Pool Exercises/Swimming?

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angied808
angied808 Member Posts: 30
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

I'm wondering if there is any guidance out there as to what movements/exercises are most helpful in the pool?  Is there a set of movements or something?

 Otherwise if I do laps is some kind of stroke better than another?

 Thanks.

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  • Tseefl
    Tseefl Member Posts: 2
    edited April 2011

    Hi Angie

    This is great that you are asking about this, as aquatic exercise is so perfect for breast cancer survivors and those with lymphedema.

    I am a certified lymphedema Therapist and I will be developing an aquatic therapy program for my ladies with lymphedema at our local aquatic center.

    The hydrostatic pressure of the water, the gentle resistance, as well as the natural bouyancy of the water is a perfect exercise medium.

    My first question to you is: do you have any arm swelling or any swelling near your armpit or in your breast?

     If so, the activities you need to do prior to your actual swimming would matter.

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited April 2011

    Hi All!

     So glad I found this post! I have undiagnosed truncal and armpit swelling and a kind of hard feeling in my arm but no swolen hands. It seems to get better when I don't wear a bra or any support!? (I'm about a 48 DDD so it can only be at home LOL) I 've only gone swimming once and I think my suit was too tight. Any help on warm up exercises and stroke recommendations would be great. I want to start doing more.

  • Tseefl
    Tseefl Member Posts: 2
    edited April 2011

    Angie, I didn't notice that I was in the lymphedema forum (oops!)

    Dorit Tidhar (an Israeli therapist) did a research study of the aquatic therapy program she developed. She found that a significant reduction in arm swelling was the result. Her actual study can be found on this link: it gets a bit technical. http://www.linfodrenaggio-linfotaping.com/storage/pdf/Aqua%20Lymphatic%20Therapy%20art.1.pdf .

    This is what I plan to integrate into my aquatic therapy program. You will need a "noodle" ( those long floaty styrofoam beach/pool things).

    Begin by opening your lymph nodes ; "petting the cat" just above your collar bones, and then gentle circles in the armpits, opening the inguinal nodes (the groin) as well.

    Then just walk in the water, doing your diaphragmatic (yoga) breathing.

    You would then get a noodle (lace it behind your back so the ends stick out in front of your armpits) and do trunk twists , or knees up to chest  (to open the central lymphatic duct first). Then you can dangle the elbows in the water, last of all the hands.

    The deeper part of the limb gets the most hydrostatic pressure: think of the water being your bandage or your compression garment. Then you can try a dogpaddle and procede to just swim.

    I hope this didn't get too technical. And I hope this helps.

    But the main thing is get all of the lymphatics: deep ones and the nodes open, first, so your swollen limb can get the wonderful benefit of the water.

    I live in the desert and with our hot summers, we need our pools. My ladies who play in the water and swim get the best control of their lymphedema. 

    Be sure to use a waterproof sunscreen. And you don't want to swim during the hot part of the day. Cooler than hot tub water, too, because the heat can affect the swelling.  If it's a public pool, try to do your swim session at the beginning of the day: before the kids have been in pool (if you know what I mean...) And have fun!

  • jminru
    jminru Member Posts: 3
    edited April 2011

    I go to aquatic classes but was not aware of opening the central lymphatic duct first--I will try that. Some of the exercises are quite strenuos--is there something I maybe should be careful of?

  • joan888
    joan888 Member Posts: 810
    edited April 2011

    So glad to find this discussion.  I had been swimming in an indoor therapy pool (its too chilly for outdoors here).  I have to give it up for a while as I just had my exchange surgery last week and I sooo miss my swims.  I have actually had little trouble at all with lymphedema though... until yesterday, one arm swelled up some and I am guessing maybe because I was wearing an elastic bracelet?? So I am working on getting things back down.  So interesting about opening up the lymphatic ducts first. 

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited April 2011

    Hi, Ladies:

    Great question - I do a good bit of swimming in the summer, and my le therapist basically said whatever I want to do in the pool is great but I need to wear compression garments, not over-do it,  and I need to be particularly mindful of sunburn...a bad burn will REALLY cause me to flare.  I am of course, speaking from painful experience.  Tongue out

     Joan, tight elastic bracelets are not a good idea if you have LE - Anything tight or binding needs to be avoided at all costs - I don't even wear my favorite rings anymore on my right hand because they're too tight and cause my fingers to swell like sausages.  Again, I'm speaking from painful experience...ugh.  Sausage fingers are not attractive.

    Thanks for a great thread!

  • joan888
    joan888 Member Posts: 810
    edited April 2011

    Thanks, Suzybelle.  I did learn my lesson yesterday.  I love bracelets and almost always wear those loose types, but I guess that I wasn't thinking yesterday when I not only through on that elastic bracelet, but also a pinky ring that I had not worn in ages.  I have had so little LE that I tend to forget that it is always a possiblity.  Really want to get back into the pool!

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited April 2011

    Hello Swim team!

    I just got back from the Lymphedema fitter lady at my hospital and she said that I didn't need any garments in the water. That's what I've heard all along. The water acts as a natural compressor. She said I could go ahead and do whatever felt comfortable, that it could only help. So I'm going for it..I'll post if anything bad happens. Swim on ladies!

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited April 2011

    I almost forgot- Suzybelle did your LE flare up because you got really sunburned. Or was it just from regular sun in the outdoors? Are we not allowed to get tan in the summer? I know something as small as an insect bite can make it flare up. And my LE lady said I had to wear something when flying.

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited April 2011
    Hi, Val:

    I got a bad sunburn, but I'm redheaded and very fair, so tanning is really not an option for me.Frown
  • jminru
    jminru Member Posts: 3
    edited April 2011

    I got finally back to my aquatic classes after 6 weeks of massage therapy (with not much success.)

    I am still wrapping my arm until my sleeve comes in. I have a lot of swelling in my hand and lower arm. After wrapping yesterday after class the swelling came down but this morning was bad again. I can't seem to keep the finger and hand bandaging on-if I try to do any work it just comes off even when the therapist does the wrapping. It is so frustrating!!! Any suggestions?

  • christine47
    christine47 Member Posts: 1,454
    edited April 2011

    How long do you need to wait after chemo to start pool exercise?  I assume once white counts are normal.  I guess a swim cap to cover the bald head?  I have kept my membership at the Y and need to get moving. 

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited April 2011

    I went for a good half hour swim today - so far so good on the arm swelling. It seems to be fine. Just an update for you all. Make sure your suit isn't constricting at the node area though.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited April 2011

    Hello, all,

    There's more about swimsuit fit and how it can affect lymphedema (and other swim tips) here:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org...#Swimming_and_lymphedema

    I'm not exactly looking forward to the hot summer, but getting back into the pool sounds delicious!

    Be well,
    Binney

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited April 2011

    Hi everyone I had to go on a little overnight with my DH and had a lovely little swim at the hotel. My arm feels great and it is not swollen at all tonight. I was gentle again and varied strokes, only did a little crawl. This seems to be helping me. I also wore an unconstricting suit and it made a big difference. Thanks Binney thats a good site !

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited April 2011

    Hey what happened to everyone?

  • joan888
    joan888 Member Posts: 810
    edited April 2011

    I'm here!  I just got home from the health club where I did some swimming.  I just had my exchange surgery a few weeks ago so have to take it easy, but I have been swimming several times this past week.  Gentle strokes.  I do alot of just running my arms back and forth across the water.  I took a water Tai Chi class a couple months ago and have just been doing some of those moves, light easy breast strokes and back strokes.  I have developed a water routine that takes me about 30-45 minutes.

    thanks for bumping the thread, Valgal.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited April 2011
  • joan888
    joan888 Member Posts: 810
    edited April 2011

    Kira.... excellent!  Just read through it very quickly and will go back to read in detail before visiting the pool again this evening.  I would just like to add... I have noticed a great deal of increased energy since getting back in the pool. A great plus!

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited April 2011

    Just be careful not to push it Joan! I think I did and it's backfiring on me. I'm going later too. So I'll report back. Great info Kira thanks for sharing.

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited April 2011

    Any news from anyone? Yesterday my arm was really heavy. Today I swam and it feels much better. (I didn't swim yesterday).

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited April 2011

    Anyone have anything to report? I'm going to see someone about the LE next week. I've been in denial for months. I hope I can keep swimming.

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited April 2011

    You all have inspired me to think about taking up lap swimming again.  I haven't done laps for probably 20 years, but I used to do quite a bit of that before then.  I do a lot of other exercise, but I think the swimming will be a good complement to the rest of my workout routine.  I'll let you all know how it goes. 

  • joan888
    joan888 Member Posts: 810
    edited April 2011
    Valgal.... my LE flared up last weekend after going for a nice long walk.  should have worn my sleeve, but wasn't thinking.  So I have been putting in plenty of swim time this week and it is helping ALOT to get things back down.
  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited April 2011

    It is interesting how well swimming helps.

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited April 2011

    Joan thanks for writing. You seem to be pretty sure that your swelling decreases with the swimming - correct? Are you still taking it slow? I don't even have a sleeve yet. So swimming is all I'm doing. I do find when I cook (lots of vegtable chopping) that it pains and gets swollen. Does your LE hurt? I know you are a much more active person than I am. Are you still playing tennis?

    P.S. Walking ??? This really stinks.

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited April 2011

    I am still being very gentle when I swim.  Not doing any one movement too much.

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited April 2011

    Hi Omaz,

    I think I started the swimming too late to prevent the LE but if its going to help I'm doing it!

  • joan888
    joan888 Member Posts: 810
    edited April 2011

    Valgal... my LE has never really been painful.  Just flew 3 hours today to get down to FL for a wedding this weekend.  Wore my sleeve and tried to do some of my arm exercises while crammed in my window seat.  I checked out the hotel pool this evening and I will definitely be there tomorrow morning.  My swimming amounts to more of water exercises and some water Tai Chi that I learned in a class that I took at the health club.  Then just try to get in a few modified laps.. still a bit sore from exchange surgery a month ago.

    My LE PT gave me a series of arm LE exercise instructions on paper that I just went through.  She told me that any type of "gripping" motions (tennis, golf, etc) can aggravate LE so probably the chopping would also.  I won't be giving up tennis or golf so will have to be more vigilant when doing those.

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited May 2011

    Hi Joan,

    I am going to see Dr. Feldman next week Northshore/president of LANA organization. I think I should have had a sleeve a long time ago. Loyola doesn't seem too proactive in LE prevention, of course I was in no hurry to admit I had it. LOL How great to be in Fla! I'm a Chicagoland girl so maybe next time the Illinois ladies meet we can hook up. Thanks for the info I'll keep you posted.  Hello to all the other swimmers.

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