is sugar toxic?

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  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited April 2011

    Thanks Orange,

    This has to be the most extensively researched and well reasoned article I've read for a long time. Nine pages of historical and scientific but fairly easy to understand and compelling arguments why sugar is causing insulin resistance, fatty liver, diabetes and heart disease, and why it may be implicated in cancers such as breast cancer.

  • Survivor07
    Survivor07 Member Posts: 71
    edited April 2011

    Great article...thanks for sharing. I'll go to my grave trying to educate everyone, especially us survivors, that sugar feeds cancer!

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited April 2011

    Oh no---I have such a sweet tooth. I'm trying desperately to cut out cookies, sugar in tea, etc. Is honey ok I wonder??

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited April 2011

    According to Dr Keith Block from Life Over Cancer, all sugar is bad, including honey.  I only eat 2 (maybe 3) servings of fruit a day.  Cancer cells consume glucose at a much higher rate than healthy cells.

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited April 2011

    I'm not entirely buying it.  I do believe sugar plays a role in metabolic syndrome, and therefore obesity and heart disease, but its important not to overlook fat in the diet and lack of exercise in contributing to obesity.  I'm always skeptical of magic bullets.  Its body fat that leads to an increase in estrogen, a much clearer path to breast cancer than sugar.

    In the article, the author isn't arguing that sugar feeds cancer but that people with the particular profile of insulin resistance may fuel cancers.  Not everyone who is overweight or has an unhealthy diet has this metabolic syndrome.  I also think that if you have a basically healthy diet, a treat every once in a while won't kill you.

    I think the old advice rings true -- a largely plant-based diet and consistent exercise is the best thing you can do.  Rather than focus on one particular ingredient of that diet, its the whole thing that matters. 

  • Sherbear
    Sherbear Member Posts: 215
    edited April 2011

    While I do believe that it can lead to quite a few problems and I'm by no means arguing it's link to disease, I don't totally think that sugar is the devil either and will not give up my occasional 'treats' or sugar in my tea that I have a few times a week. I think it all depends on the rest of your diet and how much exercise you get.  I can think of worse things like fake food and aspartame that would reek havoc on my body more.  I have cut down my sugar consumption and alcohol as well so I don't feel guilty about eating or drinking it when I do.  

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited April 2011
  • orange1
    orange1 Member Posts: 930
    edited April 2011

    More on sugar..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/health/20monkey.html 

    For these chunky monkeys, sugar is worse than fat. 

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited April 2011

    My oncologist says the concept that sugar feeds cancer is way too simplistic, and felt that having occasional treats is part of overall good self care and fosters good mental health.

    I think cane sugar should be removed from our diets as much as possible, it's not natural.  Fruits, vegetables, meats, nuts, beans--that's about all that is "natural".  Ever try a day with just that?  It's murderously difficult.  And I suggest that almost all of us would lose a ton of weight if we stuck to that diet.

    It's too difficult, IMO, to avoid all sugar.  It would amount to a part time job I just don't have time for right now.  I try to keep it moderate, but I honestly think if sugar caused cancer, I wouldn't have been the one to get it.  It would have been my colleagues and friends who drink cases of sodas every week.

    Stevia is an awesome alternative for baking.  It is absolutely awful in coffee.

    I just can't give up my morning coffee with milk and sugar, no matter what my naturopath says.  And based on the amount of sugary coffee consumed by all, I just don't think that's the issue.

  • orange1
    orange1 Member Posts: 930
    edited April 2011

    I don't buy the idea that sugar feeds cancer at all, but I do believe that there may be a link between insulin spikes (or IGF - insulin-like growth factor) and cancer.  

  • Thatgirl
    Thatgirl Member Posts: 276
    edited April 2011

    I agree with orange. Also that inflammation from conditions brought on from insulin resistance is bad for cancer.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited April 2011

    I get that "sugar feeds cancer" is a very simplistic way to look at it, but it has been definitively linked to a variety of cancer-promoting conditions, like an increase in IGF-1 and insulin resistance.  I'm not saying that I gave up all sugar all the time - I still like birthday cake, etc. But stuff like daily sugar in my coffee and regular treats?  That's out the door for me.  And like many of you, I was a health nut before - the healthiest of my friends, in fact!    For me, the pros of giving up sugar ourweigh the cons.  This seems like an easy thing to do to promote overall health, I guess.  

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited April 2011

    And it's never one thing that "causes" breast cancer.  Nobody knows.  All they can do is come up with ways to lower our risk.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited April 2011

    Our waters are polluted to the point where pregnant women shouldnt' eat the fish, our air is polluted, there are more chemicals in our foods and skin care that we can pronounce, and we are stressed beyond our limits (many of us) and live on a diet of coffee and fast food (many of us).   And he thinks it's sugar?   

  • Sherbear
    Sherbear Member Posts: 215
    edited April 2011

    Fearless, couldn't agree more.........

  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited April 2011

    Sugar does not cause cancer it feeds it, this is why they use glucose for PET scans. They inject it and watch where it goes. If it goes to an area it lights up the PET scan  indicat thing that there is tumor activity.

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited April 2011

    Sugar (glucose) feeds all cells, but cancer cells having a higher proportionate metabolic demand, consume more of it compared to surrounding tissue.  This is exploited in the PET scan, where radioactive glucose is injected and seen in higher density in the tumor cells.

     I think it's unusual for humans to consume the amounts of refined sugars we do in our modern diets and it's probably detrimental in many ways.  Obesity and adult onset diabetes is rampant, and both of those conditions are associated with increased susceptibility to most of the processes that kill us.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited April 2011

    Yes, I guess my feeling is that cutting out sugar from my diet will have good implications on many levels, from my reduced risk of a variety of medical conditions to being fit and trim.  So  this has been an easy change for me to make.    There's no real benefit to daily sugar, so why include it?  But that's just me...

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited April 2011

    The sugar feeds cancer thing because they use glucose in PET scans is a myth.  This is not the argument of the NYT article.  The article is arguing that sugar in the diet promotes a specific metabolic disorder that creates a cancer-inducing environment.   I think obesity is a bigger link in this chain than a specific food, like sugar.  In any event, cancer can do quite well in people who don't have this syndrome.  This is not "the answer."

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited April 2011

    Cancer did incredibly well in this young, vegetarian, balanced-diet, no junk, low fat, yoga addicted, water drinking, no parabens and BHAs patient.

    As a friend once said, I'm pretty sure the diet isn't going to save us.  That doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but I think it means cutting out all birthday cake no matter what is not going to be the defining difference.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited April 2011

    Never mind cancer, I just want to lose the pot belly that looks ridiculous when I'm not wearing prostheses, which is most of the time.  

    And as a bonus, hopefully I'll produce less estrogen and get rid of fatty liver if I have it, thus avoiding the family tendency of late onset diabetes.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited April 2011

    I don't think anyone on this board is saying cutting out sugar is "the answer."  Just one thing that we can do to reduce our risk of a variety of conditions.  The books, "Life Over Cancer" and "Anti-Cancer: a New Way of Life,"  both recommend reducing sugar intake dramatically.  I'm not giving up Christmas cookies or birthday cake, but it just wasn't hard to cut sugar on a daily basis.  

     I don't think any one thing is "the answer."  There are no sure bets in cancer.  But there are lots and lots of things that we can do to reduce our risk.   

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited April 2011

    One of the first post-bc-dx books I picked up and highly recommend is Beating Cancer With Nutrition, by Patrick Quillin, PhD, RD, CNS, and former Director of Nutrition for Cancer Centers of America.  In a chapter entitled, Sugar Feeds Cancer, he has a diagram showing how poorly controlled blood glucose poisons the body, including causing increased oxidation, increased fat in blood, encouraging yeast growth, lowering immunity, increased protein kinase C which increases abnormal cells, Sorbitol buildup, increased insulin, deterioration in vessels, and more.  All of the information in this book is very complete, well-researched and compelling.

    And while not all of the above concerns are directly related to allowing cancer cells to proliferate, our bodies are such complex machines, it seems to me that whenever one thing goes wrong, it diverts our immune system's attention from other things (like bc cells!) that could be brewing.

    Just my take on why cutting way back on processed sugar is probably a good thing.     Deanna 

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited April 2011

    I read the same book and found it very interesting.   I agree with your assessment that diverting the immune system's attention is not a good thing.  I ended up with swine flu and mono at the same time last year at age 36.  My immune system must have been a bit of a disaster!  Obviously, I already had the cancer at that point, but I have spent a lot of time researching how to boost the immune system, since mine was so clearly compromised.

  • luv_gardening
    luv_gardening Member Posts: 1,393
    edited April 2011

    Sweetbean, Unless they've got a new theory now, the stronger the immune system, the worse the swine flu. The problem is the immune system over reacts like an allergic reaction.  That's why it affects young healthy people worse than older people with poorer immune systems.  So I don't think you can assume your immune system is low.

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited April 2011

    sweetbean:  After my post, I decided to cut out sugar in my tea - I'm doing it slowly; I can't go cold turkey when trying to quit something, but I'm now down to 1/2 tsp (from 2 tsps) I'm getting used to the more bitter taste and am thinking of trying some herbal teas in case they taste better. Unfortunately I am not supposed to drink green tea, because I'm on a blood thinner.

    I find it hard to understand why the sugar in fruits is bad. That is natural sugar, how can it be bad?  As a teenager I ate fruit by the pound - never got sick -

    I no longer buy frozen dinners, cook veggies, brown rice, etc. instead. I do miss the frozen dinners, but the natural foods don't have you feeling hungry an hour later so that is a big plus.  I am also dumping my microwave - I feel if I have to cook everything on the stove, I will eat less.

  • BirdyRobin
    BirdyRobin Member Posts: 105
    edited April 2011

    Hi all,

    I am newly diagnosed. I have been doing as much research as I can into the correlation between diet and cancer. I have decided to change my diet from a crash, eat what ever when ever on the run. To a much healthier whole food, whole grain, green tea, no red meat diet. Its only been a week but I am feeling fuller and not interested in sweet snacking. I have included a "green" smoothie in my daily foods. As for the sugar debate I am trying to eliminate as much of the processed sugar as I can. I believe that plant, vegetable and fruit sugars are good. There is some thought that cancer does use more sugar than regular cells, however, if you use the sugars in pants etc they mix with the cancer fighting components in the nutrients to fight cancer....so the cancer cells absorb the sugars along with the cancer fighting nutrients to kill themselves as they naturally feed. I hope this is understandable and doesn't sound like rambling.

    Ok, do I have proof? No, but I can say I love the fruits and veggies and the shakes are a good way to get 9+ servings a day.

    Robin

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited April 2011

    I don't believe sugar is toxic.

    But I will say that when consumed in copious amounts, the next day I wake up with a sugar hangover.  Swollen hands, feet, belly, sluggish, just an overall ICK feeling.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited April 2011

    ACtually, I don't believe that the sugar in fruits is bad, either.  Isn't it fructose, not glucose?  of course, everything gets broken down into glucose, but I think the process of breaking it down slows the absorbtion.  This prevents the insulin spike, etc. (I may be making this up, though - disclaimer!)  i have a couple of pieces of fruit a day - lots of berries, etc.  Honestly, now that I have cut out sugar, fruit tastes MUCH sweeter.  if I had a brownie at this point, I'd probably go into a diabetic coma!  I honestly don't miss the sugar and I don't mind saving desserts for special occasions.

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