anyone out there with auto-immune/chronic pain issues before dx?

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Barbe- LOL!!! So true!

  • sunangel27
    sunangel27 Member Posts: 310
    edited May 2011

    Elimar......they are treating me for the fibromyalgia and the pain from the breast. Hopefully the neurontin and the savella will help with that.

    I haven't had to take the loratab this evening. I had another spinal nerve block today and I can even cup my boob in my hand, rub it and IT DON'T HURT!!!!!! :)     This is the first time I haven't been in pain since my biopsy on 12/9/10!!!!! I have cried and cried today just because it has been such a RELIEF!!!!! 

    I have heard that before Luan......wonder what it does now that the tamoxifen is taking all my estrogen away??????

    barbe........yep, I read that.......and the tammy is already helping me put the weight on......and now this.  The thing I am having problems with is the nausea for about two hours after I take my meds. Then I am ok. I do get hungrier, but I am really trying not to eat any more than I did before. I can tell in my tummy, it has gotten bigger......but hopefully now with no pain, I can start exercising again :) I HOPE!!!! :) 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Sunangel, sorry, u,ll still have to deal with the testosterone, progesterone, cortisol, adrenaline & co. :(((

  • sunangel27
    sunangel27 Member Posts: 310
    edited May 2011

    figures!!!!!! "(

  • corian68
    corian68 Member Posts: 168
    edited May 2011

    Luann-

    Hi again! I didn't mention earlier cuz who wants to sound like a total basket case, right? Lol! When I was 18 DX'd with Endometriosis.

    I was DX'd with Fibro & RA when I was 27.

    At 42 here come BC...Mac Daddy!

    They must be connected...they are all in the same damn body! Haha!

    I have been on synthetic hormones almost my whole life trying to control Endo.

    Been on everything under the Sun for Fibro & RA.

    Endo is a hormonal disease and the autoimmune disorder is inflammation. Too much TNF.

    Sounds like a recipe for BC if you ask me! That is the biggest reason as we discussed earlier, that I am trying to start treatment from a clean slate. Detox my body and check everything first.

    We will achieve good health...we wil!

  • sunangel27
    sunangel27 Member Posts: 310
    edited May 2011

    Luann.........hello and welcome back.

    NO you're not a basket case.......unless we all are!!! hehee

    I had a partial hystorectomy and was on hormones off and on since I was 28, now 54.       Yeah, seems like it huh>?!! There are so many things going on in our bodies...... I really thought mine would be genetic because my mom had bc too, but it wasn't........was kinda weird to me...... 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Don,t u worry Corian, you are safe with us :))



    Inflammation, ughhhh, the nasty dirty little word that causes sooooo much pain and grief :((

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Not much activity on here!  Does that mean everyone is feeling better these days?  Not sure why but it seems like my bad fibro days are farther and fewer between.  I had revision surgery about 4 weeks ago and had my implants swapped out for much smaller ones with fat grafting.  I'm wondering if having my "foreign object" reduced is somehow having a positive effect on the pain?  Whatever the reason I'll take it!  Hope everyone is doing good as well.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    So, so, SO happy for you Kate!!! You really took a chance there, all that risk to do it all again and you might not have had pain relief. So very glad it worked for you!!

    I think I'll get 'fat' breasts when they can just plop a fat chunk off my body into a boob area without TE's or muscle cutting.

  • lindaku
    lindaku Member Posts: 13
    edited June 2011

    Hi Everyone!  I have been fighting with pain issues since last September.  I went camping, came home with an enlarged lymph node in my neck and slowly over the next few months the pains came on.  I have been tested for Lyme's twice and other tick related diseases but that ain't it.  The Rheumy says he doesn't think it's Fibro, though I still wonder.  Once I was diagnosed with BC, he thought maybe the two are related, but surgery was over one month ago and no change yet :( .   I hate when all the pains come on and all I can think about is the cancer spreading.  I go from shooting pains to burning pain to cramps (legs are the worst, back, arms and hips also ache), I definitely have sore points (like fibro), but I sleep well and I'm not stiff in the morning so he won't give me that diagnosis.  Bleh.  Not looking forward to radiation and tamox. and how it will affect my pain.

  • jessamine
    jessamine Member Posts: 322
    edited June 2011

    Kate- That's so great!! I hope it lasts and lasts....

    Lindaku - that's awful! But you know, just because things are a symptom of fibro doesn't mean everyone has all of them! I sleep ok often and never wake up stiff, but I definitely have fibro. With the lymph node enlargement, though, it sounds more like Chronic Fatigue, or some mish mash of the 2- which is kind of how I experience mine. I call it fibro but it took years to settle on a dx b/c in some ways it was CFS-y and in others fibro-y and neither quite exactly... there's a lot of gray area. Honestly though? It sounds like lyme! Can you get a second (or 3rd, 4th?) opinion?

    The hard thing about the fibro/CFS set of problems is that while the onset of symptms is brought on by something external (an injury or illness, it could have been the BC) removing that doesn't make them go away. It seems they are just dormant in your system (us lucky few!) but once activated it's very very hard to to turn back off. Not much good news in all this but I hope it's useful at least?

    And remember- it's not the cancer spreading! It just isn't. When you have aches and pains already it's hard not to think so sometimes, but you know it isn't- just turn those thought off!!!

  • lindaku
    lindaku Member Posts: 13
    edited June 2011

    Jessamine:  Thank you for your insight.  It is so hard to move forward without a diagnosis, isn't it?  It is much easier knowing what you have and how to deal with it.  I especially appreciate your last sentence, since of course, cancer is all I think about these past couple of months!  So far I can get along 95% of the time without meds, as I have a pretty high pain tolerance.  I was convinced it was Lymes but I don't have the progression of symptoms for that either and both the neurologist and rheumatologist say it doesn't fit.  I may go there again once this whole BC thing has settled down.  It makes me so mad that 1 year ago I was a healthy 45 yo and now I feel like I'm older than my mom!  Thanks for the support!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    barbe- That's what my PS does now!  He can make breasts out of fat with no TE's, no flaps, no muscles cut and no additional incisions.  (I had incisions because he swapped my implants out.)  He's amazing!  You should check out his photos on his site.  (miamibreastcenter.com)  He's got MX recon photos on there.  The exciting thing is more and more doctors are going to get trained in this.  He teaches all over the world!

    lindaku- Sorry you are in so much pain.  I can definitely empathize.  I would have thought it was Lyme disease, too, since it came on so suddenly.  I know for me the fibro took a really long time to develop and progress.  There's such an overlap with all the autoimmune stuff out there, though, it can be tough to diagnose.  Hope they can figure out what is causing it.  Sorry you have to have rads.  I think the hardest part is the fatigue.  My fatigue gets so bad my GP prescribed Provigil- the same drug they give out for narcolepsy.  Wonder if they can give that to people having rads?

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited June 2011

    Kate 33--------read multiple of last pages. I was dx' with firbro caused by Arimidex then femara refused further tx ---then changed onc's . he was so strong about me being on something(oncotype dx score30) I went on Aromasin---------the drug that has no s.e's--------well mininmal at first then started the same pattern of arimidex except i don't have long bone pain. Sledgehammarer for both hit in the fifth month. New developing nodules on phalanges.  All joint pain---- went back on Fentanyl 25 mcg last week. Have been on Savella 25 mg bid since arimidex fiasco dec 09. .Post Polio all my life ------original infection 1952 as a 2 y/o. Post polio syndrome kicked in in the 70's and took off in the 80's. -------------Difference with PPs is I could tolerate it without drugs.  Now ---not with the Aromasin. But I use one Fentanyl patch a week vs changing every 72 hrs. Fentanyl has serotonergic effect like the ssri's and ssnri's, but has the pain relieving effect that they don't. Problem is if you aren't real carefull with it , it can be highly addicting. That's why I change it only once a week. Everyone would tell you it can't be done this way. It can. I went through it when I was on it before. Didn't want to go back on it again . If I think I have to do it more than once a week -------it will not happen. I'm also , on Savella 25 mg bid.could go to 50 mg bid , but am afraid to do it.  So, I get the antifibro effect from savella and fentanyl ,the pain relief from fentanyl and am able to tolerate the Aromasin. AND am able to function. OXYcodone is not an answer. Nsaids for me causes Blood pressure problems. I saw someone earlier mention Savella. That's why I went back several pages. Savella was approved herein the USA in Late 08 Or early 09. It was avaialable in Europe for 10 years. FDA gave them proprietary rights vs genaric----------duh ----money.  Typical to our government---------suck the money out of us.

    OF course all the drugs , I'm taking have an insomnia s.e. ............. DUH it's 3:50 am I'll close now simply b/c long reads are work. -------------sheila

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Sas, geeze, I was taking the meds down when you conclude that SEs include insomnia....who's prescribing those meds, your rheumatologist ? 

    Endo is sending me for a sleep study, met the Respirologist and his resident last week, 2 nights of hell plugged into machines next November - something to look forward to Yell

    I have to admit that I am feeling a bit less pain, notwithstanding the Tamox, since the tumours are out.  Don't know if it's psychological....read that the damn beasts produce lactic acid in industrial quantities.  Lactic acid = pain.  Fibro pain, don't know ?  It's all a humongous puzzle !

    Kate, Provigil...hum, sounds pretty good to me, fatigue is crippling.  Does it cause insomnia ? my number ONE problem, well, one of them anyways....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Luan- I can only take a 1/2 Provigil and I take it in the morning.  It's so darn expensive so I only take it on days when I know I'm going to need some energy like lots of walking, a long day or cleaning the house.  

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    Kate, so do you really 'feel' envigorated? What does it feel like?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011
    Barbe, I think we'd have to fight with our teeth for a doctor to prescribe the meds that Sas and Kate are talking about.  They always refuse to medicate me, don't know why !!!
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    The Provigil just seems to elevate my energy levels and then keep them going for several hours. None of my other doctors would even consider prescribing it for me. My GP though is a mom and one day I broke down in her office crying because I felt like such a lousy Mom. I told her there were days when I couldn't get off the couch. She prescribed it immediately. All the other doctors said it was too addictive. She said she only worries about that if there is some health risk. She said if I have extreme fatigue and I take it every day what does it matter? I now only rely on it occasionally because, like I said, it's kind of expensive. All of my other Rx's cost $3/month but that one is $100.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    Luan, I had responded to you yesterday just as the system was shut down for maintenance at 4:17!! My post was lost. I get pretty much whatever I want. My doc in the last 5 years has been amazing. He's seen me on Oxycontin that he thought I'd have to be hospitalized to get off, just tapered myself down and off. Now I am on Oxy's again as well as Hydromorphone and Torredol. I need to function. He trusts me and I trust him. I have never lied to him and I see he knows it. Not saying that you have, of course, but now that he's seen me take myself off the Oxy's, he trusts me enough to put me back on when needed.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Barbe, I need to see your doctor...every time I bring up my pain issues, I get the "are you seeing a psycho and/or psychiatrist question"   So frustrating Yell

  • MAGOB
    MAGOB Member Posts: 299
    edited June 2011

    Hi Ladies - Jumping in to see how all of you are doing.  Kate, so glad to read about the relief!  Go, girl!  My sister and I think about you often, and I will be glad to tell her about your revision. That was a brave thing to do! (She often wonders if smaller implants would be less painful.)  

    Found out I have shingles.  (So that's what this rash is!)  You know, with auto-immune disease, a rash is just one of many things we deal with.  Pain, too.  How the heck was I supposed to know?  If you catch it early there are meds you can take to cut down the severity and duration.  Well that horse is out of the barn.  I'm just so glad the swollen glands have nothing to do with cancer.  Texas heat (around 102 degrees,) shingles, and hot flashes.  Yowza.

    Any of you know how long the fun will last?  Can this come back again?   

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Hi Mary!  I think about you and your sis, too, wondering how you are both doing.  So sorry to hear about the shingles.  My Mom has it and I've seen how much pain it has caused her. If you don't get on meds right away the pain can last quite awhile.  Hers lasted about 2 months but not sure if that is the norm or not.  Unfortunately, it can come back again.  She's had it come back about 3 times.  There is a vaccine the CDC recommends every one over 50 get to prevent shingles.  If you already have it they still recommend it and they say it can help prevent a recurrence.  I know they don't recommend the vaccine if you're going through chemo or rads but not sure if it's still not advised afterwards.  If you do have a recurrence get on an anti-viral medication as soon as possible.  (They say within 72 hours.)  It shortens the duration and lessens the intensity of the outbreak.  It's a good idea to always have a refill on hand and take it with you when you travel.  (My Mom learned this the hard way and now always takes it with her just in case.)  Hot flashes and shingles!  You poor thing!  I'm a crazy woman with just the hot flashes! :-0

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited June 2011

    hey gals,, been "lurking " for awhile.. i wanted to tell you; i went to a "pain specialist" here in so. fla... he's a real dr.. not one of those clinics.. most of the hospitals here have them in their network. check it out. my GP isn't to be trusted; but i've been with this Dr. for over 10 yrs... we have an off/on system that keeps the addiction from happenning.. hope you find one near you; but go to the hosp system, there's just too many pill drs out there, otherwise....      hugs, gently.........3jays

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2011

    I'm at a point that addiction is not even a concern. If I can't fuction, get out of bed, never mind not be able to bend down to dress myself or get off a toilet, then I WANT PAIN MEDS!!!

    I used to say that my quality of life sucked. That got a bit of meds. Then when I became more graphic and said that my husband has to lift me off the toilet, but so far hasn't had to wipe me...then they got the point.

    We have the technology!!! Who CARES about addiction?? If you are truly in pain, you don't get a 'buzz' from the drugs. I can't even tell when they are in my system!! Last time I saw my doc I told him I WISHED I got a buzz!!!!

    When I get nauseaus when I take them, that is the cue to cut down. Then I just wean myself down each day, slowly, about 10 days. Then poof! I'm off them!! I've tried cutting down about 4 times this year (without getting nauseaus first), but become crippled when I get to a certain part, so I have to add one more back in....then one more, until I am stable; but never quite pain free.....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    I can understand some doctor's concern with addiction because you hear of people that keep needing more and more and then can't function because of it.  And our doctor's don't know if we're going to be one of those people.  I kind of look at it as the difference between a functioning alcoholic (yeah, they need it but they can hold a job and then drink when they get home) and a falling down drunk who ends up in an alley some day.  If you're taking them because you're in pain it's not an addiction.  It would be like saying a diabetic has an addiction because they take insulin every day.  There are some of us who can function while taking the necessary pain meds.  I'm, unfortunately, not one of those people.  Any pain med I've ever taken has mad me so loopy I cannot imagine getting in my car and driving or holding down a job.  So I don't take any unless I'm home and my DH is home.  (I also won't take them if I'm home alone with our son.)  I envy anyone who can get some relief from this never ending pain and still manage to be a contributing member of society!  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Hi everyone, at my onco's visit yesterday, I was gladly referred to a doctor who specializes in SEs, pain management et al. youppi !  Unless one asks, one is kept in the dark.  How come the info is not forthcoming, I don't even want to guess Yell

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited June 2011

    im so glad your onco listened to you, Luan....3jays

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2011

    Me too 3jaysmom, have not seen you in a looonnng time

    To everyone !

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited June 2011

    Luan, Glad you were referred to an LE specialist. I see my BS on the 8th. I wonder if he could suggest someone. For some reason my Onc. has decided I don't need to see hime every 3 months, he has put me on a 6Th month schedule already. I sort of thought they waited 2 years to do that. Oh well who knows.

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