Low Body Temperature anyone?
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Mollyann: Thank you for the vote of confidence--I didn't really have time to reply yesterday. I believe that the body is a complicated machine but that it can be fine tuned to run properly with the right support. I think the Iodine research is so important for survivors of BC. I wish that just taking this would fix my low temp issues. Is this all you did to bring yours up and were you taking the recommended 50 mg for prevention with the required supplements or did you do other things, too?
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Just found this on line: Body temperature is the foundation of good health. A low body temperature is a strong indication that there is something wrong that can be fixed. Just like a fever (high body temperature) is a good indicator that "something's wrong" and can cause people to feel terrible, so can a low body temperature. A low body temperature is more than enough to explain many health problems, such as: Fatigue, headaches, migraines, PMS, easy weight gain, depression, irritability, fluid retention, anxiety and panic attacks, hair loss, poor memory, poor concentration, low sex drive, unhealthy nails, dry skin and hair, cold intolerance, heat intolerance, low motivation, low ambition, insomnia, allergies, acne, carpal tunnel syndrome, asthma, odd swallowing sensations, constipation, irritable bowel syndrome, muscle and joint aches, slow healing, sweating abnormalities, Raynaud's Phenomenon, itchiness, irregular periods, easy bruising, ringing of the ears, flushing, bad breath, dry eyes/blurred vision, and more.
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MJB, Boy that is a long list of health problems a low body temp can cause. It's very similar to the list for someone with thyroid problems which also causes low body temp.
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kira: Yes, you are correct! They are related but rather then taking medications (I tried this and it didn't work) the idea is to reset your body so you don't need the medications.
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So glad you started this thread, MBJ. I was diagnosed (finally) as being hypothyroid and was prescribed Synthroid, which I refused to fill. I asked for Armor instead. I started taking it but quit because I dont want to be dependent on drugs for the rest of my life. This topic gives me hope that the Armor can be just a tool to get my temps up and stay there.
DebRox, looks like you were in a vicious cycle; bacteria, then antibiotics, then yeast, then diflucan. We all have yeast in our bodies (our intestinal tracts, etc). The key is to have a balance of the "good" bacteria and yeasts. But chemicals and meds such as antibiotics kill the "good" bacteria thus allowing the yeast to grow out of control. It all becomes a vicious circle. I know I have yeast overgrowth and have started taking probiotics to try to get the good bacteria back. They have helped my digestive symptoms immensely (As long as I take them, I dont have constipation which is something those of us with low body temp all probably struggle with.). Do you take probiotics? I've read that anyone who has ever taken antibiotics would be helped a great deal by replacing the good bacteria.
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impositive: I started it out of frustration as I have a combination of adrenal exhaustion & low thyroid. I was told it can take years to recover from adrenal exhaustion and that's just too long!
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Same here, MBJ, are you having any success with this method? I'm going to get a Vicks thermo and start tracking my temps. This may be difficult, as NOT using the A/C when you live with others who have normals temps is just not doable but I'll just make do with my sauna and a space heater I guess..
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impositive: Well, I tried to do a reset two weeks agoo and it was successful but I was over ambitious and didn't realize I could not expose myself to any stress, i.e. air conditioning, for two weeks and my temp crashed and I have been struggling ever since. I had to use pills the first time and today I used the pills to try again and hopefully I won't be an idiot this time so that it actually sticks. The first two weeks are crucial, then the next two or three months you have to be careful to not let your temp crash and then after that you just have to monitor yourself whenever it's cold out. This requires a lot of dressing slightly warm and never letting the body get chilled-always have a coat handy. Crossing my fingers that this time it works. I have the same problem-my husband is dying with the heat so the bathroom & bedroom are my hot rooms. Failure is not an option! This would be impossible to do while working especially in an ac'd room.
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Since I was not able to use the hot shower, coffee, heater etc method to raise my almost always low temperature, yet the next day it was 37C all day despite not doing anything, I decided I could probably raise my temperature through will power alone. Call it Biofeedback if you like, the feedback being the thermometer.
In the past I have experimented with changing different things with limited success, mostly because I lose interest. One area that always worked for me for decades was waking myself in the morning, even as early as 5am to get to the airport. I would set an alarm to go off 5 minutes later as a backup then turn it off when I predictably woke on time. I always woke on time when I worked after I started this method.
So now I have declared my intention to experiment with raising my temperature through willpower alone, hopefully I won't lose interest as I feel it's important for health in so many ways. Today I've been on 36.6 all day which is closer to normal than my usual 36C, so I'm getting there.
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Joylieswithin: If I could do this with willpower alone...I have been like this, I am guessing, for almost my entire life. It got worse after a car accident 5 years ago and even worse after BC and all of the surgeries. Today I did the reset method using a combination of T3 & T4 but only for one day. The next two weeks will be telling. If I can get my temp up a little more each day during this time without allowing it to crash, then get past the 2 or 3 month mark, then maybe I can figure out to reset for life. Until I used the pills, I could only get my temp up in a hot shower. The key is to get up in the morning and the most important thing is to get your temp up and then keep it up for as long as you can. I could not do this if I had a job to go to.
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Hi MBJ, I guess I've had this for my whole life too. When I first went to the site you mentioned a week ago my temperature was 35.8C / 96.4F and the next morning it was the same temp. I've always had a low temp, BP and a slow pulse, usually 60bpm while resting.
I don't suggest anyone else try using will power alone as I have no idea how it works, but I do believe that a lot more of our health could be affected by our stress levels, attitude, beliefs and more, but it's a very hard thing to study as even I don't even know how I'm bringing my temperature up. It could return to the usual low levels tomorrow for all I know.
Note well, this does not mean I believe we negatively thought our way to BC which I find a very blaming, offensive idea when anyone dares to say that to cancer patients.
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joylieswithin: I do find myself "willing" my temp up every day. I picture myself pushing the mercury up on a thermometer, lol. I do not recommend using one of those! It feels like I am retraining my mind and my body to get in agreement on this.
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I thought that I should also mention Adrenal Fatigue or Exhaustion. This was my diagnosis right before I found my lump and I suspect I have had a mild version of it all of my life. Doing all this research has been quite an eye opener. Adrenal Fatigue can make your body temp go wacko--up and down at extremes and tends to be high at night which makes it impossible to sleep and down during the day which causes horrible fatigue because you are operating at a sleeping temperature. For more info, this site has all you ever wanted to know about Adrenal Fatigue--Chemo can alos cause this: www.DrLam.com
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MBJ - we've been chatting for almost a year! You have a good mind! I too, love the processes of the body and find them fascinating. I wish I had studied medicine instead of drugs for 8 years, lol !!
Anyway, on the other threads I wrote that I've been getting sicker since my last chemo in October 2010. All the symptoms listed, and lately I've been snapping at my friends! Frustration x 10000! I eat well, take plenty of vitamins and walk my foster dog 3x a day. I should be fine. NOT ! D*** F**ing Cancer.
Many specialists, many mri's, blood tests, exams, xrays, etc, etc all came back negative. I can't work, sleep, walk or have a sensible conversation. I'm not getting smarter, like you are !! Anyway, I saw my pcp again to review all the newest negative tests and she reluctantly said that its not on most doctor's radar, but adrenal fatigue can cause all my problems. Thyroid can contribute but not necessarily the cause. Mine is .90 (.40 - 4.5 mlU/L) so lowish, but not alarming. My temp runs 96.0 - 97.6. No dr has EVER mentioned it being a problem. I used to run 99.6 in my teens.
ok, getting to the point,my doctor said the elements show up in my blood tests, but may not be synthesizing to assist in bodily functions. I ordered the special formula of vitamins/minerals/electrolytes and the adrenal gland essence w/o hormones. I only know something is missing, and I am sick. I am working on getting my temp up w/staying warmer, lying in the sun and imagining my temp going up, hot coffee and no icy cold drinks. I never liked them cold anyway. Oh yeah, she also gave me a B-12 shot and I feel more energetic. I can have them weekly if they help. Let's keep supporting each other and hopefully all get to feeling wonderful and enjoying life again!
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tnbcRuth: I am so glad you found a dr. who acknowledges the low body temp! The question I always ask is do I feel better warmer or colder? You are lucky you live somewhere hot! The moderator on the body temp reset has never worked with someone with adrenal issues so I am his first. I would take your temp 3-4 times a day: once in the morning before getting out of bed, once right after eating breakfast, once right after getting out of the shower and once at the end of the day. I do it more often, but it will give you a good idea as to what your body is doing. Severe adrenal exhaustion will have your body temp working like a yo yo--once your body temp is stable, you can do a reset. The moderator will ask you for all your blood work to see where you are at and to help guide you. Hardest thing I have ever done but I feel the pay off is huge!
I am lucky-my friend in the UK who was 3 months ahead of me in her BC & UniMX started me down this path and she has been at 98.6 with very few glitches for 7 months now and she was way worse then I am and couldn't get out of bed and also had heart issues from chemo. I figure if she can do this so can I.
I agree, let's keep helping each other get through this! Life should be enjoyed, not endured!!!
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So far so good-I have had my temp up since 9 am this morning and holding strong with the help of warm clothes and a heater. The first two weeks are crucial and will require very high maintenance on my part: a space heater and dressing slightly warm is really important. So is eating something every couple of hours. This eating often should also boost your metabolism which also helps in keeping your temp up.
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Adrenal Fatigue: I have a very strange situation where my body wants to run cold during the day and warm at night so I am trying to re-set my circadian rhythm. Melatonin seemed to also mess with my daytime temp (it works by lowering your body temp so you can sleep) so I had to go off of it. One of the benefits of running at 98.6 during the day is that you will sleep better at night. Not sure how I will get my body to agree to run at 97.4 instead of either 98.3 or 96.9 F but I hope the reset will fix this.
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I think the 'closed in' feeling from having to have cancer treatment adds to our imbalance, you know, like when you're real sick and you withdraw? The TE's had me dancing with pain and I would just sit very very still and try to be super quiet so it wouldn't hurt so much. 8 days in the hospital stressed the s**t out of me....care was horrible and I didn't have an advocate. Sitting for 6 months thru treatments, pain and brain fog also contributes to imbalances. I am not sure how some people bounce back so easily...maybe stronger systems. I also think the chemo poison tricks our bodies into thinking they're 'dying' as it destroys this and that...and do a premature shut-down. That's part of my mental exercise...I'm alive! My body temp is 98.6! Breathe deep! Basically tell myself I'm OK.
How does your thought process go?
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This is off the main topic, but interesting and has to do with body temperature. The June 27 Time Magazine has a report on people who have sleep problems. Researchers report that cooling the brain may help problem sleepers drift off faster and sleep longer. The troubled sleepers wore specially designed caps that circulated water at cool temperatures. The chillier the water, the better those with insomina slept. This supports earlier findings that restless sleepers show higher than normal brain activity when they are trying to go to sleep, which raises their brain's temperature just as the body starts to cool off at the end of the day to promote sleep. So we want cool brains at night anyway!
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ruthbru: This is interesting and not surprising! Unfortunately, when you have low body temp, most people run not only too cold during the day but too cold at night. I seem to have trouble shutting down at night and getting my body to cool down but then I have the additional problem where when I finally do cool down in the middle of the night my body temp drops really low-95.5 to 96.9-which causes me to breakout in a cold sweat. I sometimes wake up and the bed is soaked and I am shivering. I have been known to change clothes several times a night and sometimes out of exaspersation I get up, dress extremely warm, grab my space heater and head for the living room couch because now the bed is too wet.
tnbcRuth: Interesting you should bring up the point about the body thinking it's dying. In very simple terms, the body somehow decides at a certain point that running at 98.6 is dangerous and so it fights with you when you want to bring your temp back up to this point. When I was in my car accident the thought that went through my brain was: So this is how I die-imagine my shock when I was still alive! I shook uncontrollably for hours afterwards and this is when my brain quit working and I started having serious problems. Unfortunately I had never heard of the body temp connection. I feel that if I had reset then, I never would have ended up with BC because my body would have fought it off! So in answer to your question, the mind is a very powerful piece to this puzzle and I think it's important to focus on the goal of 98.6 and for the body to learn that it isn't dangerous to operate at this temperature.
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The mind body connection is intriguing and apparently very potent. I too wish I could master it. Like you Joy, I quickly loose interest and my mind wanders. I do try though and and Im getting better at it.
TnbcRuth, I love your analogy of chemo tricking your body into thinking it's dying. I actually think cancer is just that. I believe because of our low temps (among other things), our bodies are getting the signal to die.
I think cancer and fungus are intimately linked. Fungi's job is to decompose. We have yeast (fungus) that lives in our gut and when we die, the yeast mutates to its mold form and does it's intended job. It takes over and decomposes our remains, just like a piece of bread molding. Dust to dust...it's fungi's job. ( A little morbid...sorry). When our body temps are low, I wonder if the fungi get the message that it's time to start doing their job and we begin to mold (cancer). Most of us are overrun with candida (fungus) in the first place which could exacerbate the problem. It may seem far fetched to some but that is my mental picture.
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I'm finding this thread very interesting. I know I've had a low body temp for at least 24 years. I started keeping track of my temp back then when I was trying to get pregnant. Over the years when I randomly take my temp it's always at 97.? not 98.6. My blood pressure has always been low except for the day I went to get the scan results from my onc and I was so scared about what he might tell me. I'm keeping much better track now. I've started a journal and am trying to get through the reading on low body temp. I'm recording my blood pressure when they take it at chemo. I'm going to join you ladies and see if I can raise it up. I know that the day after my last chemo it was nice out and I pushed myself to get the yard work done before I crashed with nasty SEs. My body temp went up tp 98.4 that day and my SEs were so much better. I'm thinking now that this makes sense. This morning I took your advice and had sausage and eggs for breakfast, a hot cup of green tea with lemon, wore my slippers and a sweater and my body temp just went up from 97.3 to 98.5 in 45 mins. Lets see if I can keep it there all day.
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Ok so I think I have a low body temp, yesterday at my herceptin it was 97, since then i have had a fever that without motrin has gotten up to 101.1, with the motrin it has been 99.7. Should I go to the ER, our copayment is really high!! This sucks!!!
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geogal: I don't know anything about Herceptin but I know with chemo, if you ran a fever it was a signal to call the dr. Funny thing is, a fever is our body's way of killing something that is wrong with us so fevers are a very important part of the body's immune function. But I am not a dr.-do you have a number you can call? I hate to give advice on something I know absolutely nothing about which is herceptin.
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sukie: The fact that you could get your temp up at all is a really good sign! I was unable to without pills. I would monitor your temp over the next two weeks-see what brings it up and what makes it crash, In order to reset you have to be really aware of what your body is doing and you have ot be able to get to the point where you can pretty much guess when it drops at anytime so you can take remedies to get it back up. Usually, if your temp drops for more then 20 minutes below 98.6 you are done for the day and your adrenals get exhausted. Eating every couple of hours is very helpul and so are warm liquids though I wouldn't do more then one coffee a day-too much caffeine.
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impositive: I completely agree with you that at low body temps the body starts to decompose but it's more complicated then that. The body has learned a way to survive and even though it makes us ill the body thinks it knows best. So the trick is to teach your body that, no, running lower then 98.6 is not working and you prove this by getting up to 98.6 without anything bad happening. Do this often enough and the body "remembers" to go there. It should kill pretty much anything that's going wrong in the body once you bring your temp up.
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MBJ, thanks for starting this fascinating thread! I'm still learning here.
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Hi Rennasus! It is very fascinating to me, too. It's such a simple thing but affects us so profoundly.
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Here is a recap of my progress: Thursday I did the pill method of reset which was necessary as my temp won't come up on it;s own except in the shower. Held for 5 hours yesterday without the pills and I held for 8 hours today. It is exhausting to do this. I feel completely wiped out but looking forward to the day where this is my normal temp and I don't have to force it up. It can take 2-3 months of forcing it up to 98.6 before it continues to do so automatically upon getting up in the morning and it may mean a year of maintenence i.e. being constantly aware of the signs that you are losing temp so you can bring it back up.
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So my experiment today went pretty well. I learned a lot about how my body is functioning. Basically after achieving 98.5 after breakfast this morning my temp dropped to 97.6 within an hour after that. So I ate an apple and it went up to 98.3 (not bad) within an hour back down to 97.4.This is pretty much is how my day went. It seems that the only way to keep my temp in the 98 range is to eat a little something at least every hour. In my case when I got into the 98 range I would get this terrible urge to nap. I resisted. When my temp dropped the tiredness went away. I'm thinking I've been functioning at a low temp for so long when I start to get to a normal temp my body reacts by trying to shut down. Just a theory. I kept myself very warm all day. I was actually so warm I was sweating. Tomorrow I'm going to try staying warm and eating a little something every hour all day instead of having a meal. I've worked shift work most of my life and rarely ate at regular times. Maybe I messed up some internal clock along the way.
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