Understanding Tumor Grade and Why It Matters

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1Athena1
1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696

I'm not sure where to put this because it cuts across diagnoses, but there have been a lot of questions lately about tumor grade, which is thankfully getting increased attention because of the prognostic value and the clues it might provide as to treatment.

So here are some resources and definitions regarding tumor grade which I hope are helpful. Some are from this very web site.

First, with the basics:

What is TUMOR GRADE:

Tumor grade is a system used to classify cancer cells in terms of how abnormal they look under a microscope and how quickly the tumor is likely to grow and spread. Many factors are considered when determining tumor grade, including the structure and growth pattern of the cells. The specific factors used to determine tumor grade vary with each type of cancer.....Tumor grade should not be confused with the stage of a cancer. Cancer stage refers to the extent or severity of the cancer, based on factors such as the location of the primary tumor, tumor size, number of tumors, and lymph node involvement (spread of cancer into lymph nodes). (More information about staging is available in the National Cancer Institute fact sheet Cancer Staging.) ....        Source: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/detection/tumor-grade

(National Cancer Institute. Be careful when reading the rest of the page in the above link, because it refers to all cancers - not just breast.)

In the US, the Scarff-Bloom-Richardson (SBR) index has traditionally been most commonly used to calculate turmor grade. Tumor grade is associated with prognosis, but there are other prognostic yardsticks, including the Nottingham Grading System, which has been more common in Europe but is also used here with growing frequency. SBR was on my pathology report. Nottingham will appear after surgery because of the added considerations in its scaling system. Nottingham is a modification and improvement of the SBR, as I understand it, because it has better prognostic value.

First, here is THE SCARFF-BLOOM-RICHARDSON INDEXThe SBR index is calculated in the following way:Mitotic rate: A measure of how fast cancer cells are dividing and growing. To find the mitotic rate, the number of cells dividing in a certain amount of cancer tissue is counted. Higher mitotic rates are linked with lower survival rates. Also called MR. Source: http://www.cancer.gov/dictionary?expand=MNuclear grade (or nuclear pleomorphism):  An evaluation of the size and shape of the nucleus in tumor cells and the percentage of tumor cells that are in the process of dividing or growing. Cancers with low nuclear grade grow and spread less quickly than cancers with high nuclear grade. (Score: grades 1-3) Source: http://www.cancer.gov/dictionary?expand=NTubule Formation - the percentage of carcinoma composed of tubular structures.Each of these three characteristics is graded with scores of 1-3, 3 signaling the most advanced/aggressive characteristic. The scores are then added and overall tumor grade in the Scarff-Bloom-Richardson is given.

Grade 1
(lowest) Well-differentiated breast cells;
cells generally appear normal
and are not growing rapidly;
cancer arranged in small tubules. Scores 3,4,5 Grade 2 Moderately-differentiated breast cells;
have characteristics between
Grade 1 and Grade 3 tumors. Scores 6,7 Grade 3
(highest) Poorly differentiated breast cells;
Cells do not appear normal and tend to
grow and spread more aggressively. Scores 8,9 Source: http://www.imaginis.com/breast-health/histologic-grades-of-breast-cancer-helping-determine-a-patient-s-outcome-2

The Nottingham prognostic index (NPI),10 has become widely used for the treatment of patients with breast cancer in the United Kingdom,11 and its validity has been confirmed in other independent studies.12-14 The NPI has been recognized as the only appropriately validated prognostic index in breast cancer.15 In NPI, grade and LN [MY NOTE: LN = LYMPH NODE] stage has equal weighting. However in another prognostic index (Kalmar prognostic index5) histologic grade is given a high weighting value (1.57), which is higher than that for LN stage (0.79) or size (0.31). In addition, the clinical contribution of grade has become more important as a consequence of earlier detection of breast cancer through mammographic screening and increase self awareness, which have resulted in a shift in stage distribution with lower median size of 2 cm or smaller16,17 and greater proportion of LN negative tumors at presentation.18

Histologic grading is now part of the minimum data set for breast cancer pathology reporting produced by the United Kingdom Royal College of Pathologists19 and European Commission,20 and is endorsed by the WHO21 and the College of American Pathologists.22

Source: http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/26/19/3153.full

Adjuvantonline has an interesting analysis of histologic grade. In an analysis, they conclude: 

Clearly histologic grade is a powerful but somewhat subjective parameter.  This has led to varying views on whether to use it. To some extent histological grading has been held to a higher standard than tumor size and estimates of number of positive nodes, both of which we have relatively little information about the precision of measurement, and for which there is probably more variability in measurement than generally appreciated. In the SEER data histologic grade is a very powerful prognostic parameter despite variation in its measurement. 

Note: SEER = Data on tumor registries collected by the National Cancer Institute to analyse death rates from BC)

Source: https://www.adjuvantonline.com/breasthelp0306/breastindex.html (link might not work unless you are logged in to Adjuvant!)

Finally, there are other measurements that might appear on some people's pathology reports but not others (mine included) and the validity of these characteristics is not universally accepted:

(A) pathology report may include information about the rate of cell growth - what proportion of the cancer cells within the tumor are growing and dividing to form new cancer cells. A higher percentage suggests a faster-growing, more aggressive cancer, rather than a slower, "laid back" one. Tests that can measure the rate of growth include:

  • S-phase fraction: This number tells you what percentage of cells in the sample are in the process of copying their genetic information, or DNA. This S-phase, short for "synthesis phase," happens just before a cell divides into two new cells. A result of less than 6% is considered low, 6-10% intermediate, and over 10% high.
  • Ki-67: Ki-67 is a protein in cells that increases as they prepare to divide into new cells. A staining process can measure the percentage of tumor cells that are positive for Ki-67. The more positive cells there are, the more quickly they are dividing and forming new cells. In breast cancer, a result of less than 10% is considered low, 10-20% borderline, and high if over 20%.

Although the S-phase fraction and Ki-67 level may provide you and your doctor with useful information, these tests are not always reliable. Experts don't yet agree on how to use the results when making treatment decisions.                                                                                Source: http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/diagnosis/rate_grade.jsp

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited June 2011
    ....and the formatting is all wrong. My apologies. For clarity: the source is listed at the end of each bit of information and thus refers to the text above it.
  • flannelette
    flannelette Member Posts: 984
    edited June 2011

    Thanks so much, Athena. I've always been confused here because I got a 9, while the Americans  get 1 to 3. I'm in Canada. We tend to go with the Brits. But I did know from the getgo that 9 was the worst score for hooliganism you could get. 

    Arlene

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited June 2011

    I had a Bloom-Richardson score of 8 out of 9. (Wish I had done that well on maths tests at school.) Very nicely placed at grade 3 (nuclear -3, mitotic-3, tubule-2). The fact that I have no noticeable signs of mets is very encouraging for that reason, being as I am more than 2 yeards out from dx. 

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited June 2011

    I scored the highest in every category and I always did well at maths :)

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited June 2011

    LOL! Sorry to hear about the cancer score, though.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited June 2011

    Yes, not a good score and HER2+ve but no LVI and clean nodes, so I can only think I'm lucky it was found early.

  • thats-life-
    thats-life- Member Posts: 1,075
    edited June 2011

    hi athena, thanks for the info, i wasnt graded, a financial decision by pathologists according to my onc....what?? i would like to know the grade!, told onc that, she said she would ask if it can be done from biopsy samples kept in lab, but she thinks not, as they have been 'stained'...anyway, i was told this: "there were not many cancer cells in the samples"...is that a good thing?..who knows..i wonder if there is another test that could be done without another biopsy?.

  • timerdog
    timerdog Member Posts: 159
    edited June 2011

    I had a discussion about grade with my onc  yesterday. He said grade is "subjective" that means that the time ( how long did the tumor sit around, was it a friday then looked at on Monday?) method, and the pathologist all factor into the grade mark. He relies more on the Oncotype then the grade. To bad for me because I had a grade2 , and a high (27) Oncotype score.

  • MarieKelly
    MarieKelly Member Posts: 591
    edited June 2011
    Thats-life,  I can't imagine that not grading a tumor would have anything at all to do with financial concerns, but it doesn't matter in your case anyway. Sound like they're simply using the TNM staging system which doesn't incorporate grade into the equation.  For those who are diagnosed at stage III or IV, knowing the grade wouldn't change anything in regards to treatment so perhaps that's really why they didn't bother to grade it.  I can certainly understand wanting to know the grade, I would want to know too.  However, you can pretty much safely assume it's higher grade - possibly grade 2 and probably grade 3 if you already had distant mets at diagnosis because a small, low grade tumor would be very unlikely to present as grade IV.
  • thats-life-
    thats-life- Member Posts: 1,075
    edited June 2011

    MK, thanks for that, the onc admitted a financial issue with grading in the public health system, which im in, maybe yes, at stage IV, it is not considered necessary at stage IV financially or otherwise,...but i wish they had said to me what you just did!..it would be nice to have some idea...as i thought the aggressiveness was still relevant, but maybe not at stage IV, who knows, i dont...its like getting blood out of a stone sometimes in that clinic...:)

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited June 2011

    Thatslife, public system or not, it is standard procedure to stage in Australia........some one is telling you porkies.  Medicare covers all pathology for cancer.

    Love n hugs.  Chrissy

  • thats-life-
    thats-life- Member Posts: 1,075
    edited June 2011

    hi chrissy, stage yes, but there was NO grade done, my new onc searched and searched in file and nope....i asked why..she said it would be a financial issue...porkies..lol...what arent they telling me then? do they think i would be more afraid of the grade than the stage IV? or maybe it was a mishap...hmmm im going to bring it up again in 2 weeks, if medicare covers it, then what the ?

  • MarieKelly
    MarieKelly Member Posts: 591
    edited June 2011
    Chrissy,  she was staged, just not graded. They don't need to know the grade to stage anyone.
  • thats-life-
    thats-life- Member Posts: 1,075
    edited June 2011

    sorry athena, dont mean to invade too much, but i just thought, maybe the pathology was done before the scans, and they thought they would be able to do more pathology from the tumours at lumpectomy, but tumours ended up staying in my breast after stage IV dx? 

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited June 2011

    Sorry Thatslife, I meant grade.  Either way it's all covered....some one dropped the ball when they did your testing.

    Love n hugs.  Chrissy

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited June 2011

    Hello, thats-life - I just saw your posts. I agree with Chrissy - you got bad service there. Having said that, as others have pointed out, tumor grade is not used in a concrete way to make treatment decisions. And for Stage IV it is a moot point anyway. 

    Grade is still a sort of back-of-the-envelope factor in a package that may influence recommendations of chemotherapy or not in borderline cases for early stage breast cancer. The oncotype test is different - it is a genomic assay used to help make decisions about whether and to what extent chemotherapy is likely to increase disease-free survival. 

    Grade elements have been speculated about when it comes to deciding on dosing and sequencing of chemo and I believe dose-dense regimens are based on ideas about cell proliferation, mitotic rate, etc... But it is still a guessing game, like so much of cancer.

    Grade should really be included formally in the staging system, which many people feel is outmoded. There is growing recognition that grade plays a part in determining how life threatening a cancer is and, while not enough is known about grading for it to be directly tied to treatment decisions, it is finally getting the respect it deserves.

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