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  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited April 2011

    Well, I don't know what's for dinner since I am going out and will probably have the special.  Then I will listen to the funky sounds of the GreenFlash Band and have several beers.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Reading through these posts I have one thing to say.  I don't believe I have run across ONE racist posting on this thread.  If we can't provide links to articles with information how a university's standards changed, then shame on us for assuming that the person who posted something controversial is a racist or do not care about people, young or poor.

    I DON'T give a rat's arse what color of skin the leader of our country has.  I just want him to lead!  He has no answers.  Again, his deficit commission gave him answers, but nothing was debated...nada...waste of time and money!  Old people were scared into thinking their livelihood, Social Security, was going to be somehow decreased or taken away.  So, end of any debate.  We've heard Obama say that as long as HE'S president the poor and elderly will not be harmed because the rich are taking too much from this country without giving back, and I say WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!? Who gives you jobs...besides the government? 

    You see on the right hand side of the screen where it says...tax-deductible donation today....that may be another way to fund our deficit.  I'm sure charities will be relieved.  And as I've heard over and over...take in  more taxes and we'll end up with MORE SPENDING instead of being put toward lowering our deficit.  Surprised  That scares the crappola out of me!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    WhiteRabbit, I hope you read my posts about my saying that I did not post the "in the clear" thing.  The thing is....everyone's going to be royally screwed..there will be no Medicare as we know it today or in the future if someone doesn't come along and really, really do some unpopular things.  I bet you my DDs would be happy to hear about REFORM because at this point they don't believe they will receive Mediare nor SS that they've been paying into for years. 

    Why in the world would anyone think I didn't care.  All I've been yelling about is..we're bankrupt as a country...states are in dire trouble....our children and grandchildren will suffer...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011
    Good nite ladies.  I've got to get ready.  My DD is coming into town and she's taking us out to eat...Laughing
  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited April 2011

    Shirley, the deficit commission didn't issue a formal position report.  They didn't have enough votes to issue one.  A couple of people on the commission issued their own opinion paper.

    If tax cuts for the wealthy are such a fuel for the economy why did such large tax cuts lead to such a terrible recession?  Trickle down doesn't work because employers won't hire employees when there isn't demand there, and if those further down the chain don't have the bucks to fuel that demand then that can't happen.  Just food for thought. 

    Shirley, enjoy your evening with your daughter. 

    Barbara, enjoy your evening which sounds really nice.

  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited April 2011

    Trickle down doesn't work. It didn't work with the Great Communicator and it doesn't work today.           Where are the jobs the Tea Party promised would come with extending thr tax cutd for the wealthy???

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited April 2011

    You tell them CherrylH.  I prefer coffee over tea.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    It's been a year since the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.  The moratorium on drilling has finally been lifted, but there are still many fewer wells permitted than there were a year ago.  In the meantime, the price of gasoline has soared.  It is now over $4 per gallon in most of the country, and today it was announced that it is likely to hit $6 a gallon by summer.  The war in Libya (that Obama got us involved in while not getting us out of either Iraq or Afghanistan) is exacerbating the situation. 

    Why are we curtailing domestic oil production at a time when the worldwide price for oil is setting new records and Obama is giving money to Brazil to develop their oil reserves and promising that the US will be their best customer?

    http://www.qando.net/?p=10561

    That article answers CherryIH's question

    "Where are the jobs the Tea Party promised would come with extending thr tax cutd for the wealthy???"

    Our government is financing them in Brazil !!!!!!

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited April 2011

    Patmom, you can only see what's goig on in your backyard.  Our oil prices have gone up too and they have nothing to do with Obama.  Maybe those greedy in the trade?

    Goodnight.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    To keep oil prices reasonable they need to take it off the stock market.  But they won't do that because too many politicians (on all sides) make a fortune oil stocks.  

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited April 2011

    From all the info I have been hearing, oil prices are going up because of greedy idiots playing around with hedge funds on the stock market.  They want to make as much money as they can for themselves and could not care less that some poor or middle class family may not be able to afford to drive their cars to work, school, or just to get groceries!!  The word for today is "GREED!!".  BTW, I don't think it's all being done by just politicians.  That greedy roach could be your next door neighbor!   Have a Happy Easter ladies, if you still can.

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited April 2011

    Well, what is hitting me hard is the terrible rise in food prices. I mean, my usual once a week grocery shop has gone from maybe 65.00 to over 120!! That is almost double. It can't be just from rising fuel prices.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited April 2011

    Barbara:  I have been shocked too at how quickly they have used rising fuel prices to bang us with higher prices on everything!  These people carry thousands of products on a truck and sure they have to add a cent or two to each can of peas to cover their gas increase but NOT how high they are really charging us.  I refuse to buy anything that is not on "sale".   This way I have a chance to get back at them for the higher prices.  When the products sit on the shelves, they have to put them on sale to make money.  So find a way to beat them at their greedy game.  They know we can scrimp on a lot of things but food is a necessary evil.  It is so sad what is going on everytime there is a mention of gas being a bit higher!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited April 2011

    Actually there are a bunch of reasons why groceries are higher (my bill has risen about 12% over the last few months).  Fuel prices are one reason (tractors and other farm equipment use gasoline, and delivering the goods to the stores is -- unfortunately -- mostly done by trucks).  But global weather has also been a big factor.  Fires in Russia and droughts in Australia have severely depressed the wheat supplies, so bread and so many other products depending on wheat are much higher.  Weather and pests have been a big factor in coffee production.  Political unrest in northwest Africa is jeopardizing cocoa bean harvesting.

    It seems to be the "perfect storm" -- so many contributing factorsFrown.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Blue, is the Canadian government actively prohibiting Canadian companies from drilling for oil in Canada while using taxpayer money to fund oil drilling in other countries, and encouraging them to turn around and sell it to your country at inflated prices?

    Yes those greedy traders are driving the price up, but Obama is actively preventing any of the money from flowing into our country's coffers.  He is not acting in the US's best interests. 

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited April 2011

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/braziloil.asp

    Sorry, I still haven't mastered the hot link trick.  Maybe someone else can.  Thanks!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Linda, the information in your link may have been accurate in 2009 when it was written, but things have changed in the last couple of months.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110322/pl_ac/8118722_why_obama_favors_oil_and_gas_production__in_brazil

    "There is a certain cognitive dissonance about favoring Brazilian oil and gas production and not American. The argument that America needs to extract itself from fossil fuels and build up alternative energy sources doesn't make sense; fossil fuels would still flow, just from another country.

    Brazil will be enriched, while the United States will lose jobs and revenues that otherwise would be created from developing America oil and gas reserves."

    "While FactCheck points out that the Import-Export Bank is not under Obama's direct purview, it does not explain the President himself going to Brazil and directly encouraging the Brazilian oil and gas project."

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    There's more in this article, but I won't bother to engage any further on this topic because everything the right says about the way Obama is handling this crisis (yep, I think it's a crisis), the left continues to support this guy's obscene goals for his energy policy. 

    Medigal, have you seen this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=566719&p=2

    Yet in his alleged quest for "secure-energy supplies," he refuses to develop oil and natural gas resources in U.S. waters. His administration has locked up areas in the West where oil shale reserves are estimated to be triple Saudi Arabia's reserves of crude. His administration is even stalling on plans to build a pipeline to deliver oil from Canada's tar sands to the U.S. market.

    That project would build a 1,661-mile pipeline from the tar sands of Alberta to U.S. refineries near Houston. It would create 13,000 "shovel-ready" jobs and provide 500,000 more barrels of oil per day from an ally.

    Yet it's now being held up by the State Department because it crosses an international border, on the grounds that it needs further environmental review. Shipping oil by tanker from Brazil is safer and more secure?

    If Brazil had copied our current energy policy, it wouldn't have discovered in December 2007 the Tupi field, estimated to contain 5 billion to 8 billon barrels of crude, or its Carioca offshore oilfield that may hold up to 33 billion barrels.

    Haroldo Lima, head of Brazil's National Oil Agency, estimates that Carioca might hold as much as five times the reserves of Tupi. Somehow the Brazilians aren't too worried about oil spoiling the pristine beaches of nearby Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro in the tourist season.

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited April 2011

    Re Brazil ... how about a little 'rest of the story' ...

    "The loan is being made specifically to finance purchase by Petrobras of U.S.-made oilfield equipment and services. The mission of the Ex-Im Bank is to encourage exports by making such loans."

    At the time the loan committment was made "the Bank's Board consisted of three Republicans and two Democrats, all of whom were appointed by George W. Bush."

    This was not something Obama dreamed up ... it was a bipartisan decision and it appears all sides thought it was a good idea.  The Import-Export Bank is self sustaining and no taxpayer dollars are involved.

    http://factcheck.org/2009/09/bogus-brazilian-oil-claims/

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited April 2011

    PatMom, the WSJ Online opinion (not news) article you linked to is from August 2009.

    The Yahoo News link is to an opinion essay by Mark Whittington, a self-published novelist.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited April 2011
    Shirley:  I watched the You Tube you sent about Obama with great tepredation as usual.  Has anyone noticed how apathic he looks and sounds when he is speaking about such a very critical issue to our nation and it's citizens?  One thing we can depend about Obama is that he seems to love to come before the cameras and speak but he NEVER gives ways to resolve our problems.  It's like they are waiting for Nancy Drew to pop up and solve the "mystery" of our many problems. Lately, I just ignore his talks so I do appreciate it when someone like Shirley or any one else of you brings things to my attention.   Does ANYONE study these proposals to really see what impact they will have BEFORE they try to get them passed?  It's like they are all in deep comas and waiting for someone else to take charge.  Has anyone bothered to remind Obama HE is supposed to be our LEADER?    When is he going to wake up and LEAD? 
  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited April 2011

    Medigal ... did you notice that the video was from January 2008? 

    Agree with him or not ... he was being honest.  Telling people that electric rates would go up because of the costs involved in retrofitting power plants ... but that he believed it would benefit the economy in the long term.  He also acknowledged that if the American people could not be persuaded that it was necessary it would not happen. 

    Honesty is obviously not the best policy to get things done.  We seem to prefer the 'don't worry ... be happy' approach.  And then get blindsided later with the consequences.   

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited April 2011

    Somebody was complaining about oil drilling being stopped or something like that.  Anyway, that doesn't seem to be the case, much as I wish it would be until they come up with better regulations and oversight.

    But on March 18, when the government announced it had approved a deep-water drilling permit for ATP, shares jumped, ending the day 4.6% higher.

    http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=106372 

    Murphy Exploration and Production Co on Thursday was issued the ninth permit for drilling in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico since last year's BP oil spill, the U.S. Interior Department said.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/07/us-usa-drilling-permit-idUSTRE73671220110407 

    Also it looks like things are moving along on the TransCanada (and TransCanada seems happy) pipeline review:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/19/idUS266757329820110419 

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2011/04/state-dept-us-canada-pipeline-/1 

    This might make some of you who have been complaining happy - but I doubt it. 

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited April 2011

    White:  No I didn't notice the date.  I have heard so many talks from Obama that I can't keep up with when he is doing what.  If it was obvious 3 years ago people didn't want anything that would raise gas prices then why didn't he listen to the voice of the people and find other means rather than go with raising gas?  I just don't understand the way he and his cohorts think. 

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited April 2011

    I must interrupt to say that the Caps go to round 2 of the playoffs!!  Bye-bye Rangers!!

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited April 2011

    And from the President's weekly address today:

    "...But there are a few things we can do.  This includes safe and responsible production of oil at home, which we are pursuing.  In fact, last year, American oil production reached its highest level since 2003. ..."

    Full transcript:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/04/23/weekly-address-instead-subsidizing-yesterdays-energy-sources-we-need-inv 

    Or video if you prefer:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/23/weekly-address-stopping-oil-market-fraud-beginning-clean-energy-future 

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited April 2011
    Enjoyful:  Tsk! Tsk!  I'm paying almost $30.00 for a few gallons of gas and you can still get excited about whoever these Caps and Rangers are.  I hope they have enough money from the sport to pay for their gas to get to the playoffs.  Also glad someone is happy about "something" these days!Wink
  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited April 2011

    I always enjoy reading the lively debates on this thread but have trouble catching up with the little time I have. I thought the following was noteworthy, although you may have already heard about it. 

    Michael Douglas' cancer was diagnosed in our good old health system in Canada after being given a clean bill of health elsewhere. He and his wife are hosting fundraising events in gratitude. It makes us Canadians feel very grateful for our system.

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/michael-douglass-cancer-diagnosed-canada-now-hes-helping-20110418-123032-406.html

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited April 2011

    Well heck, Medipal, you have to celebrate something!  I may start using a bicycle to run errands since, as you say, gas is up to $30/gallon!

    Edited to change "hour" to "gallon."  I blame the painkillers.

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited April 2011

    Painterly, that's a nice article.  I especially like that Douglas and his wife Catherine Zeta-Jones are auctioning off a golf outing with them in addition to other fundraising efforts.

    E, whoever these "Caps" are if they have made you happy I'm happy for you.  Wink

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