Can I remove my implants?

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    While researching the rates of capsular contracture for a second set of implants (after CC with the first set), I discovered a lot of info that surprised me about the percentage of problems with implants in general. I do not recall the info my PS gave me (from Mentor) presenting the data in quite the same way. If it had, I would not have chosen to reconstruct. Once I locate the documents in my file, I will post links to them. 

  • lauralu
    lauralu Member Posts: 100
    edited April 2011

    Talked to my Dr today. Will be seeing a Plastic surgeon about having my implants removed soon.

    Laura

  • mlp730
    mlp730 Member Posts: 89
    edited June 2011

    I am curious about this as well. I had a bilateral mastectomy in Oct 09 and have been miserably uncomfortable - like an underwire bra that is 2 sizes too small. I have done everything from PT, massage, holistic medicine and nothing has helped. After 18 months of complaining to my PS, he suggested capsulectomy. I had this procedure on April 28th and the tightness in my right breast is even worse. I know it's only been 6 wks, but I'm so ready to throw in the towel! Has anyone with these sx thought of doing this or actually had them removed?? If so, is there improvement? It's so frustrating to see such little progress in almost 2 yrs!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Mlpavone54, I finally had my implants removed on April 5. I feel so much better! It turned out that one implant had poked through the pectoral muscle, and the muscle on that side was damaged. Both sides had capsular contracture, and the capsules were quite thick. I wasn't sure how much relief I'd experience after the implants were removed, as a couple of PS's I consulted warned I may have post-mastectomy pain syndrome. Well, it was all implant pain, and now that they are gone, the scar tissue removed, and muscle repaired as much as possible on both sides, I am 100% pain free! Upon awaking from surgery, I could tell right away that much of the pain was gone. The post-surgery pain wasn't much worse than the implants!



    I am almost 10 weeks post surgery, and I feel like a new woman. There's no pain in my chest, and my back, neck and shoulder muscles are no longer tight. I have started to slowly exercise, and it feels good. I do have concavity in both sides of my chest where the expanders pressed on my ribcage. It's not quite the smooth and flat results I had hoped for, but I have adjusted to my appearance. I have't been wearing a prosthetic and I am happy with how I look in clothes.

  • lauralu
    lauralu Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2011

    It is so good to hear that you are feeling better Tina.

    Laura

  • mlp730
    mlp730 Member Posts: 89
    edited June 2011

    100 % pain free sounds wonderful! I used to be fairly active, spin class, step class, pilates. I've given all of this up because I'm just too uncomfortable. It hurts to even walk any distance. I see my PS July 20th and it's always the same thing that some people just experience more tightness, it could last up to 2-3 yrs!! I know I don't want to wait this long to get my life back - I just don't know what is a fair time frame to give this. I have not been able to wear bras since Oct 09! Thanks for the info. This website has made me feel so much better to know others have experienced this and that this feeling is real!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Thanks, Laura. What's the latest with you? Last I remember your PS wanted to do larger implants? Do I have that right?



    mlpavone54, my big accomplishment last week was that I blew dry my hair for the first time in three years! I had stopped doing anything extra and only the minimum to get by. I am having to discipline myself now so that I go to bed earlier, wake early, and get back into a healthy routine. I'm working on my lymphedema and trying to exercise regularly. Ugh, I am so out of shape since I had become so sedentary. Need to get back up to speed so I can start looking for work. It's only now that I feel good that I can see how poorly I had been functioning.

  • lauralu
    lauralu Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2011

    Tina it is so good that you are able to do many things that you were not able to do before.

    Yes, tha PS wanted to look at doing larger implants..I could not even go there as I do not want further surgeries and the stress that goes along with a revision. I think for some people it could be an option. I want to steer away from repeated surgeries. He than suggested fat graphs and I considered that but then again there are more surgeries involved than one could be 2 even 3. I am still wondering why these things he mentioed would help with pain and tightness. Of course we all want to have good looking reconstructions but the comfort issue is the main thing.

    Honestly there are things that will never be changed. My whole body has been effected. I am happy that my LE is doing somewhat better.I hope that will continue. . .

    There is not an easy way. I feel like humpty dumpty.

    All the stress I have experienced with the reconstruction process has left me worn out

    Laura.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Laura, I told my husband that I felt like Humpty Dumpty! All of me can't be put back together, but the existing parts are working better.



    I remember thinking before my surgery that if I felt 75% or even 50% better, then I would be happy with the results. Never in a million years did I think I would feel as good as I do. I believe there are people who have pain and problems that are completely implant related. Unfortunately, there's no way to know for sure unless you remove them. I had a gut feeling that all the chest muscle spasming and stabbing pain where I could feel the implant, and the tightness in my back, neck and shoulders were from the implants. The implants were noticeably misshapen, which was another indication. I consulted with two PTs and a physiatrist, who evaluated my body, and they thought I was right. I knew the implants were at least part of the problem, and because I wasn't willing to live with the pain anymore, any improvement would be a positive.



    My LE is easier to manage. I thought everything going on on the side of my trunk was LE related, but it turns out that half of the numb-y feeling I had was due to the implant. I can feel more and focus more accurately on the areas that need the most attention.




    There's no way to know exactly what's causing all of your pain, but please don't give up or think that you will never feel better. It is possible for your whole body, mind and soul to heal - I am living proof of that, and I hope you will soon have the chance to recover, too.

  • mlp730
    mlp730 Member Posts: 89
    edited June 2011

    Tina 337 - This is so encouraging that you are getting your life back. I'm so ready for that!! I feel like my life is consumed with trying to feel better with all the things I do! Like I mentioned before, I'm just not sure how long to give this!

    Lauralu - I would think long and hard about additional surgeries. I just had a revision to a revision in April. I had a capsulectomy and new implants put in. Scar tissue had developed around the permanent sutures of the revision creating alot of burning pain in my right breast and under my right arm. Even though my PS seems to think the problem is fixed, I still have extreme tightness, especially in the right breast. His reply to my complaints is always that he did alot of work on that side and the tightness may not go away for 2-3 yrs!!! Sometimes I think how our breasts look cosmetically is way more important to the PS than to us. I know that's how I feel. It's all about comfort and I will never take it for granted again after going through this! So much to think about!!

  • lauralu
    lauralu Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2011

    Yes I do agree that a revision is not the answer here. It has been on my mind for quite sometime.

    The reason I went to see him in the first place was to have my implants removed. So many red flags went up the more I talked to him. He like most PS want to improve the looks of what is there. The pain seems to be a mute point to them.

    I again am reluctant to go through more surgeries one reason is my LE. They just don't seem to take that into consideration at all. I was NEVER told in the beginning that it was one of the complications.of MX.

    I was listening to a presentation by Dr. Marga Massey last night on the subject of LE. Just kind of stumbled on it. She explained that there are so many women that had no idea that they were at risk and that the Dr's don't usually mention or even consider it to be a problem.

    The way things have gone so far in this journey I sometimes I feel like I have totally lost my mind.

    The reality is I feel stuck. I even feel  uncomfortable talking to my own Dr. about anything to do with my reconstruction. I know he has tried to give my the appropriate referals but there are not all that many choices here. Definately no sympathy about removing implants. Just cut, remove and sew up.

    Makes me feel very uncomfortable.

  • mlp730
    mlp730 Member Posts: 89
    edited June 2011

    Pain is definitely minimized!! The first question I am asked when I see my PS is my pain level on a scale of 1-10. I could say 20 and the reply would be time and advil! It's been of such little concern on this entire journey! I am totally with you on how it is draining. It just stinks never to feel well. It's like the best 7 hrs of the day are when I'm sleeping!

  • mlp730
    mlp730 Member Posts: 89
    edited June 2011

    Tina337,

    Did you have drains after the implants were removed and if so, how long? Another thing I have to think about is amount of time I would have to be off work. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    mlpavone, I did have drains after the surgery. Annoying and uncomfortable, but they are your friends! I had one for a week, and the other for almost two weeks. I probably would have had the second one removed a little earlier, but I got all gung ho and walked 5 miles two days in a row and that increased the output. The trick is to get some exercise every day, but not so much that it raises the output. Same thing as after the mastectomy - output has to be under 30cc for at least 3 days in a row before drain can be removed. 

    Laura, I think you're right about steering away from multiple surgeries when you have LE. That advice was given to me by a few professionals. More surgeries equal more scar tissue, which is definitely not good with LE. Did you see my thread on the LE forum that I started when I had my surgery? I must have mentioned Dr. Massey removed my implants - I feel like a broken record singing her praises. She was so careful about my LE. I will bump up my thread ("Surgery finally happening") in case you haven't seen. I also posted on the Charleston Bound 2 thread.

    While you may feel stuck because you have limited choices where you are located, maybe your insurance will grant an exception if you need to travel out of network to have surgery done by someone who can provide the best care for your LE . 

  • lauralu
    lauralu Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2011

    Tina, Yes I do remember that you mentioned Dr Massey. I was thinking about you when I was listening to her presentation. What a kind and compassionate women. There were a number of times she had tears in her eyes when she described some of the issues faced by women with LE.

    I live in Canada our surgeries are covered by the Province medicare here (government). I inquired a while back if I could go else where for surgery. The answer was a definite no. I would have to pay for all the expenses myself.

    I think it is wonderful that you were able to see her and get the best care possible for your LE and the fact that she was so careful as I do not believe most PS would be when it relates to implant removal. They just don't get it When I tell my Dr that I do not want BP  or  blood draws done on my arms  I do not know what kind of reaction I will get. I taked to the physiotherapist at the hosptal. She was very vague.

    I cannot tell you how happy it makes me to know that there is someone in the profession that does understand.

    All the best to you Tina.

    Thankyou for sharing your experience with us all here.

    (((hugs)))

    Laura

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Okay, I understand, Laura. I'm sorry about that. You really do deserve the best care. I think we all do! I had to eat the cost of a big portion of my surgery, and we are still struggling financially from that. I was fortunate that part of my surgery was covered, but we had a very high out-of-network insurance deductible. If we had to pay for everything, I never would have been able to do.

    Knowing how passionate Dr. Massey is about her work and LE, I do think that it will eventually influence how other doctors and hospitals think about patient care and treatment. She is a true pioneer! 

  • lauralu
    lauralu Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2011

    It is true we all do need and deserve the best care. It is sad to think that you had to pay for a large portion for your surgery. I too hope that one day other Dr's will look at the work she is and has done and become willing to learn nd do these kinds of surgeries.

    Yes she is a true pioneer in the field! I sincerely hope in the years ahead  that better methods of surgery will be developed to improve and provide better care for all BC patients. Better care and precautions to prevent LE.

    Thanks again Tina, .  

  • mlp730
    mlp730 Member Posts: 89
    edited June 2011

    Tina337

    You had mentioned a Dr. Massey. Where is she and is she a PS? I'm so torn as to what to do. I did a spin class last night and hurt so bad today. I really want to pursue getting these implants out. I'm starting to have pain in my armpit on the right side where I had most of my issues. I'm hoping I can stand it until Sept because of vacations and a work trip the end of August. Did you take pain meds of any type?

  • mlp730
    mlp730 Member Posts: 89
    edited June 2011

    Did you have the implants taken out and if so, how do you feel? I'm going through the same thing right now. I really want to have them taken out but my concern is feeling worse! I'm not sure that's possible!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Yes, I had my implants removed April 5 of this year and feel 100% better. No pain at all anymore. None. I wasn't sure what to expect either, so I am very pleased! Dr. Massey is a PS and operates mainly in Charleston, SC and New Orleans. She does primarily microsurgery, DIEP, etc. I am the only patient she has deconstructed without doing further reconstruction. She has worked with women who have implant problems and want to switch and have breasts constructed from their own tissue and fat. She does amazing work. The bonus with Dr. Massey is that she is also skilled in lymphedema care. That is one of the main reasons I went to her. I feared the surgery would worsen my LE, but it has not.

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited June 2011

    Hi Tina337,

    I've been following your posts and I just want to say that I'm so impressed by the way you approached your implant removal, researching so carefully and finding such a skilled surgeon as Dr. Massey to do the removal. I'm also impressed with what you describe about Dr. Massey, since plastic surgeons tend to believe in reconstruction and are normally very reluctant to deconstruct. It sounds as if she really listened to you and worked hard to give you a good result. It's heartening that your lymphedema didn't get worse and fantastic that you've had relief from pain. 

    Barbara

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Thanks, Barbara. I must admit it was a long haul, and much of the time I felt very unsure of what I was doing. I consider myself quite fortunate to have found the resources and info that led me to the best care. Fear of my LE becoming any worse was a great motivator to do a lot of research. It's a shame my original PS and BS were of little help with regard to LE care or diagnosing my implant issue. Thinking about this reminds me of a discussion I need to have with my BS when I see him next. My unaddressed problem needs to come full circle as a learning experience for him and his team. Knowing what I now know, I am glad I didn't opt for revisions suggested by local PS's, and instead had an excellent surgeon perform a deconstruction. It cost me pain, time, and a lot of money, but at least I avoided further disaster. I have been bitter about my local care, but being where I am physically today makes me grateful for the way things played out. So, no more bitterness, but feedback so another patient doesn't have this experience.

  • lauralu
    lauralu Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2011

    I am so impressed with the way you have handled your surgeries. It is imperative to get the proper care. I hope that your PS and BS and the team will take note of your experience. I know what it is like to feel bitter about your local care. Diagnoses and care for Lymhedema is definitely a short fall of the medical community in general.I still wonder why they do not even look at it as a problem..Just a complication.and nothing to be concerened about

    I am still getting the run around more of less with regards to both issues. Sometimes I just get plain angry. It is hard to know how to over come the disappointment. I trusted that they would give the best of care and not more or less desert me after all was said and done. My BS just said to me "I will see you in five years"  that was it. He  is totally out of the picture til then unless the cancer returns

    When I complained of the pain and tightness I was told to be thankful that I had the opportunity to have breast reconstruction. I know that my GP just does not know what to do he has referred me to different PS and they mostly look at the way they look and more or less try to address the .cosmetic issues. I have to admit that I hate the way they look. I have stopped looking bc it just causes me more emotional pain and anger at the way things were handled. It was a nightmare I suppose I could go on and on but it would serve no purpose and just get me worked up all over again

    Thanks again for sharing you experiences with us. 

    Hugs 

    Laura 

  • Faithroad
    Faithroad Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011

    Laura - My heart goes out to you, I hate the situation you are in.  It's just not right.  I'm so sorry for the pain and misery you have experienced.

    I'm scheduled to have my implants taken out July 5, a week from tomorrow.  I'm a little nervouse about being flat, but I'm also very eager to be free of the implants. 

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited June 2011
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Actually, the article gives that percentage of 20% for breast augmentation. For implant removal after recon it says, "For breast reconstruction the figure could be as high as 1 in every 2 within ten years."

    So what's that number really? Uh, 50%!!! I used several FDA reports to decide whether to replace my implants when they failed. If I had seen these reports in addition to the Mentor handout my PS gave me, I would have passed on the implants and recon. By the way, the failure rate for replacement implants after complications are even higher than the first time around . . 

  • lauralu
    lauralu Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2011

    I did not even get  the mentor hand out until after my implants were put in. I asked my PS how long I would have them and he said ."they are permanent". When I found out the list of who have complications i was really upset!  He only mentioned the risk of infection and that it was unusual.

    I did read that the risk of further revision with  implants was higher after I did some research. That was also after the fact when I started to have problems. I guess we all hope that we will not be in the percentage of women who have complications. The implants may last a long time unfortunately our bodies are not as hardy.

    I am still trying to deal with the anger and frustration that I feel over the fact that I was Lied to.. I know that I am not the only one who feels this way. I cannot help but feel deserted and  alone when all my Dr's do not understand why I am complaining..

    .

  • mlp730
    mlp730 Member Posts: 89
    edited June 2011

    Lauralu,

    I know exactly how you are feeling - deserted and alone but finding this website and reading these posts has helped me realize that I'm not crazy and not alone in this. My PS tells me that I am the only patient that has ever had this pain and discomfort that I describe. I recently had a capsulectomy which has made the pain worse. I saw my PS yesterday to discuss removing the implants because I can't take it anymore. Of course I will be his first patient to deconstruct - hard to believe with the recent articles showing stats of problems with implants. I'm so looking forward to getting my life back and pray that it will soon be pain free!

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