number of radiation treatments? 28 vs. 33?

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MaxineO
MaxineO Member Posts: 555

Hi all, I am almost done with chemo and heading into radiation.  I have visited two radiation oncologists, and while most of there recommendations were the same, one recommended 28 treatments and the other 33.

I have been exploring the site but can't find an answer to why the difference. Does it have to do with stage or lymph node involvement or something else? 

Also, searching through the boards, there are a lot of mentions of boosts. What are these? My doctors never mentioned them.

I appreciate all of your help...radiation is the next stop on the treatment train...

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  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2011

    Ask them what the total amount of the rads are.  And also ask if there are any boosts and if so why.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2011

    Boosts are usually given around the surgical site to reduce the chance of recurrence in that area.  They usually give them when the margins are less than 5mm. 

  • MamaV
    MamaV Member Posts: 907
    edited June 2011

    Maxine - I have 6 weekly Taxols to go (5 after tomorrow - finally can count down on one hand) - and will be starting radiation after that.  Im interested in learning more about the radiation too so will lurking here to see what kind of feedback you get.  My RO said to expect 6 weeks of radiation so sounds close to what you are hearing.  Good luck!

    By the way, what was your chemo schedule?  You were diagnosed just a few weeks before me and if you are just finishing up, I bet we were on similar schedules.  I was 4 x A/C every three weeks and now weekly Taxol.  Can't wait to be done!

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2011
    What Is a Radiation Boost For Breast Cancer?

        By                       Pam Stephan    ,         About.com Guide             

    Updated May 17, 2010

                 

    Question: What Is a Radiation Boost For Breast Cancer?

    Early-stage breast cancer is often treated with a lumpectomy or mastectomy and radiation.  Even though the tumor may have been small and no metastasis was found, women and their doctors still look for ways to prevent a recurrence.  The technique of giving a radiation boost at the end of treatment has been very effective in keeping breast cancer from coming back.

    Answer:

    A Little Extra At The End of Radiation

    A radiation boost is one or more extra treatments, given at a higher dose than routine treatments, and targeted at the tumor bed.  This extra dose covers a small area and affects the tissue where cancer is most likely to return.  Radiation boost treatments are given after the regular sessions of radiation are complete.  Women who are 40 years old or younger at time of treatment get the most benefit from a radiation boost, but patients of all ages will have a lower risk of recurrence if they receive a booster treatment.

    The Boost Dose Benefits Patients with Early Stage Breast Cancer

    For patients diagnosed with early stage breast cancer, either ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS) or invasive breast cancer, a radiation boost protects against recurrence.  Most patients who have a lumpectomy will qualify for radiation with a boost, and in some rare cases, mastectomy patients may also have radiation and the boost.  There is some disagreement among radiation oncologists as to whether or not a radiation boost really benefits a patient diagnosed with DCIS, but it has become the standard of care.

    Having a Radiation Boost

    Breast cancer patients may have whole breast radiation (WBI) or partial breast radiation (given with external beams or brachytherapy), after which boost doses are given.  If you're having a lumpectomy and are planning on radiation, surgical clips may be placed at the time of surgery, to help your radiation oncology team target your tumor bed during treatment.  Your boost dose may be given with external radiation, via interstitial catheters, or from within a brachytherapy applicator.  The targeted boost dose may be given in one session, or during five to seven daily sessions. Because the dose is greater than a standard treatment and very focused on a small area of tissue, some radiation fibrosis can occur at the boost site.  In most cases, this should not be bothersome.

    Radiation Boost May Mean Fewer Mastectomies, Longer Life

    After being diagnosed with breast cancer, the first decision you may face is whether to have a lumpectomy or a mastectomy.  You have to weigh that decision with the fact that breast cancer is most likely to recur in the same breast, right at the tumor site.  Many women opt to remove the whole breast, in hopes of never having breast cancer come back.  A radiation boost is designed to prevent recurrence at the tumor site, even after a lumpectomy.  Research has shown that women who had a radiation boost had fewer local recurrences, as compared to those patients who didn't have the boost. Doctors hope that, because of better radiation techniques, more women will be able to choose lumpectomy over a mastectomy, and have a better quality of life after treatment.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited June 2011

    How Much Radiation?

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    The amount of radiation you receive to the breast area depends on factors such as:

    • the size of the cancer
    • the surgical margins of resection
    • the "personality" of the cancer
    • whether lymph nodes were involved
    • the type of surgery you had

    Your doctor will prescribe a total dose of radiation. The total dose is broken up into daily doses, which are also called fractions. The basic unit of radiation is called a rad or centiGray. Generally, you will receive 180-200 rads or centiGrays during each daily session:

    • For radiation to the whole breast and/or lymph node areas, the usual total dose is about 4500-5000 centiGrays over 5 weeks. Your doctor may then recommend an additional 1000-2000 centiGrays over 1 week delivered as a boost, targeted to the area where the tumor used to be.
    • Partial-breast radiation with external beam or internal radiation usually involves a total dose of 3400 centiGrays given over 1 week.
     



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  • Sherryc
    Sherryc Member Posts: 5,938
    edited June 2011

    You really should ask the Drs. but I suspect that 28 is the regular and 33 is with 5 boost.  I had 28 reg and 6 boost for a total of 34 treatments.  My RO did not tell me about boost either he just said 34 treatments.  By the time I started radiation I had heard about boost and asked the techs about it and they gave me the breakdown

  • Makratz
    Makratz Member Posts: 12,678
    edited June 2011

    I had 28 reg and 5 boosts with a total of 33.  Ask  your doctors!  Best of luck!

  • MaxineO
    MaxineO Member Posts: 555
    edited June 2011

    This is very helpful. I was told radiation is a given with 4+ nodes positive even though I had a MX.  I wonder if the boosts are given for MX patients?

    voraciousreader: thanks for all the information. Figuring out the rads treatments is more complicated than I thought. I had MX but am under 40, had positive nodes but clear margins. So much to consider...

    MamaV: I had 4 DD A/C and am halfway through 4 DD taxol (#7 of 8 tomorrow!); treatments every 2 weeks. After diagnosis, I transferred my treatment to Chicago, which delayed surgery to Feb. I started chemo in March and will start rads in July.

  • MamaV
    MamaV Member Posts: 907
    edited June 2011

    Maxine - good luck finishing Taxol soon.  I will be done July 7 and then radiation to follow.

    To everyone who finished radiation - this is my new source of major anxiety.  I am worried about the fatigue.  I have taken off a lot of work since December and it has taken a financial toll on us.  I've heard some people say they worked straight through radiation and others say they had to go on disability b/c they were so exhausted!  I can't imagine it could be nearly as taxing as chemo, but this darn breast cancer takes such an emotional toll that I can't get the fear out of my head.  Any encouragement would be appreciated!

    Vicky

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited June 2011

    Vicky, I've heard that  women who had chemo consider radiation to be much easier. (I got to skip chemo. In my case, the fatigue set in half way through rads. I finished 2 weeks ago and my energy is much better now.) The best advice I got was to schedule naps (and go to bed early). Also, exercise helps. I aimed to walk 1/2 hr a day (though sometimes I only made it for 20 mins). I also went to a "guided imagery" class throughout my treatment. The days I went I got the best sleep ever. So maybe try something like that (available on CD) My cancer buddy (at the support center) worked through rads (and she rode her bike to/from treatment!). So like everything, I think this varies for each patient.

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited June 2011

    MamaV - I work as a supplemental employee and I worked until my first of two surgeries were scheduled. I am allowed 3 months of inactivity from my job. My job is 70 miles round trip from my house and it was a night job. It paid well but once you factored in cost of gasoline, etc., it was not that drastic a drop in family income. I just had my 10th of 33 scheduled treatments and am nowing feeling a little of the fatigue. To be fair I need to work on not operating like business as usual doing everything, because it isnt. The advice you have received is the same I was told by the nurses. Listen to your body when you are tired. Sometimes it isnt feasible to take forty winks but rest when you can. My ONC already prepared me that chronic fatigue would be difficult to deal with and begin to be felt about halfway through the treatments. And by the way I didnt have chemo either but from what people have said who have done both said radiation is a breeze compared to chemo. You will be fine. Diane

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited June 2011

    I agree - ask your RO.  I had 25 regular zaps plus 8 boosts making 33 total treatments.

  • MamaV
    MamaV Member Posts: 907
    edited June 2011

    Thanks all!  I had my 7th Taxol today and met with my OC.  I finish chemo July 7 so probably won't start rads until August.  Sounds like rads are doable and I will schedule them in the afternoon so I can go home and rest if I need to.  Right now I will focus on getting through the next 5 weeks of Taxol - one day at a time!

  • MaggieMc2
    MaggieMc2 Member Posts: 54
    edited June 2011

    Maxine, you got a lot of good information here. I am almost finished with radiation. Just 5 more boosts. It was soooo much easier than chemo. I never had fatigue (had that during chemo), but everyone's treatment is just a bit different. The worst thing for me about radiation is redness, like a bad sunburn, and itchiness. Go to the June radiation boards to get a better idea of what to expect. There is a lot of support here to help you get through every step of this journey.

    I wanted to add that I also had BMX and did not have any positive nodes.
  • mi85vette
    mi85vette Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2016

    HI ladies, I went through 4 months of Chemo already. I got 1 treatment every three weeks for 4 months. For me it was nothing. I did treatment on a Thursday then went back for a lunsesta shot in the back of my arm to boost my white blood cells. I am in Radiation now and have 6 more to go....Im sorry to say the treatment its self is painless but after about 4 weeks you will see a difference in your skin and a lot of color changes !!! I am in my 6th week and BOY am I burned and hurting from the peeling and very sore from inside....I know I will survive so after the 7th of September I can start heeling again and I wont hurt anymore. The creams they give you are such a pain to use cause they are thick and sticky...more messing then help !!! Today is Monday and on Wednesday I start my boost. I was told the whole 28 treatments I have had were targeted at my breast area and lymphnoids and the boost will only be targeted to the tumor sites they removed that way my whole chest isn't feeling the percussion any longer. THANK GOD !!!!!!!!!!!! I went into radiation with 33 visits total and will be finished on Sept 7th. HURRAY!!!!!!!!!! I know it isn't fun but hang in there and you will be fine !!!! USE ALL THE CREAM YOU CAN wether it helps or not but keep your skin moist !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • etnasgrl
    etnasgrl Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2016

    I had the Canadian protocol done which was 20 total rounds of radiation, 15 regular and 5 boosts. The Canadian protocol is where they give you higher doses of radiation during each treatment, so you have less treatments over all.
    My radiation oncologist told me that studies have shown less side effects with the Canadian protocol, while still delivering the same amount of radiation as standard treatments.
    I was pleased with the results.....I got my radiation finished faster than if I had gone with standard treatments and my skin held up incredibly well. Smile

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