New Drug Prevents Reoccurence by 65%!!!!

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Pure
Pure Member Posts: 1,796
edited June 2014 in Stage III Breast Cancer

Did anyone see on fox news that a new drug preventrs tumours from spreading by 65%? I just saw it and didn't catch the name. Anyone hear about this new drug? It wasn't zometa...Someting different..

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  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 1,107
    edited June 2011
    Pure  I saw it on AOL or CNN online the other day.  It's Aromasin.  You can check it out if you google aromasin in the news.
  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited June 2011

    I saw that but isn't that for people who haven't had bc yet. The news said is was for PREVENTING reoccurence by up to 65%.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    No, Aromasin is for those of us with breast cancer. The article talked about Tamoxifen and Aromasin being used by women with cancer so avoid a recurrence, but the medical field is now considering using them (pre-or-post menopausal) to prevent breast cancer in the first place! That was my question years ago when a customer of mine told me she was taking Tamoxifen so her cancer wouldn't come back. I asked her why we all couldn't take it then!!

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited June 2011
  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited June 2011

    Pure is correct.   Those numbers are for preventing "first breast cancer".  

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    Fearless, Pure said 65% reduction of spreading and now you say first cancer. Which is the right one?

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited June 2011

    Figures I read about were 50% not 65% and it has se's just like the other AIs - also recommended for women with "high risk for getting bc" not everybody - I wish the news media would try to interview bc patients and get their point of view - no one ever wants to talk about the se's and in my case the se's make me bedridden - now the general public thinks we have a "cure".

    Sandy

  • kathleen1966
    kathleen1966 Member Posts: 793
    edited June 2011

    And I believe this drug is estrogen related so it will not benefit hormone negative cancers? 

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited June 2011

    In the article Pure linked, the study was looking at postmenopausal women over 35 who were either: 60+, or had previous ADLH, or LCIS, or DCIS treated by Mx, but not BC, or "Gail five-year risk score greater than 1.66%" (whatever that is)  So none of them was looking at what those of us who have had BC would term a recurrence, nonetheless they were not a healthy, breast-disease-free cohort to start with. As I read it, the researchers were looking at preventing early warning signs or precancerous conditions from turning into actual invasive BC.

    To be fair, the editor included comment from "some leading oncologists" and the input from <Kent Osborne, MD, director of the breast center at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston>, did also present the patients' viewpoint and the frequent difficulties with side effects, which were reported by 88% of study participants. Interesting that the placebo also gave side-effects to 85%, so I wonder what that was then?? ( So, taking nothing is better than a placebo?)

    Also I didn't realise Aromasin was a new drug; from reading these boards it seems to be a common standard of care for many post-meno ladies?

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited June 2011

    Kathleen Yes it's an aromatase inhibitor which means it prevents something further back in the chain of production of oestrogen after menopause, so it reduces oestrogen levels, compared to tamoxifen that leaves the hormone levels intact but prevents it entering the breastcancer cells. Either of these drugs will only help if your tumour need ostrogen to grow, is ER+., a triple neg lady could take them but it woudl not affect her BC. Premenopausal ladies can't take Aromasin because the ovaries still produce most of their oestrgoen

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited June 2011

    I was wondering what the difference between Aromasin and some of the other Als like Anastrozole. There was a study that ended this past March but I can't find any info on the results yet. (I'm sure the full report isn't out).

  • weesa
    weesa Member Posts: 707
    edited June 2011

    Aromasin is hardly new. I took it in 2003 when I was freshly done with chemo. Found it very hard to cope with and switched to Femara. Aromasin is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor and arimidex and femara are non-steroidal aromatase inhibitors. Aromasin irreversibly binds up the estrogen. Several studies are on-going or recently completed to see if Aromasin is more effective than the other commonly taken aromastse inhibitors.

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited June 2011

    What gives me hope is tha tliterally we could wake up one day to find out that one of the drugs in production could be life saving. There is so much hope it's just hard to hold onto that hope sometimes:(

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited June 2011

    Here's a link to an article that explains this new study.  (Sorry, but I haven't figured out how to do clickable links on my new computer, but it's worth cutting & pasting.)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/health/research/05cancer.html 

    The 65% headline is very misleading.  65% is the absolute difference between the study groups that did & did not receive the Aromasin -- so something like 1.4% of those who didn't get Aromasin developed bc, and .5% of those who got Aromasin developed bc.  It's still important if you're in that 65% gap -- but if results were expressed in the most understandable terms, it would be a 1% better outcome for those trying to prevent a first bc dx.    Deanna

  • Mom3
    Mom3 Member Posts: 170
    edited June 2011

    So interesting to read all the new information on this drug. I'm on Arimidex, 41 and post menopausal. I wonder if my doctor would switch me? would I want him to? Anyone know the benefits? And Pure, there is always hope. I never let it go, it's what keeps me running...hope. :) I know what you mean though, so hard sometimes but we just have to get a good grip on it and never let it go. Kinda like Rose in Titanic..."I'll never let it go, Jack". LOL!!!

  • sam52
    sam52 Member Posts: 950
    edited June 2011

    I think there is some misunderstanding around this topic....

    Aromasin is not a 'new' drug - the media often misreports medical issues. I took it for 5 years, from 2005 -2010, actually side effect-free! I was switched from tamoxifen which I took for 2.5 years, as this was the protocol used in a large trial : sequetial tamoxifen then an AI (aromasin).

    Hymil has got it right - aromasin is now being suggested as being able to prevent IDC/ILC in those who had previously been dx with DCIS/LCIS or ADLH. So trying to prevent pre-cancerous conditions becoming invasive.

    There is no suggestion that aromasin is superior to either anastrozole (arimidex) or Femara.

    Sam

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    Deanna, thanks for the real numbers. That's what I meant when I said I  hoped someone who has taken Statistics 101 would jump in and make it real for us!

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited June 2011

    I've been on Aromasin for over 2 months now, I was switched from Arimidex.  For me it isn't SE-free but much better than Arimidex, with Arimidex I had severe joint pain and looked like a 90 yr old trying to stand from the sitting position.  Once I got going I was good but if I sat for a while I got really stiff.  I still have some joint pain but nothing like before, a little lower back pain, a little dizzy at times and hot flashes.  I'm much happier with Aromasin, my dr just decided to switch me after I told her how I was doing on Arimidex, she said it was known to have less SE.  I didn't ask to be switched but she said we could try it for a few mths and it was known to be just as good as the Arimidex.   I looked for a study that compared the two for a reoccurance rate and didn't find anything.  Hope this helps.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited June 2011

    Barb, I'm far from a math whiz, but I'm so tired of sensational headlines like these that purposely manipulate stats to make a drug sound far more beneficial than it is.  

    The objective of this study was clearly to find more customers for Aromasin, and presenting a 65% benefit to women concerned about developing bc will probably do that. Thank goodness a few news sources like The New York Times understand the difference between relative and absolute statistics, and bother to include the actual numbers.     Deanna 

  • katsOK
    katsOK Member Posts: 142
    edited June 2011

    Does anyone know of a study showing arromasin is better for your bones? I am looking for studies on that. Kathleen

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited June 2011

    I'm interested in knowing that too.  My onc put me on Aromasin because he said it did less damage to the bones than the other AIs  (and I have osteoporosis and osteopenia)

  • sam52
    sam52 Member Posts: 950
    edited June 2011

    I cannot see how aromasin can be any better at preventing bone loss - all the AI's work in the same way, by depleting estrogen.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited June 2011

    Barb, the link she posted said "first breast cancer", not recurrence.

    "Make room, tamoxifen: The aromatase inhibitor exemestane (Aromasin) prevents first breast cancers in moderate- to high-risk postmenopausal women, according to randomized trial results."

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited June 2011
    Barbe, re: seeking "Someone who had taken Statistics 101Smile - can i find that course online somewhere?
  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited June 2011

    So basically the news reported this wrong..Its for women at a higher risk of getting bc. I am still happy about it as it means 2 things...Great new discoverys can happen at any time..There is hope...And if this study is true this is great for people like my daughter!

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited June 2011

    I agree Jen....great news for my daughters too and they're are working on things for us so there is hope.

  • imbell
    imbell Member Posts: 659
    edited June 2011

    I found this so called breaking news weird. Aromasin is in same family as Arimidex. Neither worked for me and I am highly ER/PR+. I;d  want to see the results. Proven or another money grab. How long do you take it. When do you start. Is is worth the SE's. How high risk do you have to be? I was expecting a real breakthrough not reconstitured rubbish.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    Fearless, I was going off the wording of Pure's original post...

  • ktym
    ktym Member Posts: 2,637
    edited June 2011

    I also despise the 65% that really means a few percentage points difference. (using that as a broad term not specifics of this study).  Media does it all the time and I hate it.  However, I did think this was exciting.  We now have 3 classes of drugs proven to help in chemoprevention. Tamoxifen, Evista and Aromasin.  They're not perfect, but, anything being done to help us prevent or treat this disease I'll applaud.  Tamoxifen does suck, hate the side effects, but, the side effects of my operation and chemo were a lot worse and more long lasting.  So, Tamoxifen--bring it on.  Might just say the same to an aromatase inhibitor next.

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