No reconstruction- Happy w/your decision?

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  • Joviangeldeb
    Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
    edited June 2011

    Hi, Marlee1.  I was not a candidate for reconstruction due to an abdominal hysterectomy I'd had 5 months prior to my mastectomy. My doctor did a skin sparing left mastectomy in case I ever decided on implant.  I'm like you. I didn't want anymore surgery, my husband is very supportive and I do not regret not having any reconstruction or implant.  The only thing I wish I'd had, was a bilateral mastectomy, but at the time of my diagnosis, I didn't know enough about breast cancer to ask for it.  I know that each of us is different about this and there is no right or wrong decision. One of my sister's was diagnosed 1 year after me and she chose bilateral mammo, expanders and implants.

    Take care,

    Deb

  • shippy41
    shippy41 Member Posts: 49
    edited June 2011

    thanks so much everyone. i went to see my rabbi this week and he was really helpful. no matter how much i plan i may be surprised by how i react. it is hard to predict and i understand it will take time. he reassured me that i have landed on my feet many times so i can do that again. I am not sure if you are religious but i have always felt supported and strengthened by my faith.i will definitely tap into that to get me through it. i hope you all find the strength and comfort to deal with all of your trials. 

    I so much appreciate all the advice and guidance. I have a couple other questions, some mentioned cami's from target which i bought today. they have a built in shelf but how do i change it so that i can put a form into it and not fall out. what kind of clothes work better with a flat chest and with prosthetic. what clothes should i give away. is there anyway to make a prosthetic that has clevage??

    thanks  and good luck to you all as well.!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Shippy, I wouldn't get rid of any clothes prior to your surgery. Don't get ahead of yourself - best to wait and try things after. You may be surprised at what works without and with forms. I'd even give it a good six weeks before pitching anything, as you may still have swelling for a while. You may find that things that don't look good at first are fine later.



    In general, I discovered that dresses and blouses that have darts were the worst without forms. I'm sure those styles will work with a prosthetic though. I have lymphedema issues and probably will only wear a small form if that's possible. My old dresses would be a little too big in the bust, so that's why I consigned them. However, I tried everything on first, and I was glad I did since my favorite vintage dress actually still looks great. I didn't expect that at all.



    Most of my new things have shirring, details near the neckline, ruffles, pattern, or are worn in layers. However, that doesn't mean if one looks at me closely that they can't tell I am flat. Some things make me look small busted, and with others I just throw caution to the wind and put my flat chest out there. I still look nice in what I am wearing, but I don't have breasts. Just as you did pre-mast and then with implants, you learn to find clothes that flatter your body type and highlight your best features.



    I'm sure others will chime in on how to work with the camis and prosthetics

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    Tina is right. I wear a lot of ruffles, shirring and busy patterns to fool the eye. I don't wear anything with darts as the bust looks 'empty'. I wear dead flat tight tops and just look athletic. I had to get rid of low-cut tight tops that needed a bust. Others, I am able to wear a pretty lace cami underneath. Strangely enough, I feel sexier now!!! Everyone else has breasts and I don't. It's different.

    There is one big thing we have to warn you about. You will have what is medically called a 'fat shelf' underneath your breasts, right where underwire sits. It's a combination of the underwire irritant and ballast for the weight of your breasts. When you first lose your breasts, that area will seem so obvious and your belly will seem so much bigger. In time, you will learn to stand a different way (sub-conciously) because you don't have the weight of your breasts, and those two areas will seem much smaller. A lot of us said it was like we had a toddler's body when we were first flat.

    The relief is strange...I still haven't mourned or cried and I'm 2 1/2 years out!!! I keep wondering if it will hit me and I'll lose it, but so far, the logistics have been just perfect. I had NO idea how I'd handle it and had no one to talk to about it. You will be so much better prepared than most of us were.

    Oh! Another thing, you will be very concious of the feel of the fabric against your chest. Some will irritate you, others will feel wonderful!!! So if a top is rough on your chest, wear a soft cami underneath. Also, my two incisions don't quite meet in the centre of my chest and there is a natural dip there. So sometimes, it looks as if I have a bit of cleavage!! Go figure.....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Barbe, I'm not sure what you are referring to when you mention the "flat shelf". I just had to check myself in the mirror. Perhaps because I have some loose skin and muscle, maybe I don't see this? Perhaps it's different for those who are deconstructing. The plastic surgeon who removed my implants said that my pectoral muscle had been "released" by the inframammary fold. While she permanently tacked my muscle down to my chest wall similarly to how it was before the recon, there is some extra or a little bit of slack muscle near my inframammary fold. There's more on the left side because I always had more skin there and the implant was larger on that side to correct what my original PS said was an imbalance in my chest. Anyway, my right side had muscle damage and it couldn't be tacked down in quite the same way as the left, so there is a little less slack on that side. If I didn't have some concavity in the middle from the stupid expanders, I might look like I had mini boobs! In either event, I have always had a slight pectoral excavatum that I hated, but now it actually works to my advantage because it gives the impression of some cleavage. What was once seen as a negative is now a positive! Funny, huh?

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    It's a FAT shelf. You probably got yours lipo'd off with your reconstruction. They don't normally take it off with just a mastectomy as it's considered cosmetic surgery, not reconstruction! Go figure!! It's almost like a finger/rib length and firmness right at your underwire site.

  • Kezzie62
    Kezzie62 Member Posts: 189
    edited June 2011

    I dont have a fat shelf... or any ridge where my underwire used to sit.  it is flat and smooth.  I dont think everyone has this fat shelf.

    Kezzie

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    Hmmm, my surgeon told me to expect it even before the surgery!! I didn't think he'd looked that closely up to that point. I was a 42D, were you large breasted Kezzie? Did you have recon?

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    I googled 'fat shelf and mastectomy' and got another thread on bco! and this link:

    What is Lipofilling and How is It Used for Breast Reconstruction ...

    Fat grafting has been shown to be a reasonable ancillary procedure to ... in
    breast reconstruction for two main reasons - To correct the "shelf" ... But
    there can be hollows or defects from the mastectomy around the implant or the
    flap. ...
    www.realself.com/./what-lipofilling-and-how-it-used-breast-reconstruction - Cached - Similar
  • Kezzie62
    Kezzie62 Member Posts: 189
    edited June 2011

    I was a 42 DD and I have not had any recon. My BS did my BMX and I have never been seen by a PS so no lipo or anything else.  Breast surgeon only removed breast tissue so I need some revision for exess skin under my arms but no ridge or shelf.

     Kezzie

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    You did really well then Kezzie! Lucky you. Mine is like another rib sitting atop my first rib. Not as bad as when I was first done. In fact, the day I went back to work, a young lady poked at it on my top and said 'what's this'? Then she answered herself by saying, 'oh, it must be bandages.' I didn't want to tell her it was my fat shelf!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Barbe, I know for sure that I didn't have any lipo performed on me at the time of my mastectomy and insertion of expanders. Nor did I have any lipo at the time of my exchange surgery. All the PS's I consulted laughed because I didn't have much extra fat to even consider alternative surgeries, which is why I had the implants. My BS did a skin sparing mast to aid in the recon. I also know for sure that at the time of my deconstruction, my latest PS didn't do any lipo upon removing the implants. I have truncal lymphedema and the priority was minimal disruption of the chest area. 

    Maybe it's related to one's original breast size, weight, and body structure. Some women have larger or more pronounced ribcages, too, and we all hold fat in different places. Anyway, it sure is interesting how we all come out looking different with the same procedure!! Smile  However, as I mentioned, I just deconstructed, and that can leave things looking quite a bit different than if there has been no screwing around with the muscle.

  • BethHG
    BethHG Member Posts: 27
    edited June 2011

    I don't have a fat shelf either, but I had a C cup.   My ribs are more pronounced  so it looks like the chest is a tiny bit concave. 

    I haven't read through this whole thread, so I am answering as if I just read the 1st page and last  (which I didWink)    I opted for a blateral mastectomy instead of just getting my left breast removed.  Personally, I didn't want one old boob and that is it.  It would have bothered me more with that than if I just got it removed for both my self image and for peace of mind.  I was told that it is more difficult to detect cancer in a breast that has reconstruction, and I did not want any foreign matter placed into my body.  I do not regret either the bilateral mastectomy or not getting reconstruction.  I do go through stages where I miss my breasts, but never enough to want to go through surgery again.  My bs aggreed with me on these, so I had no problem whatsoever.

    What is deconstruction?

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited June 2011

    Beth,

    Deconstruction is when a reconstruction is undone. Normally, this would happen if a woman has had reconstruction with implants. Some women on this thread opted to have their implants removed.

    I'm another one with no fat shelf, definitely no lipo. My result is a lot like the one Beth described. I was a large B/small C cup. Now my chest is flat and smooth, though my ribs are pronounced, making my chest appear a little bit concave, particularly on the side where I'd previously had radiation. 

  • Jing
    Jing Member Posts: 22
    edited June 2011

    This is a great thread!  I had a bilateral mastectomy on May24th.  I had IDC in the right and lots of abnormal tissue in the left so I did a prophylactic on that side.  I decided not to do any reconstruction and I do not regret my decision.  BreastFree.org really helped me decide to go form free too.  I was extremely small (like nearly an A) and to be truthful, my breasts, despite their small size, have caused me a lot of pain over the years due to lots of swelling during menstrual cycles.  So I decided that this was my chance to be pain free and I am really pleased.  Another interesting thing is that hubby seems fascinated by my flatter chest and seems to really enjoy looking at it - go figure!  I think it's because he likes the athletic look.

  • Faithroad
    Faithroad Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011

    Hmmm...regarding the fat shelf.  I see my PS in July as a presurgery meeting.  I'm going to ask her about it.  And I'll ask about any needed lypo.  Gee I'm learning a lot here.

  • shippy41
    shippy41 Member Posts: 49
    edited June 2011

    yikes another thing to worry about!!!! also does anyone know how to fix the built in shelf on a cami so that you can put a foob in it? i.e how do you sew it thanks!

  • LindaKR
    LindaKR Member Posts: 1,577
    edited June 2011

    Hi, what a great topic.  I had a MX of the left breast a little over a year ago, I'm kind of big busted - 38 D-DD, but didn't think that I'd have reconstruction.  My RO thought I should look in to it, so just to make sure I saw a PS, he said that the only type they could do would be a TRAM for a number of reasons, and he also told me that reconstruction can hid recurrences, and bottom line I wasn't a very good candidate.  My daughters and DH all were against reconstruction.  The main reason I even was considering it was so that I would be able to go without a bra and not be soooooo lopsided.  My BS doesn't feel that I need a prophylactic MX, but is willing to do one.  I have considered breast reduction on my remaining side, but I really don't want to have to deal with more surgery. 

    Have any of you had a breast reduction on your remaining side, it seems that most of you have had BMX's?  And why did you have the prophylactic MX?  I'm still trying to decide what to do about my remaining breast - my husband doesn't think that I need more surgery, and I don't think that I need one because of cancer, but just because I'm so uneven, and the prosthetic is heavy, I did go to a lighter weight  one and that helps.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    Linda, I did both sides because I didn't want to wear a foob. I didn't want to ever wear a bra again! I was too large to go flat/not flat and would have needed a prosthetic, which I didn't want. They found ADH in my right breast (in fact, they thought it was my right breast that had the cancer in the first place!) so that validated my decision. I didn't get recon because I didn't want the surgery length/risk/anasthetic/etc.

    The fat shelf is obviously not on everyone! I was a 38D when I was 13 and had my breasts removed at 50 so that's a lot of years of heavy breasts and underwire pressure. Smaller physiques and breasts just don't have the build-up.

    I am very, very surprised at those with recon who didn't get lipo. It's part of the whole process to clean up the dog-ears under the arms and other areas. How do you know you didn't get lipo? Women mention they get it at exchange time as well.

  • Kezzie62
    Kezzie62 Member Posts: 189
    edited June 2011

    I had a BMX because I did not want the worry, or risk involved with my other breast.  As it turns out It was needed because of a undiscovered tumor.  I cant imagine only having one removed I think I would have hated that more than having both done.  I an now trying my 2nd week of going flat at work and I am liking it very much.

    I dont think the "fat shelf" has anything to do with size or age, I too was a 38 DD when I was 14 and I am almost 50 but I dont have this shelf.  I think it is just that we are all made differently so some may have it and others wont.

     Kezzie

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    Kezzie, I may be explaining this wrong or something. It's not an obvious shelf like a bookshelf. What it is is a ridge right where your underwire bra sits. It is a build-up from the irritant of the underwire bra. Years ago I had a reduction and the surgeon mentioned not to ever wear an underwire bra for that reason. Also, underwires cut blood circulation. I asked her how the heck a low support bra would give me any support!!

    I mentioned age only to say that I had underwire rubbing against that area for 37 years!

    My ribs protrude enough that I can fit my fist underneath them!! Now, with the built-up area it is even more pronounced. That's all it is.

  • Kezzie62
    Kezzie62 Member Posts: 189
    edited June 2011

    Barbe, Thanks for the explanation, I am sorry you are having to deal with this ridge and the issue with your ribs.  Maybe I am just lucky as I dont even have a ridge. Is there nothing the PS can do to remove the ridge so that it is better for you?

    Kezzie

  • lilylady
    lilylady Member Posts: 1,079
    edited June 2011

    I am glad I found this thread and breastfree site. I am making my decision this week after a breast MRI tomorrow. I had told the surgeon last week at our first meeting I knew for sure I didn't want reconstruction so do not leave any extra skin. As far as the "good" breast I was pretty sure I wanted it off but had to check with the insurance co to see if they will pay. They called this morning to Ok it. My surgery is at the end of July after I finish chemo.

       I couldn't see any sense in having 1 saggy boob. If I am flat I can choose to be flat or I can wear prosthetics for special occasions. Kind of like how I do my wig.

      Did some shopping over the weekend and found some darling Liz Claiborne stuff with shirring and the whole peasant look I think will work good also. Also found a perfect jersey little black dress. It was actually displayed on a flat chested mannequin. They has several of those displayed thruout the womens clothes.

    I do not have large breasts now so I wore a too small sports bra that flattened me totally so I could better gauge the look. Figure by the time i need some new clothes they will have the winter coats out.

      Thanks for sharing your stories. Kind of confirms my own thinking process.

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited June 2011

    I too was left with a fat "shelf" after my BMX......course I was also left with large, ugly dog ears as well.  The dog ears caused considerable discomfort and were later corrected by PS.  I didn't want to go with extensive surgery to make my body completly flat, so I just had him leave the shelf or ridge which serves as an anchor when I do wear a mastectomy bra. 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    The only way I can get rid of the ridge is with lipo, though it's not a 'soft' fat, in fact they can't even guarantee it can be removed! Cost $3,000 - it's considered cosmetic. Yet I could have whole new breasts built for thousands of dollars at no cost to me! Doi!

    It has gotten slightly flatter over the past couple of years, so obviously some of the fat has come off. It's more apparent on my right side which had a simple mastectomy rather on the left side that had a modified mastectomy!! Go figure!

  • Faithroad
    Faithroad Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011
    Barb, I've seen the shelf you are talking about in photos. Isn't it crazy that insurance will pay for the whole recon, but not for a smaller less expensive procedure that would make things more comfortable for you. 

    I had reconstruction and they did no lypo.  So it's not a given with reconstruction.  Like most things, it probably depends on who you have for a PS.

    I saw a new PS this afternoon and he has done deconstruction before.  We talked about the fat shelf.  He says I might have one but he will try to make things as smooth as possible.
  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    Faith, you will get a better look with a PS, that's for sure! I had a general surgeon. He had to go back in a do an incision revision on the left (cancer) side as there was too much tissue left still. When I saw him post-op that, he couldn't belive it! There was almost as much 'tissue' there still. He said he swore he took out a big chunk. What we didn't realize at the time, was it as LE!!!!! Now that I treat my LE with MLND, my look is much smoother. Thank God I didn't go for yet another surgery!!

    I've heard of so many women who get lipo as stage 2 of their reconstruction, to clean up dog ears and flatten under the arms. They say the lipo was the hardest part to recover from! You've been very lucky to date, I hope everything goes as well for your deconstruction, you will feel so much better without having to wear a bra. I cannot imagine having to put a bra over the mild LE I have.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Barbe, you are right about the bra on top of a mild LE area. Drives one insane and can irritate and cause a flare. My LE therapist banned me from wearing bras when I had my implants. Most likely still won't be able to wear one with prosthetics, but I'm not interested right now anyway. Will probably try on a compression bra and prosthetics sometime just to see, but I doubt I'll feel different later. Maybe winter clothes will make me think twice.

  • Faithroad
    Faithroad Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011

    Barb, I'm sorry you got LE.  I don't know what MLND is but I'm glad it helps.

    I'm hoping to wear a prosthetic bra for work and hoping it won't be too hot. I will probably take it off at home and on weekends. So far I haven't had LE.  I hope this surgery won't create a problem like that.

    Tina, my PS said I will have to be super careful to not using my peck muscles as they will need to heal back together after deconstruction.  At least four weeks of minimal movement on top.  Was it like that for you?  Hope you are continuing to recover and heal.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Faith, I had a 5 lb weight restriction for 6 wks. However, my surgeon did want me to raise my hands and arms above my head to prevent getting a frozen shoulder. I spent one night in the hospital, and the following day at the hotel, I carefully lifted my arms and was surprised to be able to put my hands above my head without any dIfficulty. I would do this a few times a day for a couple of weeks. After three weeks, I was starting to feel things tightenIng up and felt the need to stretch. My surgeon gave me permission to lightly stretch without forcing anything. I think the hardest part during that time was preventing myself from lifting things or doing activities around the house that were too strenuous, especially once I started feeling so good.



    Oh, and I think MLND was a typo and Barbe meant MLD - manual lymphatic drainage - which is a technique that helps move lymphatic fluid and reduces swelling.

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