IBC w/ bone,liver and lung mets
Hello,
My sister who just turned 40 was recently diagnosed with IBC with mets to her hips, ribs, liver and lungs. Her biopsy was done June 1. She had her oncology consultation on June 10 and the hormone receptor/HER2 results were not back yet. Oncologist told her the hip mets is of concern because they cannot start treatment until the stability of her hips is known - and she may need hip surgery before starting treatment. The soonest appointment with the Ortho Oncologist is 6/21. They will be starting bone strengthening treatment in the interim, but if she does need surgery, that will just delay treatment even further. We are all anxious for treatment to begin right away. Has anyone had any experience with this type of mets and delay in treatment. Please help! I love my sister and am so scared!
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Hi SIstery - I just wanted to respond and welcome you to these boards. I am sorry about your sister but it is wonderful that she has you looking out for her. You will get answers I know, because the people here are compassionate and caring. You might have to wait awhile to get some responses - that is often what happens but it's because people are working or not always on the computer!! Good luck to you and to your sister.
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Not sure what the oncologist will do first as I've heard chemo is usually the first treatment for ibc. It may depend on how bad her hip is. She will probably have a run of test if she has not already, like a Pet, bone scan, MRI, brain MRI.
Terri
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I'm so sorry about your sister's recent diagnosis - I know how very scary it is. I hadn't even ever heard of IBC before I was diagnosed last fall.
I will be frank with you - I think the idea of a hip surgery prior to chemo is rather scary. Especially since she has extensive mets. It seems to me, from my uneducated position, that even bed rest for several months while on chemo would be preferable to waiting for surgery. I would ask about that.
You need an experienced second opinion. There are two IBC clinics in the country - MD Anderson in Texas, and Fox Chase in Philly. If there is any possible way for a second opinion from one of these facilities, I strongly encourage you do so.
Hugs,
Pam
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Thank you everyone for your replies. She is still going through some testing. She is scheduled for the brain MRI tomorrow. I am frustrated because I feel like everything is taking so long. Why couldn't they have done the brain MRI at the same time as the regular MRI and pet scan that were done last week? She is being treated at a large university hospital. She is so strong and taking this one day at a time. Her back pain has increased so much in just the last 2 weeks. I feel so helpless and wish I could do more.
Thank you, Pam for the IBC clinic suggestion. Will absolutely be looking into that, although with her limited mobility, it may not be possible for her to actually travel. I wonder if they would do a 2nd opinion with just medical records?
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Hello sistery: It is VERY frustrating and tiring when tests are not done quickly and co-ordinated. Everyone is already stressed out with the diagnosis and worry without added hurdles. You are a great support to your sister and she is also very strong, especially when she is in pain. I hope that the medical people will be more kind and helpful to you both, sometimes they forget we are people with feelings and they could make life easier by having the tests done at the same time, instead of more than one visit and then having to get ready for the appointment, driving and parking, it all takes energy which we need for healing. Keep strong.
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I don't know about the second opinion from records, sistery. I have never been to either, as my local oncologist at the university center is absolutely excellent, and the editor of one of the most popular oncology textbooks. Under his care I was just declared free of cancer, despite the suckiness of IBC, and hope to be that way for many years. I also have some local Stage IV friends treated by him that have been NED, which stands for No Evidence of Disease, for years.
He is in Morgantown, WV, if that is any closer for you. If you must fly and decide to do it, the preeminent IBC Oncologist in the country is Dr. Masssimo Cristofanilli, who is at Fox Chase in Philadelphia.
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About "getting lost" in the university healthcare system, Chester2010 is so right. Your sister needs a medical advocate to call and try to speed things up, whether that's you, or another loved one, or even a patient advocate employed by the hospital.
I have had Pet/CT scans twice, and they did my brain MRI at the same time, both times. The machine was able to do that - not sure if it's a fancy-schmancy one or if it's essentially the same machine that does them, or what.
You seem to be a very loving and concerned sister - it just makes the world of difference to have strong, positive people around you. It definitely helps you heal!
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I just wanted to let you know that I'm here for the same reason you are, my sister also has IBC. I completely understand the fear you speak of. Because of all the fear, worry, stress, emotion, helpless feelings, etc., I've actually been physically sick. She's my daughter's only aunt and my only sister - - I'm successful most of the time at thinking positive about the outcome of all of this and I'm praying to God for survival here for her. The times that I'm not so successful with those positive thoughts, I instantly start to feel sick. So, I've got a built-in reason to think positive!
I don't speak from medical knowledge, nor experience, but I too agree that waiting to begin chemo *sounds* worrisome. At the very least, it's worth a second opinion, and third, etc., if need be. Better to play it safe, esp. w/ my understanding of IBC (& I think it's the general consensus). It's just so aggressive and unfortunately, your sister does have several mets. From lots of places, I've read how IBC can literally spread overnight, so with that in my mind, it's hard to understand when someone has to wait any amount of time to begin treatment. She may also be dealing w/ doctor/s who are basing their knowledge of BC on *just* BC. While IBC is a BC, it's also very different. Rare, which means many doctors do not have much knowledge of it, let alone how to treat it. Treatment for IBC is different. I've heard many times how important it is to find a doctor (oncologist) that has experience treating (or better yet, specializes in) IBC. And, a doc w/ that knowledge is hard to find since it's so rare. Research is much more difficult, because just to get an adequate amount of patients to study, the studies would basically have to include patients from around the world. Look at those recomendations in replies above to travel to TX (MD Anderson) or to PA (Fox Chase). While of course I know it's worth it - it's someone's life - not everyone has the means to do that just to see a doctor w/ knowledge (albeit, they are the leading experts, esp. Dr. Cristofanilli) of IBC. If money was no issue, I'd have had my sister in Dr. C's office for that 2nd opinion she had way back in Jan., '11 when she was first diagnosed, let alone having her stay in PA so he could treat her.
If you ever want another sister's support, feel free to let me know! While all the ladies here have been so supportive of and helpful to me, I'm hesitant to share *what I'm going through* as they are going through so much more! No one here has made me feel that way, I just feel bad thinking of what my sister, your sister and these wonderful ladies are going through and have gone through. Truthfully, my brother keeps reminding me "it's not about me", so I can't really talk to him about how hard this is. I'm the one my sister calls in those dark times, not him. I don't really have anyone else I can talk with about this so, while I recognize the need for loved ones to have support I do know that the patient is going through so much more.
I'm praying for you and your sister!
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HerSister,
Thank you for your message. I'm sorry about your sister's diagnosis. Like you, my sister is my only sister. She is also my best friend. I admire my sister's courage and strength through this nightmare we are living. I feel hopeful when I read about other courageous women on this forum who have responded to treatment.
My sister does not want to know more than she has to about her disease. She wants to take it one day at a time and not worry or dwell on what may happen tomorrow. I am different. I want to know as much as possible, but in doing so, I still need to respect her desire to take things one day at a time. I am a bit frustrated with her care so far. She is being treated at UCSF, and my frustration may just be from not knowing enough, however, I also work in the medical field, and I know that patients have to be their own advocates. I have some questions about my sister's treatment that I will be asking under a different thread.
Thank you for the prayers. I will also keep you and your sister in my prayers, as I do all the women on this forum and their families.
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Thank you Peggy, Terri, Pam, Chester2010, and HerSister for your replies. I really appreciate the time you took to respond to my questions. I am happy that my sister has started chemo and the radiation to her hip was successful in giving her pain relief and regained mobility. She had another scan this week that showed no significant progression from the 1st scan one month ago. I guess now we wait and hope and pray that she responds to the chemo.
Have a great weekend everyone!
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I'm so glad to hear that your sister has started chemo with good results and the radiation has given some relief. You are a such great support for your sister and we all need an advocate when we get overwhelmed and anxious. I lost my only sister to lung cancer a few years ago and I miss her terribly. I hope your sister does well and the nasty chemo stops progression.
Keep strong, God bless. Kathy
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