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  • lorenar
    lorenar Member Posts: 141
    edited May 2011
    Ca ndice: I really hope everything turns out to be ok. I remember them finding a spot on my older brothers lung once and we all got so scared. Turns out it was nothing at all. You will be in my prayers. Im sorry for you ladies dealing with nasty side effects.I was there all winter so I know its no fun but hang in there, you can do it. If  your onc. has not already prescribed Ativan, ask for it, Before they gave it to me I suffered 5 times worse. Take care ladies and when you feel tired tell yourself naptime.
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    edited May 2011

    bkj66,

    yes, I have been getting my neupogen shots since day 3.  they prescribed 7 injections for me to cover day 3 to day 9.

    Oh no, sorry to hear about your WBC count.  i hope you are feeling much better now.

    Take care,

    Laureen

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited May 2011

    Candice, we are here for you. (((((((Candice)))))))

  • 40-years-old-now
    40-years-old-now Member Posts: 309
    edited May 2011

    Cyborg,

     Thanks for the hugs. I have been looking at the stage IV group. There are a couple of people 24 year survivor of stage IV mat. It is making me see hope. I was really sad eariler. But am looking at good things.

    But just so you all know even if this is bad, and my chemo get moved out to June, I will still stop by here. Wink

  • mccrimmon324
    mccrimmon324 Member Posts: 1,076
    edited May 2011

    I'm sorry to hear of all the side effects and Candice, I'm praying your test results come back with good news for you.  It too looks like I'm going to be moved into the June group.  I realize this is not the forum for rants but we went for a 2nd opinion yesterday, it was at a cancer center, younger doctor, more informative - he wants to do 6 x TAC instead of 4 x T & 4 x AC.  I also have another issue, I've developed a seroma at my incision, surgeon has been on vacation so his nurse has been draining, packing daily, when this new doctor took a look at it he immediately looked shocked and said I needed a wound vac ASAP.  If I had started Chemo on Wednesday there could have been very very serious complications, he was shocked original doctor would have started it.  He's also assured me that waiting another couple of weeks with not affect my outcome.  Somewhere in my bad habit of googling everything I had read starting Chemo ASAP after surgery will give best outcome, he's assured me a couple of weeks will not matter.  Next Thursday will be a month since surgery.  He also asked about my MUGO scans????  Tests done on your heart prior to Chemo?  Nope, haven't heard of them, again shocked first onco NEVER mentioned to me.  I have to say the more I think about it the PISSED I get, I understand completely that I'm high anxiety and my onco was really trying to keep my stress level down but to not give me full information, not perform the correct tests and to start Chemo with a gaping open wound?  Sorry about the rant, don't know where else to post/process this info for myself.  Have any of you changed your doctors?

  • 40-years-old-now
    40-years-old-now Member Posts: 309
    edited May 2011

    I really like my surgern and oncologist. But that being said. CHANGE!! Both my surg. and onc said that I have to be healed externally before chemo. They said that I could start chemo 3-4 days after the biop.  

    However they have not scheduled me for a MUGO scan. and you know they seem to schedule me for alot of scans.

    I do think you should change, you need to feel comfortable with your doctor. I dont think you are.

  • GrammyslilButtercup
    GrammyslilButtercup Member Posts: 24
    edited May 2011

    Hi ladies, I begin chemo May 20, scared but ready to go. 4 sessions of AC followed by 4 sessions of Taxol. Cutting my hair today, so nervous and the tears have started all over again, I am glad we have one another here for support <3 Love Hope Faith <3

  • mccrimmon324
    mccrimmon324 Member Posts: 1,076
    edited May 2011

    38 yr old - We're already going to change.  In fact new onco is having home health come out today to do the wound vac, once that gets taken care of I think I'll feel much better.  Nerves are completely shot.  Now I have to call other Onco and cancel appt.  I feel terrible, I'm so bad at that stuff.

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited May 2011

    mccrimmon, I did get 2 opinions also, I went with the older doctor, but it had to do with the younger and first doctor kept getting my stats mixed up. I think there are many effective regimines and you have feel comfortable with the one you choose. But so glad they checked to make sure you healing ok and delayed because of that. I had a muga scan, and will have one before each ac, this is because I had ac before. The test is really easy. 8 years ago whe I had ac I never had a muga, pet or ct, I only had chest xray and bone scan. This time I have had every scan, blood test imagineable, and I am kinda glad even though the waiting was tough. Oh, I think ranting is definitaly allowed here!

  • mccrimmon324
    mccrimmon324 Member Posts: 1,076
    edited May 2011

    bkj66- funny you say the doc kept getting your stats mixed up.  Our concern started, well, my hubby's started when I told him they called to say they would start on Wed and I have the open would, he did not voice this worry to me only to his co-workers who are aware of what's going on. What I found uncomfortable was when this past wednesday the nurse who would be administering the chemo called to let me know that even though my appt was for 8:30am she would be there by 8:00 if I wanted to come early.  I hadn't even seen my onco for the details yet and was utterly confused as to what she was talking about.  Then while on the phone with her she says "Oh, Dr just waved his hand to get my attention wants to tell you to be sure to take the steriods beforehand", my response, "what steriods, we haven't talked about anything yet"  Now I'm getting myself really angry.

  • Loviesmom2
    Loviesmom2 Member Posts: 33
    edited May 2011

    Candice don't you dare ditch us for another group. We love you here and are willing to share you with others but they can't have you :). I'm praying that in your particular fight, no matter how many punches you receive ( hot spot here, there) you punch back like a prize fighter. No matter what stage they assign, you get the treatment that will make all hot spots cold and all dirty cells clean.

    Mccrimmon, my first med group was moe Larry and curly so I went with my second opinion team. They aren't perfect but I can work with a few flaws. You absolutely owe the best to yourself. That scan is by far the easiest thing you'll have. Any cardiotoxic chemo should be preceded by a MUGA. Ask a million questions if you have to and cancel your appointments with glee! Blessings to you. We Win!

  • Loviesmom2
    Loviesmom2 Member Posts: 33
    edited May 2011

    Hey Grannyslilbuttercup, hugs n more hugs. I too was AC then T but blood levels changed that so now I'm T x 12, then AC x 4. At the very least, you get to knock out the worst of the monsters first. I was poised and ready for battle and while waiting on my 1st infusion doc says nope, we either change it or you'll be admitted for blood transfusion. I just wanted to get the horrible one over with first but oh well. Taxol number 3 Monday morning. Blessings to you. We Win!

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    edited May 2011

    Hi Everyone!

    I'm just checking in today (6th day post A/C #1 tx).  Unable to sleep due to restlessness, mild headache, mild nausea, but able to move around the house.  I am hoping this is the uphill route for me since my frist tx last Monday, for crying out loud, it's been 6 days now!

    Day 1-5 have been unfriendly to me, with 5th day the best of the evils.  I hope everyone is doing good!

    Take care,

    Laureen

  • 40-years-old-now
    40-years-old-now Member Posts: 309
    edited May 2011

    Loviesmom2- Of course I wont ditch you all. Laughing

    Your comments about fighting and punching made me smile.

  • mccrimmon324
    mccrimmon324 Member Posts: 1,076
    edited May 2011

    Hello Ladies,

    It's the complainer, ranter again.  If you've read my post from earlier you'll know that I've decided to go with a second opinion and change doctors.  New doc says I need wound vac, they set up home health to come out and do it today.  So I have been waiting all morning, phone attached to my hip for the call.  I finally call the doc on call asking where is home health.  I'm told that it turns out the home health care they originally set up appt with does not come to Punta Gorda where I live, on call doc talked to new doc and felt problem was not serious and could wait until Monday.  Unfortunately no one called me.  You know, the one with a gaping F'ing hole in her chest!!!!   I'm seriously sitting here in tears, I just want this over with and it hasn't even really started.  I'm sorry to be the whiny complainling baby.  Hubby's at work, all alone and I think my friends who all live up North are trying to be positive for me but are running out of things to say.  I just need somewhere to get it out.

  • txladysara
    txladysara Member Posts: 52
    edited May 2011

    Thanks Beaglegirl (Laura). I was not given a list to prepare :(. Was told by my Dr. that my side effects would be hair loss. The nurse that actually gave me the chemo was the one who told me to keep hydrated, to make sure I ate when I could because there might be days I wouldn't be able and if I got a fever to call them. My main problem today, again, is constipation, got the generic co lace last night but haven't taken it, will take it tonight if the problem persists and my neck and collarbone, clavicle hurts still, especially when i barely wake, up. Was given two prescriptions for nausea, just so glad I don't have to go for round 2 till the 30th. It gives me time to feel better. Don't even want to think about it. Well Beaglegirl, God bless you and have an awesome day! I have a feeling everything is gonna be alright, like the song says. :D bye now. 

  • MamaV
    MamaV Member Posts: 907
    edited May 2011

    Welcome to those of you who have just joined us.  I was off for a few days and can't seem to catch up with everyone.  I've said it before... welcome to the club no one wants to join.  But, we are so lucky to have each other during this journey.

    My WBC tanked every time with A/C.  Had to get neulasta shot every time too.  Create the list of SEs for A/C and I had EVERY SINGLE FRICKEN ONE OF THEM!  Talk about needing to vent!  That just sucked!

    Now, with Taxol, I have only mild SEs. I figure God knew I did my time with A/C and needed a break.  Had Taxol #4 Thursday and so far just a little back pain. 

    I am thinking of and praying for all of you!  We are strong and together we can get through this!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    I seem to be doing fine with the halaven....two treatments done and I am off next week, BUT let me tell you, that Neulasta shot was a rough one....it didn't hit until yesterday (got it on Thurs and even went back to work from onco's) afternoon....it was like instant arthritis everywhere and I even got a headache and I never get headaches.  I came home yesterday evening, took a muscle relaxant which always knocks me out, crawled into bed under lots of covers and this is the lst I have been doing anything other than going to the bathroom or getting myself something to drink.  I guess I did not know all there was to be prepared for with this shot.....was told to take claritin, but I didn't get it until I had already had the injection.  Next time I will know better. 

  • jackifp
    jackifp Member Posts: 185
    edited May 2011

    Welcome, rondajean and txladysara! Such an odd welcome, eh?, but so nice to have the support system and venting option.



    2nd TCH was fine for the first 5 days, just the usual heartburn and some leg cramps... and Day 6 I got the first nausea. Onc had given me Reglan for it, so I took one, but it not only knocked me out,it made me feel twitchy/spacy/icky. Got some peptobismol, icky taste, but eases the nausea w/o the other effects. Dry mouth big time, first time for that, too. Guess this is where the "effects are cumulative" bit starts.



    Still, compared to some of you, I am counting my blessings and sending many more on to you with hopes se's will ease up.



    Bkj66: carnivores rarely get that there are ways of supporting blood counts without red meat. Beans, particularly black beans: 1 cup is 24g protein, 12g fiber ( think get rid of constipation) , high in iron. Lentils are excellent, too. The trick is whether or not your an accustomed bean eater; if you were raised a carnivore, the onc is probably correct that your body will do its best rebuilding eating muscle.



    Candice: big hug,girl. I can only imagine how awful this is right now. Keep posting, we'll keep listening and sending hope your way.

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited May 2011

    Mccrimmon32;- yeah - I'd be pissed. Keep moving forward. I had a lot of time inberween surgery and chemo.

    Claritin is great for the neulesta for the side effects from the neulesta. Take before too.

    I am on TC and didn't get the MUGA. Had an electrocardiogram though.

    Nauseated some bit at my kids volley ball game.

  • mccrimmon324
    mccrimmon324 Member Posts: 1,076
    edited May 2011

    Cyborg, How much time did you have between surgery and chemo?  I don't know where I read it but it was probably BS anyway but I read that your survival rate is better if chemo is started 4 weeks after surgery.  New doc says thats not true at all.  Also, question for everyone.  What is everyone eating to increase their WBC naturally, what kind of excercising?  I was told to stay away from any anti-oxidant type supplements, it sort of counteracts the Chemo.  As for the Nuleasta, from what I read on here it's a bit scary but I'm going to take everyone's advice.  Also new doc says TAC x 6 would be best for me, anyone else on or have done?  I work full time as well, I'm assuming I'll be missing about a week of work for each treatment? 

    Thanks for any input.  Had my little pity party and feel a bit better.

  • MamaV
    MamaV Member Posts: 907
    edited May 2011

    cyborg - glad you are getting out there - it's hard, I know, but way to go!  Hope you were able to enjoy the game!

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    edited May 2011

    Hi Cyborg,

    I read your post re: neulasta shots and claritin.  is it applicable to neupogen shots, too?  what are the SEs of neulasta anyway?  was wondering if they are similar to the effects of neupogen or not. 

    Thanks for the info.

    Laureen

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited May 2011

    I am feeling sorry for all of us! It is a beautiful day in Seattle and I had to go downtown to get my nuepogen shot. Hubby is at work but my brother offered to take me thank goodness because I was tired~I actually feel really good except for the tiredness, all my counts are good except the white ones which are very low, but nurse said that is not why I am tired, she said I am tired because the chemo is killing the cancer! I like her!

    I just can't believe it was less than 2 months ago and I was not not thinking about cancer at all. I was going on living and enjoying my life, working, going to school, just in general being busy and happy. Now here I am thinking about cancer, treatments, doctors, hoping the chemo will kill these bad cells without hurting me too bad first. I just want to go do something normal but I don't feel well enough to. Not suppose to go around too many people as my counts are so low, but I am bored to tears.  My dogs are lying next to me and it seems like they feel my depression. Sometimes I fear that this is it, treatment for life and tiredness forever more. I know there is happiness out there, so why don't I just hold on to that? I see people running and biking on the trail and wonder if that will ever be me again. Why can't I focus on the positive? I do feel good right now, just tired. I am so sorry some of you don't feel good, it just sucks. I hope better days are ahead for all of us.

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited May 2011

    Bkj66 I really believe that your mind will light on sunshine filled spots again.

    Laureenromero07 I don't kn ow about neupogen and claritin.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Laureen, I wrote about the neulasta.....supposedly you take a claritin 2 hrs before and then several hrs after injection so you are getting like a double dose.  I had never heard of it, but it was suggested to me on these boards and when I mentioned it to the onco nurse, she said oh yes, I think it was mentioned in Susan Love's book. I just hurt everywhere and am not sure if it was bone, muscle, joints or all of them, but it was an effort to move around.   I have had nuprogen before, but I think with those you get them for several days, don't you?  Neulasta is one shot.  Now I had a friend who had no problems with it whatsoever, but boy oh boy, do I ever feel like a big fat achy mess. 

    BKJ66, hopefully this too shall pass.  The way I always look at it is that the cancer was there and we did not know about it until a test discovered it and they told us.  It is devestating news, but at least now we are getting treatment and not just allowing it to take over.  Better days ARE ahead.  I sure would not want to be driving downtown for a shot in Seattle.....your traffic there is terrible! 

  • MamaV
    MamaV Member Posts: 907
    edited May 2011

    BKJ66 - I can totally relate.  I have had far too many days when I felt like that.  Have you talked to your OC about getting something for depression?  IT REALLY helped me a lot!  I was talking to someone just diagnosed with BC and she said her OC gives everyone antidepressants right away without even waiting for it to hit.  I think the emotional exhaustion of this damn disease has been far worse than any physical SEs. And let me tell you, I've had all of the crummy SEs to the extreme too!  Hang in there - this will pass (maybe sooooo slowly but it will).

  • dlcw
    dlcw Member Posts: 107
    edited May 2011

    Hi All - I have been lurking here for a few days as I am not sure I will get my chemo started again in May and maybe won't be part of the start in may group....I just finished a neoadjuvant trial with Gemcitabine/Carboplatin/PARP inhibitor (I am triple negative) and had my surgery this past Monday.  I will get my results from the pathology and start adjuvant chemo as soon as I am healed (hopefully within 2 weeks, but maybe 3).

    A couple of things I wanted to share from my experiences with the trial - first, taking the Claritin before and a couple of days after the Neulasta really helped me.  I didn't take it the first time I had the shot and starting about 2 days after I felt like I had been run over by a train.  Ached all over with bone pain, especially in my shoulders and sternum.  From then on I did Claritin and although I had some aches, it was not nearly as bad.  I did not have Neupogen so not sure how that one feels.

    Second, my doc gave me Ativan right at the beginning.  It helps with the nausea and it also helps with the anxiety.  If you didn't get something I wouldn't hesitate to ask if you think you need it as it can really help with the emotional roller coaster we are all on.

    Finally - my initial mix of antinausea meds didn't work well and I waited a few weeks before I asked for a different approach - should have asked sooner.  They started me on a combination of Decadron, Emend (a 3 day pack), Compazine, and Zofran.  I had horrible headaches from the Zofran and the Compazine made me feel drugged and out of it.  THey switched me to Decadron/Emend/Kytril and it was SOOO much better.  So, there are multiple drugs they can try and if you're feeling awful you might discuss it with your onc (insurance might also be an issue but I was able to get the Kytril covered).

    I think my adjuvant chemo will be DD A/C +  12 Taxol.  Is anyone doing that with the Taxol first?  Just curious as it seems some oncs are doing that based on an MD Anderson protocol.

    Candice - I had a false alarm with my PET and spent a weekend waiting to find out the status of a spot on my spine - mine turned out to be an overgrowth of blood vessels - I will be hoping and praying that yours is a false alarm too.

    mccrimson - definitely shop around - I got 3 opinions before starting the trial and have multiple appointments set up for discussions of next steps after I get the path report back - I think you have to find someone you trust completely and you feel answers all your questions and gives you the time you need to ask them.

    Everyone else - hang in there - I know there are days when it is so hard to stay positive as I've had many of them myself (and more than a few since surgery).  

    dlcw

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    edited May 2011

    Hi dclw,

    Can you tell me more about Kytril?  I am also taking Emend/Compazine/Zofran as anti-emetics but felt way too drugged most of the time.  I am planning on talking with my oncologist on monday to check what other drug combinations are options for me.

    I also see that you are in the bay area.  i'm in oakland but being treated at kaiser fremont.

    take care,

    laureen

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    --- Member Posts: 197
    edited May 2011

    Marybe and Cyborg,

    thanks for the input about nuelasta and claritin.  i guess it doesn't apply to nuepogen since it was notprescribed by my oncologist.  take care you both!

    Laureen

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