anyone out there with auto-immune/chronic pain issues before dx?

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    squidwitch- I like that expression, too.  Going to have to start using that!  I've done many a face plant on the couch!

    barbe- I do the "one thing a day" thing, too.  My DH doesn't understand why I can't schedule more than one appointment/event per day.  I get so overwhelmed sometimes when I have a lot going on because I don't like having to do something every single day, either.  It's going to be a total shock to the system when I go back to work.  :(

  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,971
    edited May 2011

    Overwhelmed - now that I can so relate to! How is it that some people don't get overwhelmed is it these darn auto-immune diseases or does eveyone get like this sometimes and we just get it on a regular basis?

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited May 2011

    yep, count me in the one thing a day club! and Barbe, i can't work anymore, and a- ** ing mazed that you do!!! i stay in my jammies all day, many days, not even going out. try not to do that too much, though, cause then the depression kicks in.. its' a fine line. after one of my strokes, i realized i can't stand too much stimulation..ahh.. emotional that is.. anyway, i dip out of events like you did with the hotel. i can't talk long on the phone too much, or have dinner with too many friends at once... just a weirdness thats' developed.. just too much stimulation for my brain to handle.. any of you guys get that, too?? its' much worse since chemo, for me..     3jays

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited May 2011

    Can NOT do the phone!!! Loss of hearing and patience combined in one. You wanna talk to me? Come over or use email. I refuse to talk on the phone, even with my kids.

    The ONLY reason I work is that I need the money to live!! Trust me, if I didn't have to work, I wouldn't. This isn't the life I signed on for, that's for sure...sigh. Sometimes it angers me that some have SO much and don't appreciate it and some of us have so little and are grateful for every little thing. The magazines with fashions.... $600 for a black turtleneck or $1,500 for a purse....get REAL!!! Those are car and mortgage payments!! Yell

    The days I work, work is the only thing I do. It just knocks me out. The second I get home I go upstairs and put my nighty on, so I'm in my night anywhere from 5 o'clock on. That way I know I don't have to do anything else. Just chill. Some days I have my DH come with me. He walks the mall until I call him to come pick me up. I just can't get myself to or from work...so sad really and I don't see any respite in sight!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    stanzie- I would look at my neighbors who all work full time, do their kid's activities, even volunteer and think "How the heck do they get all that done?"  I used to think there was something wrong with me mentally that I couldn't accomplish more in a day- that I was lazy or something.  Now I know I'm not but always feel like a lot of other people think so.  I know I shouldn't care but do you ever wish this disease was something that showed up on the outside like a big "A-I" on our foreheads or something.  Then people would see it and say, "Oh, you have an auto-immune disease.  You poor thing.  No wonder you're so tired!"

    3jaysmom- Everything you described is me, too.  Lots of jammie days (though my son calls them achey days).  I definitely feel my depression ratchet up a notch if I isolate too long, too, though.  It's definitely a fine line, as you say.  (((hugs)))

    So I've got my revision scheduled for May 13th.  Really want the results but am so dreading the whole surgery/pain/hospital/recovery thing.  My brain feels overwhelmed already.  To make matters worse I'm having it done in Miami (I live in Phoenix) and am doing 5 days of my post-op in a hotel room.  My DH will be with me the whole time and that is the only thing that is keeping me going as he always figures out ways to make it easier.   (Like bringing tons of movies so I can zone out.)  The worst part will be the long flight home afterwards.  Oh well, no pain, no gain, right?

  • MAGOB
    MAGOB Member Posts: 299
    edited May 2011

    Hi Everyone.  Gosh, this thread has been active lately.  Hopping in with new frustration - bladder problems.  HAd to go through a CT scan, which = boatloads of radiation.  Found nothing, thank God.  But where is the blood coming from?  What is causing the pain?  

    Thousands of dollars and too much radiation and I end up at home on the net trying to figure it all out myself.  Called the doc back and told him just that.  Thank goodness he agreed and spent more time with me to come up with a solution.  Cytoxan can cause cystitis of the bladder.  People with fibromyalgia can get cystitis too.  So there we have it.

    Scan did reveal "several fibroid tumors" in the uterus.  So I'm sure I'll get the speech about a hysterectomy.  

    Here comes the rant.  I'm tired.  I'm scared about what's happening to my body as a result of all the treatment.  They are taking away a piece of me at a time and it's all in the name of keeping me alive.  I'm going to SNAP, I tell ya!  

    Truly, no one knows the heavy stuff an AI person bears.  Especially those of us who have also had cancer treatment.  Thank heavens you're here.  It really helps to read that some of you also watch the neighbors and the rest of the world out there go on at a pace that we could not possibly keep up with.  

    It actually feels better to unload all of that.  I do have so much gratitude that I am a survivor.  And I'm really glad to know you ladies.  Stay close, will you?  And blessings to each one of you.

    Mary 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Mary- You summed it up when you said thousands of dollars and it's still you trying to figure out what is wrong.  I feel that way also.  Tired of being my own medical detective.  I just got diagnosed with uterine fibroids, too, and have an appointment with an ob/gyn tomorrow to discuss treatment options.  I feel so much like you do that they're taking a piece of me at a time.  Just am feeling so betrayed by my body right now.  Hypothyroidsim, fibroids, recon revision scheduled, hearing loss in one ear (which required a hearing aid), fibro is worse, brain fog at an all time high and then throw in bifocals and menopause for good measure.  TOO MUCH!  I joke with my DH that he got a lemon.  Just feel like such a mess right now and trying to deal with one thing at a time.  Sorry about your bladder issues.  I didn't realize that fibro can cause cystitis.  It seems never ending, doesn't it?  So glad we have each other.  I can't imagine ever giving up this site now that I have found it.  You guys keep me sane.!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited May 2011

    I went for the blood test yesterday for ovarian cancer CA-125. The clerk wanted $35. I was stunned! For what? This is Canada, we don't pay for testing!!! She said I would need a letter from my doctor then. For what? To prove I have breast cancer already? Look, my chest is flat. She didn't care. I was to have my doctor's office fax a note proving I was already a cancer patient. So I did it.....I lifted my top and showed the 2 clerks my flat chest and said THIS should prove I'm a cancer patient!

    Then the other clerk broke in and said even a note wouldn't work and I'd have to pay the $35. I don't have $35. I am stone-cold broke!! We have about $35 until my next pay mid-May. That's it!! So I walked out. Now I don't care. I just let it all go....if I have ovarian cancer I don't give a shit now. Let it kill me. If I have it and I'm in this kind of pain now, it would be too late anyway...so fcuk it. I'm done.

    I am done.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    barbe- ((((HUGS))))  I am so sorry that happened.  WTF is wrong with people that they can't show more sensitivity...especially other women.  Did you call your doctor's office to see what the deal was?  My pet peeve is doctors who tell you that you need tests but no one tells you ahead of time what those tests will cost.  And I don't understand why they are charging you in the first place.  Unbelievable!  I was out shopping the other day and joking with the cashier about my old driver's license that looks nothing like me.  (It's not expired but the photo was taken 16 years ago.)  She said she had a customer whose photo showed her bald after chemo.  The customer said when she went to get her new license the clerk realized she had a wig on and made her remove it for the photo saying wigs weren't allowed.  Now this poor woman has to walk around with a driver's license showing her bald.  Someone at the DMV should have been fired for that.  And those clerks at the testing place need to take some sensitivity training.  Hope you shocked the s*** out of them!!!  Don't blow off the test, though.  We need you here!!!  See if your doctor can help in anyway.  Good luck!  (((more hugs))))

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited May 2011
    That is ridiculous, Barbe.  Since you normally pay nothing, it was like they blindsided you with that fee, and then the lack of common sense as far as you being a cancer patient.  It's hard enough for us to walk thru' the doors for all the testing in the first place, but to then have to deal with a couple of blockheads.  How much can a person take!  Hope you can find a path thru' the medical bureaucracy on this one.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    My revision is scheduled for next Friday and am still fighting with the insurance company over coverage.  It's just adding insult to injury when BC patients have to deal with all this crap.  They are telling me they will pay to have the old implants taken out, and the new smaller ones put in but they won't pay for the new implants themselves.  Even though the PS is swapping them out because I am in PAIN!  I am just so frustrated!  I have been back and forth on the phone for the past 3 days trying to fight this.  If I can't get it resolved the PS's office wants an additional $1500 on top of the $3600 they have already collected.  Never imagined it would be so expensive to put "Humpty Dumpty" back together again!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Hello ladies, am so glad I've found you all !! Responded to a thread lately on Lyme, CFS and BC and because I'm sooooooooooo tired and in pain, I'm just gonna copy and paste, hope you don't mind...

    "Have always had the lyme symptoms it seems - drs here wont test even when i insisted i had
    spent summers at old orchard bch when young. Was dx fibro + myofascial pain syndrome 20 years ago. Finished TAC (tough protocol) 1 year ago. cannot say i had worst SEs although asked for pain meds which most sisters do i think "

    "OH Boy !!  been draggin my a....for so many years, stopped counting 

    ....  Now, I have to wonder is fatigue related to BC (which may take up to 20 years to develop) or fibro?  Both are such complicated diseases. 

    Fibro here in Cnda is being treated by Rheumatologists of all people !  They give you a prescription for muscle relaxants and basically tell you not to bother them.  NO doctor likes to hear THE word. They actually equate fibro with CFS !! 

    Have been banging my head against the walls with this one.  Have tried to figure out whether my thyroid was the issue, was it perhaps hypoglycemia, CFS, gluten intolerance, IBS, PMS and the list goes on and on.  Call me FATIGUE !

    How are you managing your fibro ?  Any tips or treatments that are working for you ?"

    Never got a response....

    Barb, I hear you sis ...am also compounding big money problemsCry on top of everything else and feeling most of the time that I just cannot cut it.

    I feel so reassured to not be sitting all alone watching the world go by without me.  God bless

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Luan- Welcome to our little group here.  It seems that so many of us, even though we have different DX, all have overlapping symptoms.  Still have to wonder if it's not just one big disease.  We're usually referred to a rheumatologist, too, for fibro and they are equally worthless down here.  I'm afraid I'm not much help as far as tips other than Vitamin D seems to make somewhat of a difference.  And if you can find something to get you into a deep sleep.  (So far I've had no luck with that one but on the few nights where I do manage to sleep through the night I feel SO much better the next day.)  I think we're all lacking in REM sleep.  Anyway, we're here to share your misery, so to speak, anytime!

  • MAGOB
    MAGOB Member Posts: 299
    edited May 2011

    Barbe, sorry to read about the test and the costs.  Really - WHAT were they thinking?!  Wish we could  give each other hugs in person.  You deserve a good one.  

    Kate, best to you for the revision surgery.  Will keep you in my prayers.  

    Luan, I see a rheumatologist for Fibro.  He has really helped.  You might ask about a test for magnesium and vitamin D levels.  I was surprised to learn how low mine were.  Even more surprised, and delighted, how much better I felt when I started taking supplements.  Good luck.  

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited May 2011

    Luan, Kate is right. Sleep and Vit D3 (liquid drops). I cannot live without either one. Plus I'm on narcotics...the big boys. My next step is Methadone. I sleep 10 hours + on a work night and 12-14 hours on a day off. My narcotics help me sleep which my body needs so badly. I don't do ANYTHING except work outside the home. Otherwise, my home is my nest and I stay very close to it.

    I must add Magnesium when I have some extra $$.

  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,971
    edited May 2011

    What does Magnesium do? I keep reading we should take it but never can remember why?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Stanzie- Your body needs the magnesium to help absorb the Vitamin D.  If you just take the D alone not all of it is able to be absorbed so you're basically just flushing most of it right out.  There's a lot of supplements out there that combine calcium, magnesium and D together (though they're usually giant horse pills) that when taken all together prevent osteoporosis.  My GP just told me that I'm in the 2nd highest percentile of people who get osteoporosis- skinny, white women in menopause.  (I thanked him for the skinny part.)  He said the first highest are skinny, Asian women in menopause.  So now I'm trying to up my calcium along with the magnesium and D.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited May 2011

    All those supplements work together.  For a calcium pill, I like Citracal "Petites."  Nice and small, and can be taken with or without food.  Vitamin D is supposed to have some pain lessening properties.  I don't know if I have really noticed that.  The Vit. D has given me better sleep tho', which definitely helps with the FM symptoms.

  • Stanzie
    Stanzie Member Posts: 1,971
    edited May 2011

    Thanks - I must be getting magnesium from somewhere then as I was put on vit D and they have been checking my levels and finally was told to lessen the dose as it was getting too high. Interesting... will have to figure that one out as I don't take magnesium by itself or with the D. Thanks.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Thank you ladies :)



    It sure feels good to be understood. Am depressed

    after seeing the endo today. Thought he had ordered

    full panel for thyroid, no, not even free t3 & t4 . He is

    so paternalistic, i hate it. He said he was worried about my morale!! Probably wants
    to make the big bucks with a lifetime prescription .. back to square one as far as thyroid is
    concerned. do any of you ladies have problems
    with your thyroid?



    Sorry for the rant...did u see the thread about boswellia, sure

    sounds convincing. will have to try it

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Oh Barb, i know ! SLEEP !!!

  • MrsChorlton
    MrsChorlton Member Posts: 23
    edited May 2011

    Before my BC diagnosis I was the picture of health, or so I THOUGHT!

    Turns out I have celiac disease which is an autoimmune disease!

    My liver was being taxed from it, giving cancer cells a free pass to run a muck!

    I have 3 small nodules on my lungs - I've gone to a gluten free diet and taking a butt load of supplements. We'll recheck the nodules in Aug to see if they've grown. I'm blaming my cancer on Gluten!

    To anyone out there struggling, I highly suggest reading up on all the problems & symptoms gluten can cause.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    MrsChorlton- My stepdaughter just got DX with Celiac's disease, too, after struggling with symptoms for years.  I'm happy they figured it out but sorry she now has to deal with it.  It would definitely be a total life style change!

  • MAGOB
    MAGOB Member Posts: 299
    edited May 2011

    Thinking about you Kate.  Hope all is well.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    I had my revision surgery yesterday and the PS did lots of fat grafting. Everyone said it wouldn't be too bad but I'm in a lot of pain. Not sure if my fiibro is making things worse. If I had known how bad I would feel I probably wouldn't have gone through with it. Can't imagine I would do this a second time. Maybe it's like childbirth, though, and you forget how bad it is! LOL!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Kate, i,m sorry to hear u are in so much pain, dont no if boswellia would help, a lot of sisters swear by it. I hate pain so much !! Wishing u very prompt recovery. Hugz :)

  • sunangel27
    sunangel27 Member Posts: 310
    edited May 2011

    Kate........so sorry you are in such pain......keeping you in my thoughts!

    Barbe....hope things get worked out so you can have that done!!

    It's been a wild crazy few weeks......lots of stabbing, jabbing, burning pain in my breast......three drs....(two said....oh it's normal and you have fibro so it's just amplified.....it will pass) HA!!!!!!   Went to pain clinic on May 6th They couldn't believe that they had let me go so long with such pain......my blood pressure was sky high!!!   They gave me loratabs, nuerontin, savella and a cream/gel for the pain, then last Monday did a nerve block on me......helped some. They are doing another one this next Monday. The dr there said I have severe nerve damage......why wouldn't the other drs. tell me that???????? I am soooooooooo sick of drs. I can't even see straight!!!!! :(

    Anyway.......enough of my venting.........

    Hope y'all have a good Sunday....I just got off work awhile ago so going to bed in a few.

    HUGS 

    Paula

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited May 2011
    sunangel27, I can understand that you are desperate to get pain relief, but are you taking all the drugs at the same time?  Just pointing out that if one works and the other two don't really have an effect, how would you know? 
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011

    Hello ladies, this would make a lot of sense....

    "Many health care professionals are now beginning to recognize a link betwen hormone imbalances and fibromyalgia symptoms. Like hormone imbalances, fibromyalgia can be one of the most frustrating and elusive problems that conventional medicine is facing today.  Excess estrogen levels that lead to symptoms that are associated with estrogen dominance and fibromyalgia are, for example: 

    • Joint and muscle pain
    • Sleep disturbances
    • Migraine headaches
    • Memory loss
    • Foggy thinking
    • Depression
  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited May 2011

    Paula, I looked up savella and it seems to either cause great weight gain or weight loss!!! I wonder which one you'll get...sigh. Why can't we get the diseases that cause weight LOSS????

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