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Pure
Pure Member Posts: 1,796
edited June 2014 in Stage III Breast Cancer

The past week I have been in extreme fear of dying and leaving my kids due to this pain I had. It went away and yesterday I felt like a 50 pound weight was gone. This morning I found out a girl that mentored me a bit when I was diagnosed just had a reoccurence. She was diagnosed at age27. She is now 30 so she is young with 2 beautiful children. I am beyond sad this morning for her. She had this extreme faith in the Lord and she believed she was cured. Now this.... It's in her lungs, clavicle bone, and arm. Yes her arm...Here I was all worried about me and this girl was suffering with real symptoms. I feel like I am in a bad nightmare and can't wake up. I feel like I can't live like this... Would it be easier to just accept the disease will come back one day? How do you watch people you care so deeply about suffer.

I am so over this.. Sometimes I think dying would be easier.

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  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited June 2011

    You know, for me it comes and goes. I think I am getting better at living with it all. I still seem to be constantly monitoring myself if I get a pain, but I am getting much better at not freaking out, of giving myself a couple of days to see what happens.

    But yes, sometimes the thought of what could happen to me and my family nearly knocks me off my feet. This is especially true when I hear of someone getting a reocurrence, so for you to find out that your friend is facing this must be really hard. But remember, everyone is different, you did everything you could possibly do to prevent a reocurrence, you are still doing everything you can, and you cannot do more than that. I do try to live "in the moment" as much as I can, to not think too far ahead, and to find joy in today. None of us know what tomorrow will bring.

    If you really feel you are struggling more than normally (and if you last comment is at all true), have you seen a therapist? (I saw one that specialised in cancer patients, she really helped me) Or maybe an antidepressant might just help.  You don't need to be feeling so badly.

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited June 2011

    I get it, I just don't understand why all this happens, and to such young women with young children. Doesn't seem right that anyone should have to go through this. It is hard to not worry after treatment about every pain or even during treatment. So sorry about your friend.

  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited June 2011

    life is a constant struggle - moreso for us who are living under this shadow.  All we can really do is take it one day at a time and try to squeeze every last morsel of life out of every day. 

    Not to say I don't get freaked out by every pain - i do too and then I let it go.  Sometimes I am better at it than others.

    The only think I can say with certainty is that IF it comes back I want to have no regrets about wasting my time. 

    As far as dealing with friends who are not doing well - I run 3 survivor exercise groups and have several friends (and one family member) who are currently not doing great.  I support them and treat them as I would want to be treated and sometimes it is very hard but I feel like it is my path in life to help others so I cant just do it when they are doing well!  The good news is I know many many more survivors who are doing well than those who are arent. 

    Remember Shirley.

    I agree - maybe seeing someone wouldnt be a bad idea.

  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited June 2011

    fear of the unknown is worse than fear of the known - how do you plan when you dont know what will happen?  Well - the truth is that none of us know what will happen - but everyone else (non cancer) just doesnt know that.

    make everyminute count and have no regrets.  Everything else will fall into place.

    and I am truly sorry about your friend.  please do tell her about my friend who 3 years later is still doing so very well.  

  • faithfulheart
    faithfulheart Member Posts: 544
    edited June 2011

    Ohhhhhhh , I do so understand how you feel. With my 2 lil ones, it's hard!

    You know I have a strong faith in the Lord too,  However I do believe his plans are not always ours.

    I am trying to completely surrender to this. I think it would be alot easier if we did not have to freak over ever ache and pain!!!  I am seeing a GI on monday for my stomach, its been bothering me, acid reflex ect..... I swear I would not go but bc is insisting. Pure, non of us know why this happen to us, I wish we did, and new our purpose in it all. Mabey someday we will understand, for now take deep breaths, you are alive, and we have today!  thats all anyone really has, I know that is overused, but it is true. I will pray for your friend, and I will pray for peace, lots of calming peace for all of us!!  Hang in there sweeti, go do something for yourself, anything that makes you feel good!!

    Lots of hugsssssssssss

    Steph

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    My kids are a lot older than yours but when I got the cancer word, I prayed I'd see them get married. They did! Then I prayed I'd get to see grandchildren. And I have...3 of them!! It seems like I keep making milestones and getting to that and then worrying that if I don't have another goal then I'll just give up and not have 'anything to live for.' I know that sounds kind of dramatic, but hey, that's the way we think.

    I was so worried about recurrence in the beginning that I actually came to terms with it. I will recur. I just don't know when. I have accepted it, I will be prepared, it will not send me into a tailspin. I am ready. BUT, I don't live like I'm dying, I live like I'm still living.

    Prepare for the worst - but expect the best.

    You are not alone in your thinking, trust me! Besides the pharmaceutical assistance I get for stress, I've just started seeing a counsellor. I told her the first time I met her that my next medical crisis had better be terminal because I have no fight left in me! Now when I remember saying that, it gives me goosebumps....how sad is that statement!!

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited June 2011

    When I really start feeling sorry for myself I think of my good friend. She was healthy, active,  a mom, wife, and daughter, just a really nice person. One day she went grocery shopping and and a stroke/seizure, she was only in her early 40's.  She went into a coma and soon died. They found she had some rare brain disorder with twisted veins in her brain and that is what caused her death. She had no time to say her goodbyes, but also, she did not suffer, so I do not which is worse. I am sure she left everything on a positive note, because that is just who whe was. This cancer stuff sucks, but we do really need to take advantage of each day we have, especially the days we feel ok. I am the worse at worrying about things, and I need to learn, take each day as it comes, if something bad comes up, deal with it then, to stop worrying before anything happens. Why is it so easy to say that but not to actually do that?!

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited June 2011

    I totally get what you're saying and I've thought the same thing before.  I have 2 small kids and I get down somedays myself when I feel something and think it's mets.  I'm a Christian and I had to learn that I had to surrender all (I struggle even with that somedays) and stop thinking I had any control over this because that was making me go crazy.  I've always been a control freak and the thought of not being able to do anything about this was a huge pill to swallow.  I'm so sorry to hear about your friend and my prayers go out to her but just because she reaccured doesn't mean you will. And just because she reaccured doesn't mean she can't be NED again.  Maybe a therapist might be what you need, I started a journal that is full of my rambling fears and thoughts and it helps.  You can live in fear of a something that might never happen or you can live and if it happens you deal with it then.  Living in fear will not change the outcome or prepare you any better, the day they say I'm stage IV will be an awful day whether I worried about it or not.  The anticipation of death is worse than death itself.  Hugs and prayers going your way and I hope you find some peace and comfort soon.

  • kimber3006
    kimber3006 Member Posts: 586
    edited June 2011

    I agree that maybe you should talk to someone.  Someone who specializes in cancer survivors sounds like just the ticket.  I might look one of those up myself someday.  A friend of mine, a lady I met when we were both pregnant with our only children 7 years ago was recently diagnosed at stage IV.  It sent me into a bit of tailspin, too, and is still breaking my heart.  She's 2 years younger than me, only 38.  I hate this disease.  I hate what it's done to my family, my body, her, her family, you and all of my friends here, and all of my friends who've lost their mothers to it.  I think my crazy, hectic life saves me most of the time.  I just don't have much time to focus on it.  Plus I'm usually pretty good at shoving it back into a dark little corner of my mind and diving back into the semi-controlled chaos that is this life I love.  It sounds like you're having trouble doing that.  I hope you find someone or some way to get some control over the fear.  I, too, am so sorry about your friend.  ((HUGS))

  • judylynn
    judylynn Member Posts: 28
    edited June 2011

    I can't begin to express how much I worry (off and on) about my cancer coming back.  When I'm in one of those down times, I give myself a few minutes to get it out, then I throw myself into something that consumes my mind and time.  I'm retired so I don't have outside contacts like I did when I worked.  I don't know if we ever get to the acceptance part.   I've thought about the fact that I don't want to be blind-sided if it does come back, so I try to be realistic.  I also take an antidepressant.  I took one before I had cancer and I think now it is a big help.

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited June 2011

    Hi Guys...These are great great responses. This has been such a hard time for me...I truely feel the same emotions I felt when I was first diagnoses. I hate it. My husband is so supportive so that helps but I know I have some work to do... Work that only I can do.... I wish we had more hope..I wish there was some drug being developed right now that they felt may be the next big thing! Something we could hold onto for ourselves and for others. I always tell myself I just need to stay well until the cure comes..I too belive in God and no I am just part of a bigger plan he has for us. Surrending is a whole other story..Working on that one:)

    .I am not sad for myself. I am sad for my kids. If I don't make it-if my status changes then I would need to tell them . Who wants to tell their kids that their mom is going to die. It's like KNOWING your kids are going to go through something extremely tramatic and painful that will haunt them for life and you won't be able to do anything to comfort them. That is torture for me..To know they would go through that sort of pain is overwhelming for me at times. Then I get tough an say I will here no matter what I will live to that cure comes.

    In the past 2 days I have heard from 6 stage 3 women who are 7,8 and 9 years out. I am holding tight to that. I am so sad for my friend but I am not going to loose hope for her. I am going hope and pray she too is here for the cure.

    Thank you guys for your support:) I really appreciate it.. more then words could possibly express!

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2011

    I came to this journey having almost died, twice before, so I've been tested.  I've also lost friends and family and also seen miracles. Really.  So, how do I keep myself centered.... 

    In my darkest moments, I reach deep into my psyche and remind myself, Where there is life...there is hope. 

    Thoughts and prayers to you and all our sisters.

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited June 2011

    Jen, one of the things my therapist talked through with me was the impact me dying would have on my kids. It is my biggest concern as well.

    She did so much to put my mind at ease about that issue, really, and I do believe that they would go on and live great lives even if I wasn't here. (and of course the thought of that now has bought me to tears...) Although it scares me, I know they would be fine.

    That is why I think maybe a few sessions with a cancer psyciatrist may help sort some things out for you, and hopefully bring you a bit of peace.

    This all sucks, for all of us.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2011

    I always believed that, whether we were healthy or not,  maternal instinct REQUIRES that we ALWAYS worry about our children.  Is it too much to wish for that we all get to see our children turn old and gray?  Now wouldn't that be a blessing for them and us?

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited June 2011

    When Elizabeth Edwards died-she told her kids that her arms will always be wrapped around them. That really resonated with me.. And brought tears to my eyes. But if my kids know this..That no matter what my arms around them I will have a sense of peace I guess. With that said I have avoided a Therapist b-c I don't want to relive and deal with all these feelings.... NOt a great reason I know but I suspect that is why I avoide doing so...

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited June 2011

    You know, I only saw mine twice, but she helped me so much. Mind you I had just finished up Chemo so everything was still pretty fresh.

    I walked in the first time and just cried and cried, and even just being able to say my fears aloud was therapeutic for me. It was also nice to get a totally objective opinion on things. She didn't say "oh, you'll be OK", which so many people do when you get scared. There were things I could talk to her about that I couldn't talk to Angus about, for example, because I know it would upset him. (cos they are his fears too)

    I just think if you are feeling a bit stuck with your feelings it might help you move forward a bit.  It didn't make me feel any less scared, but it just made me feel a bit more prepared that even if the worst was to happen, we would cope with it.

  • MaxineO
    MaxineO Member Posts: 555
    edited June 2011

    I see people responding both ways: fully expecting the bc to come back and also expecting never to see it again. I suspect most of us in fact think one way or the other, depending on the moment.

    BC affects everyone, and there is no pattern! That is what is so frustrating. Some women are DCIS and then are stage IV a few years later. Others are stage III and many years NED. Even with the cancer predictors, there is so much randomness. So, how are we supposed to get comfortable?

    Like some of the other post-ers have said, my faith has helped me enormously by taking control out of my hands. Death doesn't scare me, leaving my kids behind scares me. In fact, I can't even think about that without sobbing.

    Try to take one day at a time. Always.  It may come back, it may not. But if it does, you don't want to look back on the intervening years as a period of only worry.  I remind myself now that I am on borrowed time, so I had better use it thougtfully.

    Thinking of you and hoping you can find some peace. Perhaps a counselor would help deal with some of these fears.  We have to go through so much. It is okay to lean on someone else.  Lots of hugs.

  • clariceak
    clariceak Member Posts: 752
    edited June 2011

    Jenn - sorry you are going through a rough patch.  Everyone has wonderful advice.  I know you like to be proactive and you've done a remarkable job with fitness, nutrition, and losing weight.  I also remember you posting about Zometa early on, and based on those posts and others, I convinced my onc to put me on it.  So in that vein, I found this on the chemobabe site and was wondering if you had heard about Meformin.

    "Last week, I also participated in my first clinical trial. I had learned about it through Susan Love's remarkable project, The Army of Women (AoW). I had a doctor's appointment anyway. It only involved drawing a few extra tablespoons of blood and a follow-up phone call. The researcher I spoke with said that AoW has made a huge difference in their ability to recruit enough subjects for their study. Across the board, she said, the participants have been eager to help.

    I had intended to do another clinical trial at the end of my treatment, but it didn't work. For that trial, I would take Metformin to prevent a recurrence. Because my tumors were hormone-receptor negative, I am not taking anything like Tamoxifen or Armidex to prevent recurrence. My chance of recurrence is around 20-30%.

    My oncologist had explained to me why they were prescribing the diabetes drug to breast cancer survivors.  They had done meta-analyses of survival and recurrence rates in breast cancer survivors. Metformin seemed to significantly lower recurrence rates when they looked at populational data, controlling for other factors like weight, age, and fitness. They thing it has to do with cortisol suppression.

    I ended up not being able to do the clinical trial because the Metformin shipment got held up in Canada. By the time it arrived, I was no longer qualified because of my date of diagnosis. My doctor offered to prescribe it to me for off-label use."

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    Remember, you also threw everything at your cancer!! You did all you could..and while pregnant too! Some women might not have had the guts to do what you did. Give yourself credit for that one, too.

    There ARE drugs being invented. Can you imagine how the HER2+ women felt when Herceptin came out?? But how hopeless they must have felt before it....

    I know what you mean about being sad for them, not you. I even taped one of those Hallmark books for both of my married kids before they were even pregnant! I didn't know if they would ever hear 'NaNa's' voice otherwise. We can eat our guts out thinking of things like that.....

    I hate that I have physical restrictions as well as cancer behind me, as I don't want my grands to remember NaNa as being 'ill'. I want them to remember the kooky lady who lets them do things their mothers don't!

    You also have to deal with post-tramautic-stress-disorder. I explained to another 'survivor' as I waited for my bone scan today. "You were sent to the front line of the war you didn't ask to be in", I saw her husband watching me and nodding, "bullets were fired at you! They were so close to you that you heard them pass, maybe they even nicked you. But you didn't die! You are okay! It's hard to wrap your head around how close you were to your own death, no one wants to see that."

    We have the technology to help these kinds of feelings and you have the right to feel safe. Please ask for help. You did when you posted this thread, but we can't hold your hand as you go through this...just virtually. Hugs!

  • browniefranks
    browniefranks Member Posts: 87
    edited June 2011

    The posts on this thread have been immensely helpful...

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited June 2011

    browniefranks...I am glad:) I tend to throw it all down in terms of emotions:)

    Clariclark-That is really interesting about the Metformin...Are you taking it?

  • clariceak
    clariceak Member Posts: 752
    edited June 2011

    I'll meet with my onc in a few weeks and I may ask her about it. She's not the most progressive onc so I suppose she'll just say wait for more studies.  I'm more inclined to take a risk and try it, as long as the side effects are manageable.  I just found the article a few days ago and need to research it further.

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited June 2011

    I'm so sorry about your friend, Pure. I always hated using the phrase "it sucks", but boy, nothing else quite cuts it, does it?

    I have done the whole roller coaster countless times - sad to mad to despair to hope. I feel sometimes as if I'm stuck in some Stephen King novella - Cancerland! the amusement park no one wants to visit.

    Anyway, at this point, I am so determined to keep cancer from taking another thing --ie, my hope and zest-- that I "power past" the fears of recurrence. They exist, and I have moments when I picture my funeral or  the things I would do if it happens, but for the most part, I try to focus on the fact that worry doesn't prevent it, and I want to live life to the fullest BECAUSE of that. Not easy, and I"m not sermonizing or trying to gatekeep anyone else's feelings. Some days are harder than others - just today, I was finishing up yoga class in shivasana (resting pose) and tears were streaming down my cheeks because, well, because.

    prayers and (((hugs))) to you. glad we can hash this out all together.

    janyce

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited June 2011

    My husband is in the Army and has deployed many times, he has helped me so much through this because he himself has knocked on deaths door too many times to count but he is safe at home now and even though he might have some PTSD it's different, we can never leave the war and be safe anywhere, it will always haunt us.  I don't know any of you but I love you all because you do get it and I don't feel like a complete loon.  All we can do is get on here and help each other down off our ledges of fear that each of us take turns getting on. 

    You can't send cancer to death row the way you can a murderer even though it killed a part of you, you can't lock it up like you can a theft even though it took something from you, you can't even yell at it the way you can a person that hurt you even though it hurt you too, all you can do is pick yourself up and keep on, keepin' on and never give up.  We're here for you Jen.

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