April 2011 chemo

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  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited June 2011

    I say we kill her now LOL just kidding , so glad you did not but man oh man I did!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Don't worry, Merilee - I'm making up for it with headaches and back pain from TDMI. I had to take a Vicodin to get through Thursday, then slept for 36 hours straight and didn't get up til Saturday morning.

    When they gave me the infusion on Wednesday they said, "Here is a list of rare side effects." I got the infusion, then headed home and experienced every single one of them. Blecch!

  • axtella
    axtella Member Posts: 88
    edited June 2011

    artiecat --- the fires are way north of me...not very well contained yet!

    Claratin and tylenol seems to work a little, just takes the edge off. It is not as bad as yesterday!

  • ginger_mea
    ginger_mea Member Posts: 264
    edited June 2011

    Regular Clariton works for me, one every evening from the night before the shot for about a week

  • CarlaB76
    CarlaB76 Member Posts: 74
    edited June 2011

    Gosh, last time I used Claritin and Percocet and it still did not give me full relief.  Took the edge off, yes.  But there were still days I could barely walk.  #4 and final AC tomorrow...WOOT.  This time, instead of neulasta, we're going to try three shots of neupogen on Friday, Monday, and Tuesday to see if that helps relieve the bone pain agony. Fingers crossed. 

    I do have cough and slight stuffy nose and I'm hoping my WBC from Friday is good enough for the infusion tomorrow to move forward.  I'm so scared of delays.  I need this done and behind me...we all do.  Then I can start Taxol.  September 22 can't come fast enough!

    Have a good week everyone!

  • kg1234
    kg1234 Member Posts: 95
    edited June 2011

    Hey Ladies,

    Back in the chair tomorrow for Taxol #2, of 12 (weekly).  Not nervous at all.  Bone pain this week was manageable.  Was able to get out, do things, feel mostly normal.  A little tired for sure. But otherwise, better than I expected.  100 million times better than AC (so far....). I've heard taxol is cummulative?  Does anyone know if that is true?

    Carla are you doing weekly taxol?  Good luck with AC tomorrow.  You can close that door forever once it's done. 

    Axtella, glad it's not as bad as yesterday.  Hang in there...Since you go every two week, hopefully you will have a good week this week coming up.

    Cheers, and stay strong,

    Kg

  • CarlaB76
    CarlaB76 Member Posts: 74
    edited June 2011

    KG, yes, I'll be doing weekly taxol for 12 weeks.  Supposed to start up on July 7th.

  • pawprintgirl24
    pawprintgirl24 Member Posts: 173
    edited June 2011

    hi everyone! going for #4 today!! #3 was a breeze so keeping my fingers crossed that #4 will be also. goodluck to all today with SE! hopeing for none!!!

    (((hugs to all)))

  • axtella
    axtella Member Posts: 88
    edited June 2011

    Bone pain is much better today although here I am at work and I rather be home in bed! I still feel like an old lady and I'm sure I look like one when I am walking around!

  • BernieEllen
    BernieEllen Member Posts: 2,445
    edited June 2011

    Thanks windlass, the clutch went on my car this morning, but with DH off work ican use his.  Funny ol'  world

  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited June 2011

    Paw print girl, you are almost there! Good luck today!

  • Sarah246
    Sarah246 Member Posts: 53
    edited June 2011

    Hi everyone

    Go in tomorrow to get port checked out because they can't seem to access it. Anyone have any idea what they do when you go to have your port fixed? So far no one has told me they plan to operate again. No one has told me not to eat or drink before the appointment tomorrow. It's a mystery what they are going to do to get this port back where it can be accessed.

  • axtella
    axtella Member Posts: 88
    edited June 2011

    Sarah246 --

    I have had issues with my port the past two times I had my infusion. My port has rotated or turned somehow. I have to lay down in order for them to access mine. Sometimes the nurse can get it moved back to a place where it can be accessed. My type of port is a Power Port. It has three little knobs on the top and they aim for the middle of those little knobs. When mine is out of place they can only feel one knob. I haven't been told I have to have surgery...I have three more treatments left so I am hoping it will behave for the last three! Good luck!

  • Sarah246
    Sarah246 Member Posts: 53
    edited June 2011

    Thanks axtella

    I also have a power port. Maybe that's the plan to just try and flip it or rotate it back into place. They told me that they can't put it through the arm veins anymore, so something must be done tomorrow. I have three more treatments left also, hopefully after they fix it, it lasts until this nightmare is over. I wonder should I add some elma cream in the morning before they go poking around. LOL.

  • CarlaB76
    CarlaB76 Member Posts: 74
    edited June 2011

    Sarah, I loathe my port is an understatement.  I had AC #4 today and it took 5 sticks to get in.  Le sigh.  Have they done an X-Ray to check that they port is not flipped?  That would be step number one in my opinion...least invasive and you can get a visual on the orientation. If it is facing front as it should be, then what they did next for me was a dye study to make sure that there were no blockages (which needed access and a number of sticks to get there).  After that, back to the surgeon so he could access it and "show the nurses how to".  I can't remember the name of the clot buster they used.  Even when they accessed a few days before AC#2, they got no blood return and I needed this clot buster pushed two times at 30 minute intervals before the blood return came.  

    Note for today's final AC#4 (WOOT!) it took 5 times to successfully access it.

    Good luck and I hope they figure it out for you soon.

  • artiecat
    artiecat Member Posts: 257
    edited June 2011

    Well, happy news here...saw my onc today with results of breast MRI - tumor and lymph nodes have all shrunk significantly!  Which is very good news since I was told chemo isnt always terribly successful with ILC. Onc said I am her poster child!  On to #4 Wednesday!

    Is anyone else doing acupuncture for chemo SEs?

  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited June 2011

    Articat, here is a kart-wheel for you!Tongue out

    CarlaB- I thought that was you squealing your tires on the way  out of the treatment center today!

    AWESOME ladies!

  • Sudzinvermont
    Sudzinvermont Member Posts: 70
    edited June 2011

    I had a problem with my power port last week, I hope things go well tomorrow. Reading about the troubles Carla  Axtella , and others have had...well it's making me go hmmmmmmmmmm. 

    Articat, I'm doing some acupuncture. I did it after rounds 2 & 3. I don't know if it's helping or if I'm just lucky, but my se's have been managable.Who knows, but I'm going to keep at it. 

      And congrats on your shrinkage Articat!

  • noanie
    noanie Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2011

    Hi All,

    Would love some advice on this.

    I am undergoing chemo 3 FEC &3TAX, I have had two FEC chemos and my veins are very, very sore (have phlebitis) I'm currently having treatment in the UK and can not get a port here. I have one more FEC on Wednesday and Chemo Nurse wants to do it in the arm I had a SNB and lumpectomy then move back to the other arm for TAX in three weeks when hopefully my good arm is better. What is the risk of getting lymphoedema in my bad arm if I have one round of chemo in it, I know I still have to have rads on that arm which will also increase my risk of lymphoedema. The chemo nurse also said the TAX is much easier on the veins then FEC and I should not have a problem...not sure I believe her.

    I could postpone my treatment a few weeks until the arm is better, but I was hoping to get my chemo over ASAP so I can get back home to the US, and have my radiation there.

    Has anyone had chemo in their bad arm? and did you have any problems?

    Thanks

  • CarlaB76
    CarlaB76 Member Posts: 74
    edited June 2011

    Noanie, I talked about thiis with my onc today. And while my numbers may not be exact, they were different enough for you to get an idea.  I read SNB as sentinel node biobsy? is that right?  Here is what he said...if just sentinel node biopsy/disection lyphedema risk was about 3%.  Not large, but not insignificant.  If a full axillary dissection was done however, that risk increases to about 27-30%.  Perhaps they could shop for veins in your legs and feet as an alternative to not use the restricted arm and give your workhorse arm some time to catch it's breath?  In my case, I have specifically asked my onconolist to consult with my breast surgeon so that he has her recommendations on if I need to have my left arm ou to of commission (had a left mx and immediater reconstruction.  Hope that helps!

    Articat...Holla or shinking tuimors!!

    Merieem, you bet your ass that was me pealing out of the infusion center today...in my girlfriend's minivan. Cool

    Sudzinvermont- don't fret about the port,  It's going int if its going in and I'm not sure whar you dould nor that will be more effective that whispering sweet nothings to it while wiating for it's impending obliteration from my chest.

    Obviously, can't sleep because of the steroids.

  • CarlaB76
    CarlaB76 Member Posts: 74
    edited June 2011

    I've been blogging intermittently on a private website.  And after the talk of the AMAZING milatary moms and family memembers here, I was compelled to write about it a little.  I hope you don't mind me sharing here. - written Sunday night before my 4th AC.

    We Were Soldiers

    I never thought of myself as a complainer. But it seems like that's all I do lately. When somebody asks me how I'm doing, I answer with, "I'm tired". But I'm going to be tired until chemo is done, so I need to come up with a different answer. I complain about my port, I complain about my hips, I complain about my back and the bone pain and I really need to stop complaining. I need to find another way to express how I feel. Because saying I'm okay does not cut it, because I'm not okay. I don't feel okay. I want to be okay, but right now I don't feel okay. So how do I strike the balance between being honest about how I feel and not being a complainer? There are so many people who have harder struggles than I do, than I'm going through, and they are doing it and I just need to do this. I keep telling myself that I can do anything for a finite amount of time and this is just till the end of the September. My last big one is going to be done tomorrow (fingers crossed that blood count numbers don't drive a delay since I have a bit of a cough and sore throat). Then we step down and maybe I'll be a little closer to okay and maybe I'll have a little less to complain about. But I don't like complaining and I feel like I complain a lot. My head hurts, my mouth has that metallic tastes, nothing tastes good, getting around is not as easy as it used to be, I feel like a 150 years old, it is a litany. I have a litany of complaints, when really I just want to be okay.

    I never realized, or had a tangible understanding of, the toll that this experience takes on the people around someone trying to survive this disease. I watch Todd and he is strong and stoic and takes everything in stride. But I'm seeing him crack, and I'm seeing him struggle to deal with this, and I'm seeing him wear the exhaustion, and he's taxed. I did not appreciate it before, even though I gave it lip service of this not just being something that happens to me but it happens to US. I don't think I really understood how hard it would be on him. On him watching me in pain and not being able to do anything to help. Or better stated being able to do anything to alleviate that pain, he does a lot to help, but he can't make the pain, physical or emotional, less. And I bet there has to be a sense of helplessness that he feels because he wants to protect me, and keep me safe and to make sure that I'm happy and I'm well. That's the agreement, the vow, the promise to me and to my parents that he takes seriously. And it has to be really hard for him, because he can't bear this weight for me and he can't make it all go away. That has to be difficult. I don't think I realized how challenging it would be for him.

    Over Memorial Day weekend, after my last treatment, I started watching war movies. Anybody who knows me knows I don't really watch war movies. They're too violent, there's too much blood and gore, and they are just not my speed. But I started watching them and got through the re-mastered version of Apocalypse Now, A Bridge Too Far, and one other whose name escapes me now (I think it was We Were Soldiers). But it really showed me what being "in the trenches" means. What leaning over someone to take a bullet means, and what not leaving a man down means. And Todd is in the trenches with me. He's fully invested and in the trenches protecting me, fighting for me, but it means that he's tired too and we're only almost halfway there. He's feeling this onslaught as much as I am, even though it's not happening to his body, it's happening to his heart.

    I never really understood the mindset of knowingly picking up arms and running into a battle that will surely, or most likely, end with you being killed. And I want to be clear that chemo is nothing like real war with bullets, grenades, and death. But I do see the parallel of going into something that you know will be an onslaught to fight for some greater good in which you believe. I think the courage has to come from the same place in your soul. That is the courage I need to muster up so I can walk into the oncologist office tomorrow. I found a lot of courage watching those films over Memorial Day weekend. Courage I have bottled up and have been saving to tap into tomorrow morning. I'm so close to being half way done that I can taste it, even if it is a little metallic.

    I'll send a note out tomorrow and hopefully it will be short and sweet (knocks on wood).

  • noanie
    noanie Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2011

    Thanks Carla,

    I was told they have to use your hand/lower arm for FEC, but they can go higher in your arm for TAX. I'm scheduled for my third FEC tomorow and I'm really scared and confused as to what to do...so many different opinions from the so called experts. My only other alternative is to hold off on the chemo for a couple of weeks and have them insert a PIC line, but I am so anxious to get this nigtmare over with.

    Doed anyone know if it is true that TAX is much easier on the veins?

    Hope you get some sleep Carla.

  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited June 2011

    I have had 6 infusions of CMF and 3 out of 4 TC without a port.

  • pawprintgirl24
    pawprintgirl24 Member Posts: 173
    edited June 2011

    O carla thank you so much for sharing.. i know that my husband also is having a hard time with this. they are fixers and they can't do anything but they are doing what they can. i have stopped complaining to them because it seemed to make it worse on them.the look i would get from my husband and my daughter. they would get this look and them followed by i'm so sorry. i didn't want to get that look and saying sorry is not something i want to hear i just wanted them to just listen. i have a co worker that i vent to he is 22 and he is great! i am so greatful for him although i do have to fuss at him to get to work!! LOL

    i know we can do this because most of us are over half way!! and it was scary but not anymore!!! we are warriors!! everyone!!!

    i found out yesterday am er+ so do have to do the meds for 5 years and now i am ticked about that but i guess i have no choice... just tired of all the side effects and going into 5 years of them with my body all messed up!! i was going through life so normal and now i have a new normal just trying to find that new normal. :(

    hang in there ladies!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Pawprintgirl: I'd rather get "I'm so sorry" than the blank stare I get any day.

  • axtella
    axtella Member Posts: 88
    edited June 2011

    Jodie --

    I am ER+ and PR + premenopausal so I have to have the 5 year pill plan as well.

  • Sudzinvermont
    Sudzinvermont Member Posts: 70
    edited June 2011

    I'm on the 5 year plan too, but I'm trying not to think about it yet. One thing at a time please! 

    I'm in the chair with TCH #4. My port behaved as it should today thank goodness, I didn't want to deal with that mess again.

    It's cool and rainy again here, so I asked for one of the rooms on the back side for my infusion, one with no windows. I'm going to relax and take a mental trip to the Bahama's in a bit, see if I can feel the warm sand between my toes!

    Sue 

    "the harder they hit us, the louder we become....like the skin on the drum" ~Michael Franti

  • Sarah246
    Sarah246 Member Posts: 53
    edited June 2011

    Carlab76

    Thanks, I  loathe my port too. Wow, you went through a lot. Today I went in to radiology and had the port checked, doctor said it has completely fliped. He said I should get with my oncologist and decide what I want done. He said to get it back right they would have to operate again. I have three more chemo's.  Thanks for sharing "We were soldiers".

    Artiecat Congratulations, that is such good news.

    Pawprintgirl124, I agree about the "New Normal". I don't like this "New Normal".

  • pawprintgirl24
    pawprintgirl24 Member Posts: 173
    edited June 2011

    sudz i love the toes in the sand for #4!! thankgoodness your port behaved. i wish we could get cool and rainy here..it is hot 100 and dry we need rain!! 

    sarsh 246 keep us posted on the port what they want to do...suckes but it will be ok it has too!!

    we got this!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Are all of you who are having trouble with your ports dealing with "power ports?"

    If so, I am sure glad I didn't get a power port, just a regular port. It has been a lifesaver and I have had no problems at all. (Thank goodness.) I am adding my two cents just in case future people who read this thread might conclude that all ports are awful. I love my port, and would be miserable without it!

    But I am sure sorry for all you ladies having port troubles. *hugs*

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