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sandy115
sandy115 Member Posts: 172
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

I was wondering if anyone can help had sugery lumpactomey 2 weeks ago with sental node biopsy.One node came back suspicious now have to go back in to have the rest removed.This changes my treatment I was to have radation now have to have chemo as well should they be able to tell if the node was positive or not ?.Has anyone else run into this issue.

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  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited June 2011

    Sandy, sometimes the nodes slides can not be read difinitively as the cells are not typical cancer cells but they are not normal either so they read it as suspicious.  They are being cautious and would you have it any other way?  I think not and having to add chemo into your mix of treatment even though not a nice thing to have to do, you will be pleased in the long run that you have done it.  Good luck!!!

    Love n hugs.  Chrissy

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited June 2011

    Sandy, what do they mean by "suspicious?"  It would normally be either positive or negative.  And do you know if they found anything besides DCIS?  Normally DCIS doesn't travel to a node -- it would take a bit of invasive bc (such as IDC) to do that.

    If I was in your situation, I would get a second opinion before having more surgery -- especially an axillary node dissection.  The very latest research does not support removing a lot of nodes.  Please read up on this.  I'll try to find the link to that research for you tomorrow, unless someone comes along with it sooner.

    What you've been told sounds a bit odd to me.  I would suggest proceeding slowly.  Don't let them rush you into surgery until you get more information and fully understand it.

    Have you had the Oncotype-DX test?  Why are they recommending chemo for DCIS and a "suspicious" node?  Something's not quite complete about this picture.    Deanna

  • sandy115
    sandy115 Member Posts: 172
    edited June 2011

    Hi Deanna I must have my diagnoses wrong I have invasive BC I was to upset @ the Appointment on thurs to hear everything I cried the whole time.The Dr said one node was suspicious and because of that they wanted to go back in and remove more I did'nt ask how many as I was to upset my ultrsound showed no lymph involvment so I had myself convinced the nodes where all cancer free.The Dr did say it was a preventive measure so is the chemo.The Dr also did not yet have a stage for me does that come with node disection.by first biopsy said Grade 111 and the tumor was 3.7 cent.

  • sandy115
    sandy115 Member Posts: 172
    edited June 2011

    Hi Deanna we dont have Oncotype DX in Canada thats what I was told.?

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited June 2011

    Sandy, I don't think Oncotype Dx was being used in Canada, but you can call the company and ask them:

    http://www.oncotypedx.com/

    Sandy, there was a study released earlier this year for women with T2 tumors (less than 5 cm), and 1-3 positive nodes, that additional node removal did not improve survival. The presumption was that they would get chemo.

    It was published in JAMA

    http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/305/6/569.abstract

    Original Contribution
    JAMA. 2011;305(6):569-575. doi: 10.1001/jama.2011.90
    Axillary Dissection vs No Axillary Dissection in Women With Invasive Breast Cancer and Sentinel Node Metastasis
    A Randomized Clinical Trial

    Armando E. Giuliano, MD;
    Kelly K. Hunt, MD;
    Karla V. Ballman, PhD;
    Peter D. Beitsch, MD;
    Pat W. Whitworth, MD;
    Peter W. Blumencranz, MD;
    A. Marilyn Leitch, MD;
    Sukamal Saha, MD;
    Linda M. McCall, MS;
    Monica Morrow, MD

    [+] Author Affiliations

    Author Affiliations: John Wayne Cancer Institute at Saint John's Health Center, Santa Monica, California (Dr Giuliano); M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, Texas (Dr Hunt); Mayo Clinic Rochester, Rochester, Minnesota (Dr Ballman); Dallas Surgical Group, Dallas, Texas (Dr Beitsch); Nashville Breast Center, Nashville, Tennessee (Dr Whitworth); Morton Plant Hospital, Clearwater, Florida (Dr Blumencranz); University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas (Dr Leitch); McLaren Regional Medical Center, Michigan State University, Flint (Dr Saha); American College of Surgeons Oncology Group, Durham, North Carolina (Ms McCall); and Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, New York, New York (Dr Morrow).

    Abstract

    Context Sentinel lymph node dissection (SLND) accurately identifies nodal metastasis of early breast cancer, but it is not clear whether further nodal dissection affects survival.

    Objective To determine the effects of complete axillary lymph node dissection (ALND) on survival of patients with sentinel lymph node (SLN) metastasis of breast cancer.

    Design, Setting, and Patients The American College of Surgeons Oncology Group Z0011 trial, a phase 3 noninferiority trial conducted at 115 sites and enrolling patients from May 1999 to December 2004. Patients were women with clinical T1-T2 invasive breast cancer, no palpable adenopathy, and 1 to 2 SLNs containing metastases identified by frozen section, touch preparation, or hematoxylin-eosin staining on permanent section. Targeted enrollment was 1900 women with final analysis after 500 deaths, but the trial closed early because mortality rate was lower than expected.

    Interventions All patients underwent lumpectomy and tangential whole-breast irradiation. Those with SLN metastases identified by SLND were randomized to undergo ALND or no further axillary treatment. Those randomized to ALND underwent dissection of 10 or more nodes. Systemic therapy was at the discretion of the treating physician.

    Main Outcome Measures Overall survival was the primary end point, with a noninferiority margin of a 1-sided hazard ratio of less than 1.3 indicating that SLND alone is noninferior to ALND. Disease-free survival was a secondary end point.

    Results Clinical and tumor characteristics were similar between 445 patients randomized to ALND and 446 randomized to SLND alone. However, the median number of nodes removed was 17 with ALND and 2 with SLND alone. At a median follow-up of 6.3 years (last follow-up, March 4, 2010), 5-year overall survival was 91.8% (95% confidence interval [CI], 89.1%-94.5%) with ALND and 92.5% (95% CI, 90.0%-95.1%) with SLND alone; 5-year disease-free survival was 82.2% (95% CI, 78.3%-86.3%) with ALND and 83.9% (95% CI, 80.2%-87.9%) with SLND alone. The hazard ratio for treatment-related overall survival was 0.79 (90% CI, 0.56-1.11) without adjustment and 0.87 (90% CI, 0.62-1.23) after adjusting for age and adjuvant therapy.

    Conclusion Among patients with limited SLN metastatic breast cancer treated with breast conservation and systemic therapy, the use of SLND alone compared with ALND did not result in inferior survival.

    Discuss this article with your surgeon before you proceed. Don't let anyone rush you into surgery until you understand the reason and the benefit.

    Here is a question and answer section from the NY Times about this article:

    http://consults.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/breast-cancer-and-lymph-nodes-q-a/

    Kira

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited June 2011

    Oh, (((Sandy))) -- We all know that too upset to think straight feeling.  I'm so sorry you're going through this.  I had a similar experience (explained on my bio page), so I can really relate to how surreal it all is when your dx suddenly changes.  

    Have you asked for a copy of your pathology report?  It's a good idea to get copies of any test result or report for your own file.  That way, you can refer back to them as you learn more.  And, yes, being treated in Canada does seem to have some distinct differences.  Hopefully, someone from Canada will be along to comment on the Oncotype.  I didn't realize it isn't used there.

    The article Kira posted is the newest information on lymph node dissection, and I absolutely agree about discussing it with your BS.  And in no case should you let them take all your nodes.  We need them to fight infection and the more you lose, the greater your lifetime risk of developing lymphedema -- an incredibly painful and inconvenient possible SE of bc tx.

    Deanna 

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