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CarylC
CarylC Member Posts: 230
edited June 2014 in Stage I Breast Cancer

I am one week post bi-mx.  Going into surgery my BS kept repeating that I had "pre-cancer" and it was nothing to worry about (my dx was extensive, multifocal DCIS w/ 2 microinvasions).  I even asked her about my HER2 status and she said they wouldn't test that because I only had "pre-cancer."  I now know I'm er-, pr- her2+

I woke up to being told that I was stage II and had "some work" ahead of me.  I don't meet my oncologist until the 24th.  I'm not quite sure what stage IIb entails, but my dad is going through treatment for lung cancer and has had body scans and such, is that now going to be in my future as well?  I had heard she was a great surgeon but there seemed to be quite a bit of communication lacking!

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited March 2011

    Hi, Caryl ~ I'm so sorry about the change in your dx.  I and many others here have had something similar happen -- a surgeon assuring us they knew we were Stage 1 or Stage 0, only to feel totally blindsided by an entirely different scenario following our surgery. Unfortunately, some surgeons (like my first one and yours) fail to advise us that nothing is absolute until they have the surgical pathology, and until then, things can change. 

    Stage IIb means you will most likely need chemo.  The fact that you are Her2+ means that Herceptin will be added to your chemo regimen.  I would not be surprised if your oncologist recommends a PetScan before you start chemo, just to be sure there's nothing else going on.  

    Hopefully, your bmx is healing well, and there will be no more surprises!  And I hope your Dad's doing well, too.   Deanna

  • suemed8749
    suemed8749 Member Posts: 1,151
    edited March 2011

    Hi Caryl - So sorry you had to wake up to bad news. In most cases, your oncologist is going to be the one to deal with scans and further treatment, so I hope he/she is a better communicator.

    I was diagnosed ER-PR-Her2+ in January 2008, and I'm doing well 3+ years later. My tumor was 2.2 cm, another smaller one discovered at .7 cm, plus DCIS. I had a uni mast with silicone implant reconstruction.

    Chemo was six rounds of Taxol/Carboplatin/Herceptin with Herceptin every 3 weeks for a year. My side effects were mild, and I continued working, traveling, and exercising throughout treatment (with plenty of down time!)

    I had one PET/CT before treatment and one after - now, no more unless symptoms indicate a need. You'll most likely have MUGA scans of the heart throughout Herceptin (I had them every 3 months) - I had no problems in that area.

    Please feel free to PM me with any questions - I know this looks like a huge mountain to climb right now, but I was surprised at how much easier it all was than I imagined.

    Best wishes - Sue

  • dawn31337
    dawn31337 Member Posts: 307
    edited March 2011

    So sorry Caryl.  Stage IIb is still early breast cancer, so don't let that scare you.  I had a chest Xray before I started chemo, I think because I got the supposedly evil AC.  I really didn't have that much trouble with it.  I also had a bone scan and they saw every injury I've ever had :)  Don't let it get you down, you will do fine!

  • sundermom
    sundermom Member Posts: 463
    edited March 2011

    Same story here.  Pre-surgery PET scan and MRI showed no node involvement and then I'll be darned if the first two nodes didn't have micromets.  So . . . Stage IIb it is for me.  I am doing DD AC x 4 and DD T x 4.  I had a BMX and all of the nodes removed on the affected side to chemotherapy is providing me with some extra insurance.  I'll find out Thursday if I will need radiation as the protocols are constantly changing, especially for pre-menopausal women like myself.  Good luck to you.  You can PM me if you want.

    Tammy

  • edwards750
    edwards750 Member Posts: 3,761
    edited March 2011

    Caryl - I was Stage 1 Grade 1 before my Path report came back and then because of a micromet in the SN I jumped to Stage IIa MY BS said that was going to get me chemo. My oncologist decided I needed to take the oncotype test which I did and my score came back 11 and they determined the cancer was non aggressive so she said I would be doing radiation not chemo and 5 years of Arimidex. I am post menopausal too.

  • CarylC
    CarylC Member Posts: 230
    edited March 2011

    What does "micromets" mean?  This is all still so new to me!

    edited to add: my pathology report says number of lymph nodes with macrometastases: 3 is that the same thing? 

  • sundermom
    sundermom Member Posts: 463
    edited March 2011

    CarlyC - Macromets are greater than 5mm in size.  Micromets are less than 5mm in size.  It is a steep learning curve for sure!

    Tammy

  • ALANA49
    ALANA49 Member Posts: 13
    edited April 2011

    Hi

    Things will only get better now that you are aware of the truth.  After several tests, biopsies, etc.  I opted for a mastectomy last sept and another jan 2011.  Also, I never had to have chemo or radiation.  I am feeling good these days and I am glad that I chose to do this I feel as though I got rid of the cancer by taking aff my breasts.  Good luck to you and keep strong....take care.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Hi Caryl,

    I also have a similar story.  I was diagnosed in November 2010 with 1cm DCIS in my left breast.  In January 2011, I had a lumpectomy with further biopsied of other areas of my left breast.  The path results indicated 4.5 cm of DCIS in the lumpectomy tissue with no clear margins and another 3.5 cm of DCIS in the biopsy tissue for a total of 8cm of DCIS.  My BS recommended a mastectomy of the left breast with surgery set for March 22/11.  In the meantime, the BS also ordered a breast MRI as she was persuaded by my concerns that the initial mammogram (which only identified less than 1cm of DCIS) was not accurate.  The breast MRI identified a mass on the good/right breast.  I then had an ultrasound with biopsy and received the news on Mar 17/11 that there was approx. 1cm of IDC and some DCIS on the good/right breast.  My surgery was pushed back to Apr 5/11 so that I could meet with the PS to come up with a new reconstruction plan.

    I had my bi-lateral mx with immediate bi-lateral SIEA reconstruction on April 5/11 and was told in the recovery room that all sentinal nodes removed were clear.  I was thrilled and believed that my cancer was stage I.  However, I received the pathology results yesterday, Apr 15/11 confirming:

       left br - 1.5cm DCIS removed (9.5cm total with lumpectomy/biopsy) & clear margins

       right br - 1.1cm IDC, 2.5cm DCIS, lymphovascular invasion, 0.7mm micromets in 1/8 nodes

    My BS advisded I am Stage IIa and will need chemo followed by radiation.  I am waiting for appointments with an MO and a RO.  In the meantime, the BS has ordered a bone scan and other tests needed befor chemo.

    Although, I was very upset by the news of stage II rather than stage I cancer and shed a lot of tears yesterday, I was not totally shocked about the revised diagnosis.  I had read a lot of posts on this site where women were initially told that there was no lymph node involvement only to find out otherwise when they received their final pathology results.

    I spent a lot of time yesterday researching the prognosis and survival rates for Stage II cancer and they appear to be very good (around 88-92% 5 year survival rate) and not much less than the Stage I prognosis.

    I will need to do a lot of reading now on chemo and radiation buy am comforted by knowing that I can find so much valuable information and comfort from the women/sisters on this website.  I cannot imagine not having this resource and feel so lucky to be going through the BC experience in this day and age compared to even 5 or 10 years ago.

    I hope you have been able to find information to reassure you that Stage II is still an early breast cancer and that the treatments are very effective.   

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    Wow Winterpeg... what a rough road... I too was diagnosed in Nov and had a lumpectomy in December, but after further research I have decided to have a prophylactic MX with Diep recon which I will do in july... and skip rads (which is an option for me)... I too had a micromet and so chemo it is... I started on Jan 18 and will finish on May 10th... Yeah!! Then a little break to recup and then MX July 21st in NOLA most likely... I go down there for a consult in May.

     I too was told clean nodes and then full path report said .38mm micromet in SN... and tumor was 1,9cm (we thought prior to surgery it was 1.5 or 1.7... all this uncertainty has made me wonder what else is going on that no one can see... I have had an excisional biopsy in 1998, my lumpectomy in 2010 and 2 MRI guides biopsies in 2010 all on left side... so much scarring now how can I possibly do an accurate self exam, which is how I found the cancer (mammo didn't show it)... And  one biopsy showed I have a pappiloma on cancer side and birad 3 on good side... too tired to wait and watch anymore and history of ADH... maybe that's what led to BC in the first place... and I am sure I still have some of that too.

    My breasts are trying to kill me so they need to go :)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    bdavis, thank goodness you found your cancer on a self exam.

    The biggest revelation for me and my close friends and family is that mammograms are not a foolproof method for finding breast cancer.  In my case, the mammo completely missed all of the cancer in my right breast (1.1cm IDC & 2.5cm DCIS) and almost all of the 9.5cm of DCIS in my left breast.  Of all that cancer, only less than 1cm of DCIS in the left breast was identified.  I was that close to having been told that my mammo was unremarkable.  I do not even want to think about what that would have meant for my long term health.  Hopefully more accurate screening methods will soon be available.    

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    Winterpeg... did you have an MRI and what did it show?? My mammo shows nothing, but it did show up on an US and MRI...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    bdavis, I had an MRI because I told my BS that I was not happy just relying on the mammo results as ruling out anything wrong with my right breast since we knew from the lumpectomy that there was much more DCIS in the left breast than the <1cm identified by the mammogram. The mammogram had obviously been inaccurate. I think the BS thought the MRI would not do anything more than bringing me some peace of mind - in the end it may have extended my life considerably.
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    None of my cancer was palpable. I had just had a breast exam by my family doctor a few weeks before my mammogram and she found nothing of concern.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    Winterpeg.. sorry... you did say you had an MRI... I get confused going from one thread to another... another sign of chemobrain?? anyway.. chemo itslef has been tolerable and hopefully you will find that too... the hair loss is the worst part IMO mostly because I see myself "sick" whenever I look in the mirror... BUT it does end as it will for you and my hair has already started to sprout (a bit) and I am having tx 5 of 6 tomorrow...

    Caryl... MICROmet is sized .2mm to 2mm and MACROmet is larger than 2mm... in addition, anything smaller than .2mm is considered node negative. My micromet was .38mm... so very very small, but still getting chemo... IMO in the nodes is in the nodes... to get there the cancer had to travel... that's enough reason to combat it with chemo for me.

    You are stage IIb because your tumor was between 2-5cm (stage II) and you have lymph node involvement... had you had a smaller tumor OR no node involvement you would have been IIa. 

  • dsnydawn
    dsnydawn Member Posts: 175
    edited April 2011

    Caryl,

    So sorry we are all going through this...but very grateful to have this site.  I am going through some of that confusion right now.  I found a lump and had core biopsy and was told idc 1.3cm grade 2 ER/PR+100%,HER2-...spk with bs and was told lumpectomy ,spk with onc b4 surgery and gave me wonderful news ,might not need chemo (didn't think anything will be in nodes) only need radiation & tamoxifen 5yrs....kinda thought I was getting off easy? well had mri prior to surgery and bs didn't like another area so had mri guided wire b4 surgery in area and ultrasound guided wire placed in tumor...so woke up in recovery and of course dr is gone so my hubby tells me that bs found "tiny" amt of cancer in my sentinal node????  omg and bs took 2 more that will go to pathology ...this was on wed 4/13..so on 4/15 bs calls to tell me that "area" was cancer and because of the distance between tumor 12 oclock and "area" 9 oclock (under nipple) i would need a mastectomy (sorry) WTF (sorry about language) but this roller coaster from hell is getting worse....so now it's monday 4/18 and didn't get any path info today ,have appt w/bs 4/25 (as she is on vac this wk...wish i was haha) I just wish I hadn't let myself feel happy when onc said probably only 10% chance of anything in your nodes...because I had in the back of my mind thought...hey they really won't know anything until they get in there.....so now I'm thinking I should think about have the other breast removed...because my breast are dense and they had such a hard time finding "area" and I really don't want to go thru biopsies,wire placements,and worry about what is lurking....sorry so long but needed to vent (my hubby has to be getting tired of me...he is so sweet) any thoughts???????????? 
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  • Ruthii
    Ruthii Member Posts: 17
    edited April 2011

    dsnydawn,

    I share similar frustrations with "off the cuff" doctor's opinions before the pathology reports come in and similar language habits when those momentary lightening flashes of reality hit with the realization once again that there is no way out of this bc dilemma except to deal with it.  I used to have AHA moments in my life; now I seem to have more WTF than AHA moments.  I'm sure at some point this bc awareness seeps into our pores and we no longer shock ourselves with renewed realizations--one more thing to wait for.

    I don't have your major decision, but given what I've already learned about the inadequacies of mammograms and the upheaval in my life from just one idc diagnosis, I'd be thinking along the same lines as you.

    Had I not found this forum, I think I would be driving my husband nuts--or more nuts I should say.  I had a lumpectomy on 3/18/11, one month ago today, with a breast reduction at the same time.  As the 2.5 cm tumor was a grade 3 and estrogen and progesterone positive, the Oncotype DX genome testing was ordered and should be back this week.  I have a bs appt this Thurs., 4/21, to find out the results and see if I need chemo.  The radiation and hormone therapy are givens. 

    The waiting for all these diagnostic and pathology reports is sheer hell.  That's what I'm doing here today:  I've called a mental health day, looking for healthy ways to reduce the anxiety of all this waiting.  I find by the time I get the whatever "results" appointment I've been anxiously awaiting, my blood pressure is way over anything resembling my normal bp.

    One unexpected result is all the pain from the reduction--not from the incisions, which are healing nicely, but interior pain that moves from left to right, then strikes in the center, sometimes stabbing, sometimes pinching.  It's a nasty continual reminder of bc and requires me to remind myself over and over again that all this pain and trouble is a sign of progress.  The plan is to complete a reduction on the right breast after the treatment on the left is complete.  By that time, the bs will have a better idea of the final size of the reduced left breast after it gets finished being cooked by the radiation.  So if I'm lucky, a year from now I should have two matching breasts.  And if I'm really lucky, maybe I can go braless around the house again.  It sounds silly, but that's one of the big rewards I'm anticipating.

    So far I've been fortunate to have enough breast tissue to move around for my own reconstruction surgery.  You gotta admit that's kind of like making lemonade out of lemons, but I do feel lucky to not have more drastic decisions to make--today anyway.

    Good luck with your decision.  It's truly major. What kind of diagnostic tests have been done on "the other breast" so far?  Or are you of the opinion that it wouldn't matter--you just don't want to run the risk even if there are no current indicators of bc in that breast? 

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    I am sort of in similar situation.. going for double MX

  • dsnydawn
    dsnydawn Member Posts: 175
    edited April 2011

    Ruthii,  I had my lumpectomy & SNB last wed 4/13, although my breast is sore, my armpit is where I have the most problems.  I wouldn't say "pain" but it is very uncomfortable..like I'm holding something under my arm, and this swelling? doesn't seem to leave.  and of course can't shave,so that is getting annoying!!! I am waiting for the final pathology which I was told by today..I gave myself off until today from thinking about this, so I just called bs office and was told nothing yet probably because alot of staff on vacation....can you imagine the nerve haha don't they know i'm waiting!!! hey I can pretend to be a diva (if only in my mind) anyway figure I'm going to contact the ps today ,I went to see her when all I believed would be nessecery was lumpectomy and I had choice....I want to really find out the best route to go..Luckily I am a stay at home mom right now..but recovery time might influence my decision...on one hand te & implants seems less recovery, but kind of leary of having to swap them out in future (I just turned 40) and leaking?? But the other option diep seems very lenghty and alot of recovery time (not sure if that would be done at time of mx or would have to wait until after chemo?? ) I do remember the ps telling me that if I went the mx route I would def need te ,as my nipple area is large.  I have had 3 c-sections, so I know the pain from that, not sure if similiar? I have all these ?? but just want to make the right decisions...@ bdavis...since I've been on the boards ,I have been following you as you seemed to be similar to me...I have also just seen your blog and it is so nice to read your journel..it gives me hope that I will get through this too...just put one foot in front of the other...from what I'm seeing you didn't have mx yet?? was wondering if bs gave you a hard time for wanting to do other side? Well hope your doing good today, so happy you are almost done!!!!!  oh and @ruthii...I hope you get great results thursday, I will be thinking about you!!!!

  • hdangelbaby
    hdangelbaby Member Posts: 731
    edited April 2011

    same here, went into surgery with "oh you are probably DCIS" woke up to " it's in your lymph nodes, stage IIA"

    what a shocker!

  • dsnydawn
    dsnydawn Member Posts: 175
    edited April 2011

    Ruthii, after I felt the lump that started this, I had mammography & mri and bs told me left breast is fine....also was wondering if I only did right side with implant after mx & just kept "good" breast and lifted it, wouldn't it look too different? well no call on path today..maybe tomorrow

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    Hi Dawn.. Right, no MX yet.. I am still in chemo but did visit my BS last week to discuss the MX even though I wouldn't have her do it... i am headed to NOLA in may for a consult and havea  date down there for July 21... My BS is still encouraging me to see an RO which I will do, but I am so sure I won't do rads... I am 98% sure it will be a MX.

    And as for recovery time after DIEP... I look at it this way: This year is knid of shot anyway, and I want to do it right the first time and not do TE, fills, exchange and then exchange and then exchange forever... I have a friend who got her TE in December at Sloan Kettering and isn't getting her exchange until Sept... she is not happy... and if I did rads, I would have to go everyday for 6 weeks... so 6 weeks of rads or 6 weeks of DIEP recovery, and will MUCh better result and PEACE OF MIND.

    So then why do bilat?? PEACE OF MIND and symmetry... I had one PS suggest a lat flap and implant on one side and implant on the other side... when I asked about time, gravity and symmetry, he kind of shrugged and said don't worry about that now... I can always hav revisions if the dfference started to show with age, weight gain/loss etc... not into that approach. I am trying to  to this and move on, not be dealing with it over and over...

    Good luck with your path report... fingers crossed!!

  • toni30
    toni30 Member Posts: 252
    edited April 2011

    DSNY - So sorry for your story and what you are going through. Keping my fingers crossed for you.  I had lumpectomy in Nov, but similar story - they saw suspicious area far from the lump right before the surgery, did a biopsy, and the radiologist wanted me to do MX, but the BS said the lumpectomy would work - he moved tissue around and it actually looks fine.  Who knows how this will end, I'll just take it every 6 months.

  • CarylC
    CarylC Member Posts: 230
    edited April 2011

    It's all so frustrating.  My radiologist seemed much more concerned than the BS, even offered to come in during his vacation to do another biopsy on the calcifications in the other breast but I was 100% certain by that point that I was doing a bi-lat and not worry about this any more! 

    Had my first chemo treatment yesterday, TCH, 6 hours, but wasn't too awful.  The onc says I will be doing rads as well, I'm not sure if it was because the nodal involvement was so large or because there was extracapsular extension, but as he explained it to me, "we have only one chance to cure this.  After that we are just treating it."  So I'm going to let them throw the book at it.  It's kind of sad though, my dad has small cell lung cancer, which is treatable, but uncurable, and his doctor's don't explain anything to him like mine do!  

  • dsnydawn
    dsnydawn Member Posts: 175
    edited April 2011

    Hi BDAVIS,  I totally agree with your thinking, about doing it once and moving on.  Since I've been on this board I've been seeing NOLA and always wondering what it was (finally figured it out) But after seeing there website I was kind of excited with how they handle reconstruction.  But my only problem would be that after having my lumpectomy last week bs advised me that in order for her to get clean margins would need mx (so I'm assuming that will happen soon) How long does it take to get appts at NOLA? I mean it would kind of defeat the purpose, having the mx here and then going there for reconstruction..Also was just wondering if they are putting tissue to form breast again, can any cancer return to that tissue?? I know that is far fetched but that did pop up in my head.  Can you believe that I still haven't gotten pathology from my 4/13 surgery!!!!  driving me more crazy!!  well hope you are having a good day and thanks for all your advise ..Dawn

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    Hi Dawn... Don't be scared off by my distant surgical date.. My lump is out and I am in chemo til mid May, so I can't have surgery til mid- June at the earliest... and mine is basically prophylactic, so one more month isn't an issue... But if you are interested in them, you should get the ball rolling with insurance and just get a date, which you can always change. I sent them my preliminary paperwork and they do the insurance reseasrch... I wasn't going to get too excited about it until I knew it was covered, which it is for me.

    And all MX run a risk of recurrance by about 2%...no BS can get ALL tissue, but they do their best (we hope)... Once they move the fat from your belly to your boobs, that tissue cannot get cancer as its fat, with no ducts, so no increased risk of cancer from that... Doctors have been performing similar procedures (tram) for years, the only difference is the  muscle  vs microsurgery for blood flow.

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