vegan diet and cancer

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sagina
sagina Member Posts: 1,219
edited June 2014 in Working on Your Fitness
I saw the registered dietitian in my oncologist's office - she has a bachelor, 2 masters and a phd - all associated with nutrition - who does a lot of research with cancer and diet.  She said a vegan diet can GREATLY reduce the risk of cancer, recurrence of cancer etc.  I've been eating like this for over a month now.  Anyone else have information about the benefit of a vegan diet, or risks?
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  • mdg
    mdg Member Posts: 3,571
    edited April 2011

    I don't specifically have information on a vegan diet but I have been reading some good books regarding nutrition for cancer patients and they explain which foods are best and foods you should avoid.  They do suggest a vegetarian diet can offer benefits.  The books I have found most valuable are The Anti Cancer:  A New Way of Life and the other one is Foods That Fight Cancer.  I suggest checking them out.  I have drastically changed my diet based on these books. 

  • silvercr33
    silvercr33 Member Posts: 9
    edited April 2011

    I just read an article about this in a magazine.  Went to central market today to buy all the stuff to make the green juice....worth a shot and I like fresh juice and the food....not sure I can go totally vegan, but I can do way better. I also read it  would help with weight gain....really put on the pounds with having lap band removed due to diverticulitis during initial radiation and the the inactivity that came during my treatment.  Looking forward to hearing any experiences with this type of eating/lifestyle.

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    After the first week it wasn't so bad.  I went to her at first when I saw a news story about a low fat diet and exercise lowering the risk of recurrence by 40%.  The dietitian told me that studies are proving it to be more like 80% and of course that avoiding animal and animal by products is the best way to protect myself.  I don't know what studies she is referring to though.  I thought it was going to be harder but she said that every time I reached for something at the grocery store ask myself if that will get to my goal, of course my goal is to not have cancer again, by helping in any way I can.  If I had known it was this simple, I would have lost weight a long time ago. I have lost 15 pounds or so, but I have a long long way to go on the weight loss.  Need to find the energy to start exercising too.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    Definitely read the Anti Cancer: The New Way of Life.  I have completely changed my diet over the last couple of years.  I really don't find it difficult as I love fruits and veggies.  Turmeric is a daily staple too.  I hope it helps. I know that there are many vegans who have ended up with bc.  But maybe they would have had it sooner or more aggressive without the good diet.  I don't know.  I only know that it is the little control that I have left and it isn't going to harm me.  Pretty much everything I put in my body, I consider to be my medicine.

    I don't juice but I would think it is healthier than NOT eating the proper foods.  However, I have learned that the production of certain chemicals rely on chewing.  For example, broccoli releases two enzymes, that are  normally contained in separate cells, when the broccoli is chewed.  The chewing combines them and creates another enzyme which is considered to be important in fighting cancer.  If the broccoli is juiced, the enzyme created loses its potency before you are able to drink the juice.  I don't know if this is true for a lot of foods too.

  • silvercr33
    silvercr33 Member Posts: 9
    edited April 2011

    I'd love to find a good exercise dvd to do at home. I try to walk frequently but it's about to get HOT in Texas! I'd like to hear some food ideas on your vegan diet....do you eat eggs, cheese or anything not plant based? I worry about protein!

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited April 2011

    I'm trying to keep away from red meat as much as possible - no chicken, but some seafood - only wild caught, however. i will eat the occasional hamburger but only organic. very little dairy- some skim milk, but virtually no cheese, no yogurt (just don't like the stuff).

    it's so hard to keep up on it all, and maintain it, and AFFORD it!! jeesh. my grocery bill has exponentially increased since i decided to only buy organic meat/dairy/produce, and yeah i know i'm worth it, but still.

    i'm trying a flourless/sugarless diet, with mixed success. damn, i miss sugar!

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    I am eating a vegan diet, no animals not even honey....i gave up caffeine while in chemo I such such burning sensation in my throat - so out went coffee and tea.  I gave up sugar when I read that elevated sugar levels "help cancel cells grow."  I knew I cancer in me at the time and that just gave me the creeps.  I get the protein from beans - lots of beans and hummus, like tuscan white bean, etc.  I have modified a lot of recipes like a chalupa shell (oh yeah I gave up all preservatives and enriched flours) with refined beans (read the label you'll be surprised at what can be in beans) then I saute in olive oil whatever veggies I have - mushrooms, asparagus, onion, peppers, black olives etc.  Pour that right on top of the chalupa with beans and its quite good.  I love hominy too, the Juanita brand doesn't have the preservatives and if you cook it in some olive oil it gets creamy like cheese!  I think at this point in my life the food is about faking the brain out.

    I do eat  a lot of salads and tons of spinach.  Spinach with grapefruit and avocado!!!! Wow! You don't even need dressing.  Sam's club had a box of frozen vegan patties for $9.  great deal.  When I want that hamburger or sandwich feel I reach for one of those. 

    Silvercr33 I'm in Texas too.  It's already hot!

    Elmcity69 yes it is expensive.  I shop for coupons on line before I hit the stores to save on the other stuff. 

    Pip57 I love mustard! (tumeric) How do you incorporate into your diet?  I'd love to learn.

    I did learn I need to take B12 mostly in animals.  

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    We have a shaker of half ground turmeric and black pepper.  I put it on my veggies every meal and in our homemade soups (which we eat a lot of).  My dh puts mustard on our salmon while grilling.  Very good.  I will eat chicken occasionally, but only organic.  We are lucky enough to have an organic farm around the corner from us.

    I would suggest adding green or white tea to your diet.  It is very good for us and good to drink too. 

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    I would have NEVER thought about adding turmeric to pepper as a condiment, what a great idea!  I'm doing that tonight!!!  I used to eat a pasta dish with mustard seed too, it was so good, but the restaurant closed.  Send any other tips please.  Green tea loose leaf or bag does it matter?

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited April 2011

    Speaking of pasta, I substituted my reg pasta with a brown rice pasta.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    Sagina....The pepper with the turmeric is necessary for  it to be absorbed by your body.  

    Re the tea...I prefer the loose leaf.  Less refining done.  However, I would think that it is better to use a tea bag as opposed to not having it at all.

    Travelling in the US, I have found that it is difficult to find pure tea leaves without anything added to it.  I get mine from Teaopia, but I don't know if it is available in the States.  I also prefer the white tea.  It is milder and is suppose to have more of the antioxidants in it.  Matcha green tea (powder) is also great added to yogurt. Again, hard to find it without stevia etc.  Teavana is the only place I could find south of the border. 

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    Pip57: We have a Whole Foods store with lots of organic products, very expensive but I don't have to spend so much time reading labels in that store.  I will look for the tea there and let you know. 

    Cyborg: I tried Quinoa in pasta form it is delicious.  My chemo ruined rice for me, or any mention or even the sight of!  Weird I know...hopefully that will subside one day.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    Just be sure to read the labels.  The only matcha tea I could find at Whole Foods had sugar or a substitute in it.  I was surprised that their loose tea selection was very limited. Of course, other Whole Foods could offer more.

  • Fighter_34
    Fighter_34 Member Posts: 834
    edited April 2011

    Believe it plays a factor not the total picture, but it plays a factor.Wink

    As far as price goes yes it's costly to eat well, but I use coupons for common items to have more funds for quality veggies, produce and meats. Another trick, I have reduced the amount of body products I use that has spared more money for specialty items.

    Elmcity69: ME TOOOOOO! I miss it so bad

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited April 2011

    i totally believe in the benefit of a vegan diet.. just make sure to get plenty of protein (says mom).. particularly if in active treatment.

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited April 2011

    I am worried to about lack of protein.

    I don't know if this is bad but I had dates and I seeded them and placed walnut haves in them. Yum. I am making a pot of pintos now.

    Maybe online loose tea could be found just need to make sure about the stevia, huh.

    I like this thread!!! I have just been diving into nutrition.

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    Cynthia have you tried Agave? It's a zero on the glycemic index...I am lucky to like things unsweetened, I just had never grabbed a hold of portion control.  I think my protein is good, I'm worried about B12.  I bought some unsweetened Almond milk today fortified with D and B12. 

    Does anyone have info on the best multi vitamin? Are they all the same as far as absorption?

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited April 2011

    Pip57,

    Did u say that pepper is needed for absorption of tumeric? Oh my! Do other types of pepper work? I put funeral in --- oh my the "intuitive" speller on my phone--- I put tumeric in with my jalopeno pepper laden pot of pintos. Beans and rice = good source of protein.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    I have only read about black pepper and turmeric.  I don't know if other peppers work.

    I am depending on beans, nuts and organic eggs for my protein.  However, watching Dr Oz yesterday and he suggested having a small portion of 'grass fed' red meat once a week for CLA to help with inflammation.  I am going do some more homework on that! 

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited April 2011

    Pip I am going to use the Turmeric pepper mixture Thanks

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    My dh just informed me that he also add some garlic powder too. 

    How are you mumayam?  We need to get together again soon. 

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited April 2011

    Sagina, l

    I have heard of agave. I am liking food unsweetened more and more. I am going to see the onc and wondering how I going to have a nutritionally sound diet while on chemo. Pretty sure I will have a round or two--- depending on what the onc says and for sure rads. I have finished the box of dates and now I won't have dates for awhile. I have been trying to keep my diet alchaline.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    I have found that since giving up salty and sweet foods (for the most part)  that I no longer crave it. I now dislike foods that are overpowering with salt and sugar. 

  • XmasDx
    XmasDx Member Posts: 225
    edited April 2011

    I'm vegetarian, but not vegan (yet!) although I followed a vegan diet strictly during Lent last year, so I learned a lot about how it's done... just wanted to recommend Kris Carr's "Crazy Sexy Diet" book because I'm reading it now and it is motivating, education, and fun all at once!  She advocates an alkaline vegan diet and has kept her cancer (not bc, other cancer affecting her liver/lungs) at bay for years now.  She refers to the book "Anticancer" several times in her book as well.

    Just thought I'd pass it along in case you are looking for additional motivation ~ the book also has some recipes in the back... I have not tried them yet.  

  • Rennasus
    Rennasus Member Posts: 1,267
    edited April 2011

    I followed a vegetarian diet for 7 years in my 30s and always found it difficult to get enough protein. I eventually started eating meat again after I found out I was anemic.

    I have had delayed healing issues since my BMX and found eating a lot of protein (100g's daily) to be vital ... just want to caution anyone who is currently healing from surgery and starting a vegetarian or vegan diet to be sure your protein intake is adequate!  

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    Thank you all for the great info!

    Cynthia, my oncologist told me not to eat my favorite foods during chemo, I thought she meant that day! NOT. I can not eat rice or look at it even, I purposely ate fast food, can't even stand the parking lots, and cumin, a staple in our cooking....gone....I can't even stand the smell.  I had to eat tums alot!

    She told me during my six rounds of chemo not to eat any raw veggies or fruits if possible.  I was so concerned with not getting sick from undercooked or raw food, I tended to cook the heck out of everything, frying it, micro it, didn't matter.

    She gave me a book "Eating well through cancer", wonderful book, what do eat if you are constipated, etc. etc. etc.  I clutched that book throughout my treatment.

    A friend gave me the book "The Skinny B**ch, the language is really strong, really really strong, but it's an easy read about leaving what she considers vices behind - smoking, sugar, meat, etc. 

    Xmasdx, thank you for the reading suggestion. I am down 20 lbs since the beginning of March with the vegan diet.  Once I started on it, I started to feel really guilty about anything with chemicals, refined sugar, etc.  I don't drink enough water though, chemo did a number on my brain about water.  Have started to buy Hint Essence Water.

    Pip57, I am eating lots of beans, nuts, and spinach!  I found some freeze dried beans, you heat up water, turn off the heat, pour them in and let them reconstitute!! Can't wait to try them.  Thanks for the garlic info, I had forgotten about that.  I don't seem to be seasoning my food much, and when I want the dipping factor I reach for the mustard - gave up all the sugary ketchup etc. 

    PS my name is Gina, I'm from San Antonio, Texas hence the SAGina, but I realize phonetically it might sound kind of funny!

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    Rennasus ~  I know what you mean about protein and the B12 and Vit D with the vegan diet.  I am seeing a registered dietitian to make sure I am doing this right.  I head into radiation next week and I can't imagine being anemic and fighting cancer - not a good combo.

    For a good protein snack, I tend to eat some peanut butter with a flat cracker around three at work.  Beats the old me, can of soda  or candy bar! 

  • XmasDx
    XmasDx Member Posts: 225
    edited April 2011

    Sagina, I should warn you that Kris Carr has a potty mouth!  But I find her entertaining... 

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    Xmasdx ~ then you will laugh your butt off with the other book.  It is a tell it like it is book!  I actually laughed out loud most of the way through.  I will definetly get the book.  Might need some reading material as I visit the rad doc everyday...

    We have a 1/2 price book store here, that's where I have purchased a lot of the vegan cookbooks. Most have charts of what vitamin and minerals, etc you get from each veggie, tofu etc. 

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited April 2011

    I spelled alkaline wrong--- spelling shame. Ok. No raw food during chemo. What the heck. I am going to have to go up a couple of notes and see what the name of the book is again. Ibwant to remain healthy but not put myself at risk for infection from raw food. I am goingnto get that book. Tomorrow is my first consult with my med onc. Boy o boy. At keast I am moving more into the action phase ... I've been in the post surgery phase for awhile. Thanks for the great ideas ladies

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