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Suzybelle
Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

So I worked in the yard today (and it's 93 degrees here today) and quit about 10:15 this a.m. before it really got hot.   I got myself cleaned up and went shopping.  And after two hours of looking for tank tops and a decent looking swimsuit (which sucked bad enough before I got a bmx.  HELLO, World.  Do you KNOW how bad it sucks to try and find decent swimsuits to wear whilst going flat???  I think not.) I give up and go to Bed Bath and Beyond and at the checkout, the girl says, "So, did your kids attack you with silly tape, or what?" in reference to my kinesio tape on my right arm.  And I say, "No, I hurt it last year, but it's no big deal."  And she says, "Well, I hate to be nosy, but what did you do to it?"  So I say, (with no patience and no grace.) "I had a bilateral mastectomy and I now have lymphedema, which is a side effect of the surgery."  And she gets all embarrassed and is stumbling around and there are people behind me and to the side of me that have heard all of this, and for a second, I actually feel sorry for her and embarrassed at myself that I didn't go easy on her.  But I am hot, and tired, and sick of struggling with no boobs, and no decent swimsuit, and for a minute, all the frustrations of living with this shit just kind of get to me, and a small part of me actually enjoys the fact that she is squirming around feeling really bad for asking me an intrusive question. Cry

And of course, I tell her not to worry about it; it's no big deal.  But I leave that store wondering when I'm going to quit expecting so much of people.  And hell, I'm the one walking around with a multi-colored arm - I shouldn't be surprised that she asked.

And normally it really is no big deal.  But a day of looking for tank tops and swimsuits that will look decent on me kind of did me in, you know? Frown

Most days it doesn't bother me and I am actually happy with where I am after bc and le.

Today is not one of those days.

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  • faithandfifty
    faithandfifty Member Posts: 10,007
    edited May 2011

    No, it's really not one of those days.

    To me, today has me feeling mostly like an invalid. I'm so frustrated and on the verge of a big-time melt-down.

    I am being kept "house bound".

    Why you ask?

    It's not unsufferably hot nor humid here. That will come later this summer.

    In northern WI at the moment there is a plague of mosquitos.

    Having sprayed and doused from head-to-toe and not seeming to deter this pesky reptiles one iota, I am attempting to tell myself that it's better to stay inside on this blue-sky day.

    Arggggggggggggggg

    And I know the no-boob, flat thing is on my mind as well.

    I'm often pretty accepting, but we're going out to dinner and it would be glorious to choose an outfit based on what I'd like to wear, rather than camophlage for my various ideosycrycies.

    whinewhinewhinewhinewhinewhine

    Sending you a gentle hug.

  • revkat
    revkat Member Posts: 763
    edited May 2011

    Suzybelle, I am so sorry. I get sick of this and my LE is only mild. But I still get sick of the sleeve (and am totally bummed to have read the the lymphediva sleeves aren't long enough for those of us with gorilla arms). And I really get sick of the constant, if mild, ache in my shoulder/arm/side, because it alwasy reminds me of cancer/surgery/LE.

    As far as swimsuits go, being a tad older than you, I am happy with a one piece tyr fitness type suit. I like to think that I just look like my 20 year old daughter who is a competitive swimmer and has a very flat (due to genetics and being slim) chest. So I wear that with a floaty sheer cover up and call things good.

    And as far as the sales clerk, well she asked for it! You gave a brief polite answer and if it wasn't enough for her she deserves to feel squirmy!

    I hope you get a cool evening with people you enjoy. 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited May 2011

    Suzy, you gave her the polite answer, and she just had to push the envelope. That's just plain rude.

    When she said "I hate to be nosey"--wouldn't it be great to say "And yet you are--so I kind of doubt you hate it, more likely you really enjoy being inappropriate. IT"S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, SO DON"T ASK!!!!"

    Faith--it sucks, sucks, sucks to have to dress to deal with all of this.

    Revkat--ditto, it stinks to have the reminder and the ache.

    I've been packing up our house all day, in the dripping humiditiy and heat, and while vacuuming the boiler (someone has to) discovered the hot water tank had sprung a leak. And our long time plumber has gone nuts with his prices, and one pricey tank later--had to be on a holiday--I'm ready for the primal scream. I wore my long glove all day and NO ONE--not neighbors, landscape guy or plumber guy, batted an eyelash. 

    LE sucks like a hoover vaccum cleaner: some incredibly wise woman wrote that once...

    Kira

  • sushanna1
    sushanna1 Member Posts: 764
    edited May 2011

    I hear all of you.  I am getting ready to "suit up" and mow the lawn.  It's a very small lawn and I use a small push mower, but I really dread it.  I haven't had a serious flare since June of 2005 so while I am grateful that I am doing so well, I really, really hate this time of year and its hot, humid weather.  Kira--A broken hot water heater on a holiday tops all.  I am so sorry.

    Sue 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2011

    OUCH!!!Frown

    Ooh, Suzy, I can so feel your frustration! I can start off shopping in great good spirits and end up in the hole every time. It's not that I can't find things that appeal to me -- it's that when I try them on in the fitting room and look in the mirror it makes me cry.Cry

    As for the cashier, she asked for the truth and she got it -- what's to feel bad about? Shame on her for being embarrassed! If she'd been thinking of you and not herself she'd have reached over that counter and given you a big ol' hug. Being real can be painful sometimes, but there's just not enough of it in the world, so brava for you!Kiss I hope deep down it made you feel a whole lot better!Smile

    Kira, what's not to hate about moving?!Tongue outYell How about dinner out tonight? With something very chocolate for dessert...

    Swell hugs all around!
    Binney, admiring the sunshine from inside <sigh!>

  • kane744
    kane744 Member Posts: 461
    edited May 2011

    Oh shit, sweetie, I'm so sorry for how you are feeling.  It's the beginning of our dreaded season and all the feelings we've buried in the snow are bursting forth in radiant colored vomitous crap!!  And somehow we expect ourselves to go through it with smiles on our faces.  NOT!!  So try not to pile more manure on your pretty little head for telling one nosy cashier the truth. After all, she asked.

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited May 2011

    Suzy that sucks, she should not be in frontline customer service. She doesn't hate to be nosey. You tried to deflect her curiosity most politely, you gave her a chance to shut the *** up but she missed her cue and suffered the consequences. But maybe you brought her one step nearer to learning tact and common good manners.

    And lawnmowers suck, and mosquitoes they really suck!! Long arms however, they are useful although they make it hard to get good sleeves. We will work on that one. Can you tell I have long arms too.

    Hey come round to mine, swell sisters, I am having hot chocolates with marshmallows. Online virtual party, I think we all need it.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2011
    I'm in, hymil! How about a sprinkle of cinnamon and a dollop of whipped cream?Cool
    Binney
  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited May 2011

    "I hate to be nosey" WTF is that all about. No you don't or you wouldn't be asking the damn question. Some people are just stupid or young. I usually tell  people when confronted like that "you don't want to know" Typically they think the worst (cancer) but never know for sure. It's a nice way to let them know they really shouldn't be asking questions like that.

  • Randi64
    Randi64 Member Posts: 177
    edited May 2011

    Wow! I can so relate to this! I have just started to wear my sleeve and gauntlet in public with short sleeves on,so it's now obvious. Each and every time,someone asks me "what's wrong with your arm?" Even the bank teller at the drive through asked...WTF is right! If I say lymphedema more questions arise. I now realize that boundaries and politeness were not taught to many people!!! I hope everyone was able to enjoy the long weekend!

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited May 2011

    I knew you guys would make me feel better...and I was so right.  Thank you.  You guys are all geniuses.

    Kira, so sorry about the water heater - how do appliances/A/C/water heaters know to quit during the holidays?  It never fails.

     Faith, hope you had fun on your night out - I'm sure you were lovely, my friend.

    Thanks again, ladies.  Yesterday was one of those days when being flat and having the swelled up arm was a wee bit much...but thankfully, I have a group of friends who know exactly how that feels. Kiss

  • dogeyed
    dogeyed Member Posts: 884
    edited May 2011

    I read this thread because of the title, "so sick of this," and I swear, you people are some kinda funny, almost every post had a gem, just loved reading this.  I'm a Feb chemo person and still in the middle of all that, and I'm sick of it, too.  I heard somewhere that you get used to this, but i do not want this to be my new normal.  I shuffle and lurch, I'm exhausted, sleep all the time, nervous, lots of pain, digestion goes all over the place (literally), and I have really had it.  I do not understand why they can't figure out how to try to kill us with a little more comfort, happy pills, if you will.  Like I said in another post somewhere on the web, I think everybody over the age of 50 should have morphine in their medicine cabinets.  My swimsuit apparel will consist of a dark t-shirt and cut-offs for beach wading.  I'm fat, I'm short a boob, apparently I'm now permanently allergic to the sun, so maybe someone should come out with a line of swimsuits for the appearance-impaired.  I mean, couldn't they maybe bare that part of us, do a cut-out?  It's no longer there, so why not live like men do??  GG

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited May 2011

    Suzy, that was a great rant!!!  It sure made me feel better.  I'm sorry you reached the end of your tether yesterday but sometimes ya just have to blow because LE sure does!!  I've looked at a few bathing suits but with one breast and not wanting to pad the other side......well, lets just say, it's challenging.  Your frustration is understandable.  Under the bed everyone, have a brownie.

    Suzy, somehow you always manage to make LE seem funny.  That is a great talent!!!

  • angeljoy
    angeljoy Member Posts: 128
    edited May 2011

    Summer clothes shopping really does suck for those of us who have had mastectomies and no recon.  I can deal a lot better in cooler weather when things tend to be less bare.  I've been shopping around online for another swimsuit, and ya know what gets to me?  The models with the perfect boobs and cleavage hanging out of their "mastectomy suits"!  I'm talking about Lands End, but it's certainly not the only place I've seen it. Do they think I'm stupid enough to think their suit will make me, who is totally flat and scarred on one side, look like that? If those suits are as low-cut as they appear in the photos I can't even wear them.  And more importantly, do they really think I want to look at all the perfect boobs while shopping for a mastectomy suit? Stupid and insensitive of them, I think!

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited May 2011
    Angel, that drives me nuts too.  And so many of those items are cut so low on the sides that it will show my great white sharkish scars that I would really prefer not to share with the world, you know?

    ARGH.  I told my husband this a.m. - I have three months where I have to batten down the hatches...I can do this for three months.  I can do this...I can do this....ARGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Having LE in the summertime sucks so bad.
  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited May 2011

    Oh Suzy I used to love the summer too.  But now........not so much.  In the winter it's easier to cover things up when we go out which helps avoid the incessant questions.  (I know it's human nature to be curious but it does get tiresome.)  Now we have to be careful of so many things plus when I wear my sleeve I like to cover it simply to protect it from snags, dirt, etc.  I thought I was a hermit before, ha, weren't nothing like I am now.  Blech, the whole thing sucks.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Yeah, a formed summer girl here, too. Yesterday while going through clothes I can no longer wear since my deconstruction, I opened a drawer and found several Brand New bathing suits that I never got to wear once my LE kicked in. If I can't wear a bra because they always sit on my "hot spot" and cause a flare, I doubt a bathing suit would be any kinder. Anyway, so I haven't faced trying on any of those yet, but I'm sure they are too low cut for forms. I can't even stand sitting in the sun, so I don't know why I am concerned. And then there's the fact that I am more out of shape now than in my entire life, and it's a struggle just to look at myself in shorts and a sleeveless top . . .



    Susie, I'm sorry you had such a rough day. You, too, Kira, and everyone here on this thread. I think this time of year always makes me a little sad and wistful. So many things to remind me of the past and what I now can no longer do. It's always the time that I think back to my carefree days.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2011

    Dogeyed, hello! I can't resist offering you a couple of pages of lymphedema risk reduction information. Knowledge is power, and where lymphedema is concerned, knowledge can be mighty hard to get from our team of doctors, despite the fact that we are ALL at risk.

    http://www.lymphnet.org  (See their Position Papers on risk reduction, air travel, and exercise)

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/riskreduction_for_lymphedema.htm

    There you go -- arm yourself with information.Cool Hope the remainder of your treatment goes smoothly, and that you never have to join the ranks of our Sorority of Swell!Kiss
    Binney

  • kane744
    kane744 Member Posts: 461
    edited May 2011
    I'm sharing a secret here.  Deep down in I'm kind of relieved that having LE gives me an excuse not to be in the sun and wear bathing suits.  I've hated them for many years now.  Well, ever since I got old and droopy all over.  I'm hanging my head here, embarrassed because so many of you, my friends, are going through so much pain over this and I don't find it anything but relieving!  Forgive me.
  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited May 2011

    kane, it's okay - I totally understand.  I was never a Victoria's Secret model, but I had a pretty cute figure and while I didn't look like a bombshell in a swimsuit, I looked decent.  And while I had no cleavage to speak of, I did have a beautiful shoulder/chest area, if I say so myself!  That's gone.  It all got sucked/scraped away during my surgery.  It's sad looking now...and I'm like Tina...this time of year kind of makes me sad because it's gone.  And then I feel ticked at myself for feeling this way.  I'm here, cancer free.  Why am I b#tching about how hard it is to find clothes and how I look in swimsuits?  What a wiener/whiner I am.

  • algreach
    algreach Member Posts: 55
    edited May 2011

    Can I just say thank you? Your rant, so wonderfully expressed, made me realize that I'm not the only one who isn't looking forward to summer. I'm an indoor chick anyway, because I hate the hot sticky weather we get in the valley, but I'm feeling very self-conscious every time I go out now. Time for a fudgsicle, I think.

  • kane744
    kane744 Member Posts: 461
    edited May 2011

    Suz, don't you just HATE it when you reveal your feelings to someone who's never dealt with any of this crap and then they say, "Well, at least you're alive."  I swear I wanna punch 'em.

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited May 2011

    I've not heard of a fudgesicle before, but it sounds an amazing confection, i might make one just to dunk in the hot chocolate (with whipped cream, yes, and sprinkles too.)

    I never enjoyed buying swimwear before BC, and it sure got worse this year. Frown I have nice ankles.... 

  • faithandfifty
    faithandfifty Member Posts: 10,007
    edited May 2011

    Hymil. You made me laugh and laughing is good!!!!!

    "I have nice ankles"

    LOL................

    It's bittersweet laughter.

    I always used to think that my arms were one of my best features. I have these cute little wrists and always thought that my arms were delicate.

    Now I look at women's arms with a wry and heavy heart.

    I did notice an elderly woman at church on Sunday and for a trim ol' gal her ankles looked like elephant ankles. I realized that whatever had caused her affliction had also seen her to old age and I exhaled.

    Grace-in-action.

    To be philosophical, sufficiently-zen-accepting enough, not to have this physical vessel mean so much would be one thing, but to have my aching arm impact my day-to-day is all together another.

    Living and being alive a gift to be sure.

    To continually be restricted by something so outta left field takes more insight than I have in the summer time.

    I do have a brilliant idea though and will get to documenting it and sharing shortly. Stay tuned.

    xx00xx00xx00xx

    The other thing, is that I remind myself that I'm a granny and that it all comes down to perspective and deplore that LE has raised it's ugliness for some of you young, spry babes.

  • daffodil45
    daffodil45 Member Posts: 76
    edited May 2011

    Hi ladies.... I hardly ever post, but had to chime in here! IT SUCKS!!!!! I am lucky enough to live in the Pacific Northwest, so I rarely have to deal with the swimsuit thing, but I have made a cool discovery that I must share.... there is a company, EXOFFICIO, that makes travel-type clothing. They have some long sleeved light weight/almost sheer (cover the sleeve...almost/at least most of it) tunic tops, that are mosquito repellant! I wear a cami underneath and it is very comfortable.COSTCO is selling these great tummy control camis right now... I hate looking down past my flat shark-bite chest and looking at my belly! ICK! We could all start a clothing line FBCGWL. Fat Breast Cancer Girls With Lymphedema. Ha! Sorry if offensive.... gonna go find a fudgesicle now and sit out in the mist....

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited May 2011

    Daffodil, not offensive at all, IMO, but very funny.

    My mother sent me a vest that has a mosquito repellent, but I was afraid to wear it--I'm ragweed allergic and sometimes the repellent is permethrin which cross reacts. Oh, I should just get over it, and wear it.

    Definitely remember a horrible evening, a graduation party in a house in the woods, and I hid inside and demanded that we go home. Luckily a few people came in to join us. Sux

    Kira

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited May 2011

    Pacific Northwest, that's out beyond the Oregon trail way? Love your sense of humour, Pioneers' daughter!

  • daffodil45
    daffodil45 Member Posts: 76
    edited May 2011

    Well, I am way past that Oregon Trail.... on an island in the Puget Sound..... do have lots of mosquitos though come the 2 weeks of warm weather in August!!!! EXOFICCIO clothing is not sprayed with chemicals, as far as my research has shown me.... it is impregnated into the cloth that the fabric is made from, is very safe, and apparently lasts for over 60 washings ( I wouldn't pound it with a stone and lye....). My DH is a fly fishing guide, and swears by the stuff to keep from being nipped at. Just bought a couple of cute, gauzy tops at their shop at the Seattle airport... I'm sure they are on line somewhere! Along that thought line... I wonder if there is some sort of a fabric wash, to wash sleeve and gauntlet in to make it less appealing to bugs.... Thoughts anyone?

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited May 2011
    Mmmmm, that's very very northwest then. (hunts for school atlas...)  That's a great idea to make the sleeves bug-repellant. A camping/outdoor shop might be a place to try? Only some sprays might damage the elastic fabric and shorten the sleeve life?
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    For me, I think the bathing suit issue, as well as LE, represent a number of losses and a reality check about the stage of life I'm entering. At the same time I was going through my bilateral mastectomy and recon with implants, I was also going through menopause. Combine that with a painful experience which really limited my ability to exercise and it's amazing how your body can change. The implants were supposed to be like some effing "prize" I got from having BC. Those bathing suits were purchased to celebrate my new "boobs", and I got to wear one Once before the LE kicked in. All the issues with my implants eventually led me to deconstruct, and mostly I've been so happy since I'm now pain free. I was sort of surprised to find myself upset about those stupid suits, but it's related to the loss I feel about the recon. This is my third summer with LE, and I honestly think there will always be some annual grieving that goes along with the season, as one can't help but acknowledge how life has changed. I have made great strides in coming to terms with my (once again) new appearance, but I will always miss the feeling of freedom to go anywhere I pleased with no worries.



    I think it's normal to experience this seasonal sadness. My best coping thoughts about my summer limitations and no longer being a "summer girl" are to think about how many different things there are to do in life. Because I can no longer do X, then I will just have to find new forms of fun and entertainment. Creativity has certainly helped me get through the the BC/recon saga, and I'm sure it will help me figure out new ways to enjoy life. I try to focus on the things I can do, vs. the things I can no longer do. It's the only way I keep my sanity and feel hopeful about my life and the future.

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