Learned today that I belongs to this group!
Hi,
I was diagnosed with stage IIB and just finished chemo. I was looking forward to have a little break before I start the radiation.
Today I was scheduled to have my demo and tattoo before the radiation starts.
My RO, who I have met once before told me she needs to be very aggressive around my collar bones since I am a stage III and one of my tumors in my armpit had started to grow towards the level III lymph nodes (???) I told her that I was staged at stage II, but she insisted that with the size of one of my tumors and the number of lymph nodes involved, that I'm a stage III.
I was really surprised that she told me I was stage III, since both my BS and MO has told me I am at stage IIB.
In the same time I'm a little bit upset with my MO and my BS, because I have always had the feeling that they really don't want to talk about negative things, only the positive.
I know it's not a big different between stage IIB and IIIA, but of some reason it made me really depressed.
I thought that I was going to be able to put this disease on the back burner for a little while and just try to enjoy my life, but it seems like this is the only thing on my mind again.
Please, tell me that stage III is not as bad as I think it is right now.
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I'm sorry, InTwoPlaces. Even though there isn't much difference between 2b and 3a..I'd still rather be 2b. But, really....what has changed? A number in your file? I don't think your treatment options have changed. I would think that with 7 positive nodes, rads was not talked about as an option.
You'll be fine. It's just a shock..the number. You're already well on your way to being done with treatment and coming out on the other side of this. Here is the link for BCO's staging page.
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Well I am stage IIIA as well, but it says IIB on all the oncologist records or reports or whatever you call them. My oncologist said IIB/IIIa. My surgeon sat with me for some time trying to convince me I was IIIa ( I went from a stage I to a stage III after surgery). According to the still unchanged books in her office (it has recently changed), I was a stage IIa. On the internet, I am a stage II. I see that you also have a rather small tumor, perhaps that is why you were told IIB. You tumor is a T1. But 4 lymph nodes or over technically put you in stage IIIa. I don't like being in stage III either. I try not to think about it too much. I think of it as meaning more aggressive treatment. You will get more aggressive treatment near your collar bone because of it. Thinking of it as anything more than staging to determine the treatment of our cancers is not helpful (this is what I tell myself). And I really don't think there is much difference between stage IIB and stage IIIA. Both are considered early stage cancers. In my weak moments, I sometimes sit around and worry about those nodes. But their job is to catch the cancer, and chemo's job is to kill whatever cancer the nodes didn't catch. We have done everything we can do. Let's try to to have faith that it will work!
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I'm here 5 years after stage 3 Dx....its s***** but its not a death sentence.
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I had tumors in both breasts, the largest one being in my left breast. My surgeon said, "You're stage III on the left side, stage II on the right." Um, okay. So I guess I could consider myself "stage two and a half" overall! I just go with stage III. From what I've seen on these boards, recurrence seems to have as much to do with your tumor's biology as it does with stage.
BTW, I just passed my three-year anniversary, and I've never felt better! You'll be fine, too.
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I can relate to how you are feeling. I also thought I was a IIb-at least that is what I was told or at least what I think I heard. When I finally admitted to myself and received confirmation when I asked my rad onc. I was freaked out for a while. My tumor size was small (1.6cm) but I had 6+nodes and extra capsular extension. Yes, we would all rather be stage II but I can tell you that many, many, many stage IIIers end up doing well. When I was freaking out about being stage III one of my docs said, "I have had stage I and II people go on to get metastastic disease and I have many patients who were diagnosed as stage III who are fine years and years out. We just never know who will recur."
When I was first diagnosed my oldest daughter was only 8. Just today we were visiting the high school she will attend in Sept. My middle daughter (in 1st grade when I was diagnosed) will be going into 7th grade and my youngest (4 yrs. old when I was diagnosed) will be starting 5th grade. I NEVER thought I would be here but here I am, like many other stage III women.
Feel confident that by being a stage III you are in good company and many of us are ok.
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Sorry you had to join us, I'd rather be IIB myself so, I understand you being a bit depressed. You're tx would have most likely been the same though and IIIA is still considered early stage. I know it's hard but the grade, HER2 and ER didn't change & that's what is important so, try not to let it get you down. We're good gals here & we're here for you.
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Hi InTwoPlaces,
I know how you feel. I went from "it doesn't look like it's cancer" to Stage II to finally Stage III. In the beginning, I can't even say Stage III, I would say "early stage" like that would make it better. Did not change what I had but it made me feel better. After reading everything that I can about BC, I am not so concerned about the stage anymore but rather the treatment that I had and continue to have (tamox). I am only two and a half years from diagnosis but can tell you that things do get better with time.
Good luck with radiation! It was uneventful for me and so much easier than chemo. Take care.
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I must admit that I was relieved to be in this group. I had a 8 cm tumor that was visibly growing and I could tell by the looks of my doctors that they were sure that it had already spread. When I got the news that I was stage 3, I was so happy to be given a chance to fight it. I guess it all depends on the perspective.
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Hi Ladies, I'm new to your team and happy to have one. I finally just got my diagnosis of IIIb. My entire right breast is the lesion (t4, N1, ILC - very sneaky) and this is while I was under the scrutiny of 3 breast specialists for 3 years while on HRT. It can happen. Dense breasts and everyone saying fibroid cyst disease. Guess what, you miss the elephant in the room when you think your looking at something else.
Okay, I'm through the shock and ready for the big fight. I'm' a fighter so ready.
My question to anyone here, is it a good idea to get expanders or anything as prep for reconstruction at the same time I have my bilateral mastectomy? Being on a path to having breasts again will help me in the psychological fight to beat this, but not if expanders or Diep flap or whatever options available will pose risks / complications in the adjuvent phase. I'll assume a 25% risk but am I better off just postponing reconstruction entirely until I'm past this entire phase?
I'm open to all input - Thank you in advance.
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InTwoPlaces...I too can relate to the stage changing. When I was first dx I was a Stage 1. After my lumpectomy mine became a Stage 2. It depressed me too. We all know women survive from all stages but there is just something about moving up a stage. I do know doctors are as concerned about the grade of the cancer as they are of the stage; in particular the oncotype test which is all about the biology of the cancer. We all know early stagers have the cancer return and vice versa. We just have to do our best and stay on top of our medical condition and treatment. Dont leave everything in the hands of your doctors - capable or not. It is about your life and the decisions you make will affect you for the rest of your life. I ask a lot of questions and read, read, and read some more. Try not to stress about it because yours is in the early stages regardless. diane
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@Katarina...I chose no recon but the original plan for me was expanders first. My dr was relieved when I chose no recon, she said the rads can cause the surgery site not to heal well. This is my only experience with recon...not much help but hope it did! Maybe someone who did it can chime in, I think there's a recon forum also.
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To answer Katarina:
I chose delayed reconstruction. I was told that even though they didn't think I would need it (went into surgery stage I with no nodes on any previous tests, even biopsied node didn't show cancer and then surprise!!!! 4 nodes at surgery..stage III. This wasn't all of a shock though, I knew they wouldn't know what was REALLY going on until they got in there), that radiation could affect the implants if I had reconstruction at surgery. I don't really regret it. I thought I would need to "mourn" the lost breast and get used to it not being there. And I have. It doesn't really bother me. Yes, I look deformed but I''ve even been going out without my foob. This is the new me. Apparently, the amazon women of the past would sometimes remove a breast so they could be more efficient with a bow and arrow. For some reason this made me feel STRONG! Having said that, I am hoping to get the DIEP procedure in the future. I think I want this because I believe with implants, they have to be replaced eventually. And I like the idea of belly fat being moved to a better place.
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It looks like a lot of us started out with earlier stages before finally finding that we are stage III. It really is a huge jump from stage II to III. I often read that those with I or II don't get why we need to differentiate the threads by staging as it doesn't make that much difference....we are all just women with bc. Sorry. Staging does matter when you are dealing emotionally with stage III and deciding on treatment options. They are not really "options" at this point. And yet, I lost a dear friends who was stage II. So there really is no safety in any stage.
But, on the brighter side, I am now 4 years out. There are a lot of stage III sisters who are coming back to tell us their incredible stories. Yesterday, at work, I met a customer who was stage III and doing well 6 years out.
I would suggest that you don't do too many searches on the net for stats at this point. They are all several years old and can be overwhelming at first. Let someone else do the homework for you while you are dealing with the reality. There definitely is good news for us stage III's in the last few years!
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Thank you Jenny for the input. I've heard what you shared and then have had Drs. tell me what they think I want to hear. I feel the truth comes more from people like you and those who have done it. I posted to the other site on recon but many members there were lypmh node negative. Stage III ers are not that lucky.
Thanks again.
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Pip / Kathleen --- the more I read the better approach sounds like forgetting about recon until I'm past the surgery and adjuvent therapy. I totally agree that the stages and prognoses constantly keep changing and it's really a personal, almost gut like decision. I just want to move forward with the bilateral mastectomy but don't want to do so without knowing that there were options, either chosen as course of action or passed up with educated information, and finding out later that I need 2x more surgery for recon. I like the diep flap approach anyway so probably expanders and implants are not what I should be thinking about.
Thank you again for all you support and information all. Nice to be here with you on this journey. Have a great day!!!
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I ended up not doing recon but my docs told me to wait until chemo and rads was over.
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i didn't do recon either.
My BS wouldn't do immediate recon as she wanted me to be healed faster so I could get into Chemo quicker, and also we knew I would be doing Rads.
I could have got the process going after Rads, but actually it doesn't bother me having no recon. If I could "magic" a new boob on I would, of course, but I am happy enough with how things are now, without subjecting myself to more Surgery.
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No recon for me either. No regrets about it.
It is such a personal decision that is obviously different for so many people. No right or wrong.
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I'm still early in this game, had BMX in Jan. but so far I have no regrets about no recon and don't think I will. I know things can change but I just want to get on with my life, I don't want to go through more surgeries and risk infections or other things going wrong. Right now my attitude is, I want to live, as a IIIC whether I have breast or not doesn't seem important to me. True...there's no right or wrong, it's a personal decision.
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I had my bilateral mastectomy on Monday and still waiting for the 'official" path report to come out but it's as many have noted, what they find during the surgery and after the path report is really the closest answer to where we are in this journey. Turns out my tumor was 12cm but I had only 3 nodes that were cancerous. They did an exillary node dissection so essentially removed all the notes from that area (15-20) exact count is sketchy until final pathology report is done. My Doctor is holding firm to stage IIIa at this point. I"m more curious about next steps in treatment. They are doing an onco type test to see if my cancer responds to chemo but results won't be known for 2 weeks or later. I did learn something intersting today as well. They have a tumor board at my cancer center and this board reviews and has alot to say about my treatment. It's a group input and not just my oncologist although he is ultimately accountable. Have any of you had this tumor review board process before? I'm at a a community hospital which has it's own cancer center. I understand they are an advisory committee on adjuvent treatment. I'm just curious about the good or bad of it. Undoubtedly they influence my team of Doctors since they all are on Hospital staff.
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I had my bilateral mastectomy on Monday and still waiting for the 'official" path report to come out but it's as many have noted, what they find during the surgery and after the path report is really the closest answer to where we are in this journey. Turns out my tumor was 12cm but I had only 3 nodes that were cancerous. They did an exillary node dissection so essentially removed all the notes from that area (15-20) exact count is sketchy until final pathology report is done. My Doctor is holding firm to stage IIIa at this point. I"m more curious about next steps in treatment. They are doing an onco type test to see if my cancer responds to chemo but results won't be known for 2 weeks or later. I did learn something intersting today as well. They have a tumor board at my cancer center and this board reviews and has alot to say about my treatment. It's a group input and not just my oncologist although he is ultimately accountable. Have any of you had this tumor review board process before? I'm at a a community hospital which has it's own cancer center. I understand they are an advisory committee on adjuvent treatment. I'm just curious about the good or bad of it. Undoubtedly they influence my team of Doctors since they all are on Hospital staff.
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Hi Katarina:
I'm sorry you've had to join us.
As I understand it -bear in mind I could be incorrect-- all cases go before a tumor board. This allows the oncologist (and often surgeon) to present the case for recommended protocols.
Try not to get too hung up on staging. Yes, we "3 gals" would rather be a lower number - no minimizing that- but disease progression and survival is more complicated than that. These days, hormone receptors and HER2 status seem to be important prognostic factors as well.
Good luck. Take it slowly - so much information to disgest. Lots of great support here.
hugs-
Janyce
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Hi. I'm also pretty new to this. I was just diagnosed 2/25. I have not had the courage to ask what stage I am, but I believe it's stage 3c. I know my tumor is 4.5cm and there are two smaller tumors as well in the right breast. One is partly in the muscle. Also know at least 2 nodes have cancer from fine needle biopsy. MRI says it looks like multiple node involvement. Not sure what that means. Thank God no mets or cancer anywhere else on the bone or cat scans I've had. Also not great on the tumor, it's grade 3 and Her2 +. Doing neoadjuvant therapy. Finished 2 of 4 rounds of AC then on to 4 rounds of Taxol and a year of Herceptin then 5 years of Tomoxifan. I go from being optimistic to down trodden at the drop of a hat. Trying to take it slowly. Good luck to all of us. This is a great website and I thank God I've found it.
I do believe all hospitals have a tumor board and all cancers are discussed there. I guess easier ones are more of a rubber stamp and ones where there are more questions or different types of options are discussed more. It makes me feel a little safer as well. Hope to be talking to all of you more on this stage 3 board as time goes on. TTYL
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Got my path report back today. Tumor was 12.5 cm with 3 lymph nodes showing metastatic carcinoma.
One on my lymph nodes measured 1.7 cm --- one of the "grossly" cancerous of the three. Had 3/10 total axillary removed.
I guess next step is CT/PET scans. Keeping my fingers crossed. I'd like to know if anyone else here had a single mestastic lymph node near or larger than 1.7cm? Really huge.
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Katarina, I had a large lymph node also I can't remember how big but it was as big as yours or bigger. They took 2 out of 3. I am 3 yrs out so you will be fine. Good luck on your scans.
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Katarina,
Glad to hear you got back your path report and can get going on things. I think tumor boards are pretty normal and a GOOD thing. I mean the more input/knowledge/wisdom going into your treatment is definitely a plus! A BC support group I attend has a mock tumor board meeting once a year for the public to attend if they want to learn more about what happens there. Unfortunately I haven't been able to make one.
Had a lot of node involvement, but they didn't comment on how large they were. None lit up on my PET nor MRI before surgery. They also had extra capular extension, which basically means they had started to rupture. Egads, I hadn't found that out until my rads consult, sitting there w/out my husband and damn if that didn't freak me out. Had a mini meltdown in the changing room.
Let us know how you are doing.
Take care,
Sharon
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Katarina: I had 7 nodes removed, 6 were positive. They were clumped together, the largest mass was 3 cm. There have been studies done showing that with follow up treatment, the removal of lymph nodes is not as much a determining factor as once thought... can someone expand on this?
Best of luck on your scans...
One love, Jackie
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Thank you to all of you for your feedback. It really does put my mind at ease to hear your stories.
I'm going to see my surgeon today for first time since leaving the hospital and Oncologist tomorrow. I'm taking a close friend with me to both appts. who hasn't had cancer herself but took care of her mother during her ovarian cancer process. It's scary to see things keep changing (I was upped to Grade II) and be by yourself in the room sort of stunned when you hear something new.
My boss remarked the other day that if he were a cancer cell he'd would never under any circumstance have chosen my body to invade. ROFL. He knows me all to well. A fighter and not one who will sit idle waiting for something to happen.
I keep notes, read your inputs and research, research and learn. Thank you, Kat
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Katarina,
one of my lymph nodes was 4.5 cm and the next one down was 3.5 cm. I never found out how much cancer was in these two big ones (just that they were positive, no wording at all other than this) but I will tell you only one lit up mildly on the PET scan and then appeared benign on the CT scan. This same one appeared on the MRI as well. But none were seen on the ultrasound (a large one was tested). My largest tumor was 1.6 cm so I was a bit freaked out that my lymph node was soo large. I did not have the extra capular extension. I am still new here basically, only three months since my last chemo. I wish you well!
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I believe the new theory is that if only one or two sentinel nodes are positive for cancer, then removing the rest of the nodes does not have any impact on survival compared to leaving them and just radiating them. However, I think they are still recommending the dissection if there are more than two or three nodes. Not sure though. This sort of sucks, as I often wonder if there are cancer cells in there now and now more lymph nodes, then what keeps these cells from travelling? And I am suffering from lymphedema now due to the removal of all the nodes. Sorry to get off track here.
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