bc.
Sue -
Time for bed - catch up in the morning - night night

Sue
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I was wondering what time it was down under. :-) Have a good night!
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Sue, I don't see how you were intentionally "inviting trouble"--are YOU responsible for how other people respond? I think not. I saw that thread as a balance to the threads that say "don't do chemo or rads, they'll kill you" (and then give an article on how someone DID die from conventional treatment.)
As adults, we all know that the extremes can happen. But they are outliers. Nonetheless, it could be ME as that outlier, so I need all information I can get to make my decisions. I am less likely, personally, to go solely with "anecdotal" stuff (like, "my neighbor's thrid cousin's best friend did such and such and now she's dead/alive/whatever!") But, if I react strongly to a post, it's more MY issue than the OPs.
Anyway, that's just my take. Sorry they jumped on you and closed you down. I think they are so happy that everyone's in Wonderland right now (so they can catch their breath!) that anything remotely controversial will be eliminated.
Off to work!
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Morning Everyone!
Anne .. loved your last paragraph ... Wonderland is exactly where they seem to be right now.
Hope everyone has a great day!
Bren
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