Half-Serious question - any personal trainers out there?
I'm going to be having my bmx in May, with no immediate reconstruction. (I have IBC, so I have no reconstruction options for a year after last symptom anyway.)
I have had large breasts all my life, and the grass is always greener, so for now I think it's very unlikely I will ever have reconstruction. I want to run, and bike, and throw on a t-shirt without a bra.
Here is my half-serious question...men make their pectoral muscles prominent through exercise - you think that's possible for a woman to do *without* developing huge shoulders and arms and such - can you isolate those muscles that much? Just a little muscle in an A cup miracle bra would look like a small bustline, when you want one.
As I said, it's half-serious but - what do you think, possible or not? Ever heard of anyone trying it?
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Pam,
I had exactly the same thought in 2006 when I had my bilat. I worked out religiously for about 2 years on weight machines, with the lightest setting on the chest machines and 2 sets of 15 reps (working up to that to be safe), and never as much as most women were doing. I don't know if they removed some of my muscle (They certainly weren't supposed to!), or if my pecs are just up higher than many people's, or if it just doesn't work. At least it didn't for me. I watched all the man-boobs with envy, and resented them. I didn't mind women having better boobs than I did, but I didn't want men to. I will note that I should not have done all that, as my surgeon had told me I had NO LE risk, as he "only removed one or two lymph nodes in the breast tissue". A year later I got the report and found that I'd had axillary node dissection (12 on the L and 9 on the R). I never had noticeable symptoms of LE in that time, but I was always terrified by what I had done, and I have developed Stage 0 LE, which presents when I do too many repetitive movements (like the skillet I just scrubbed). So I am much more cautious now, and the Y I went to made some changes in their equipment and staff, so I no longer go there. If you do want to try it, please use very small free weights and build up gradually. Start with 1 pound weights and a few reps. My own pecs, when flexed, are mostly above a bra line, with very little below that. When I have on forms and flex my pecs, the forms move slightly, but with all that work, I'm still bony from my clavicle down. Good luck, and very sorry to rain on your parade. I will say that going without forms is a very freeing lifestyle, but having some forms can be a boost to the sense of sexiness. I keep switching back and forth between them every few months. I don't like to switch during the day...too hard on my self-image...who is that woman in the mirror? Im starting to think I feel better without forms in the winter when I wear more jackets, and with forms in the summer with my chest is more noticeable. This is counter to the wisdom that the forms help keep one warmer in winter and make one hot in summer. Can't win them all.
Dawn
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PaminWV: I have worked out for years and, when it comes to a woman's body, the pecs we can develop are by and large *above* where our breasts are. The area under our breasts is largely tissue. Men and women are built different and our center of gravity is different, higher, than that of a man b/c, of course, we are designed to carry children. This is why the whole "build up the pecs" idea does not work. You can build up your pecs, however, and to drag them down a bit and get that "under pec cut" men have, you want to do decline presses. There is a smith machine at the gym with a bench that will both incline and decline. You would *NEVER* find a woman on the decline because the last thing we want to do (former enormous jugs here as well!) is drag them further toward our knees!! Decline for you will help you take what you are building up in your pec muscles a bit above where your breasts used to be and drag it down. This is how you might be able to, in fact, get "man boobs" or "moobs!" without getting a large upper body. One more thing you need to know about lifting and getting large: women don't have the center of gravity, as already mentioned, nor enough testosterone to get "big" and the women that you see, who are competing who also have larger muscles than you would ever want, are very hard core training and perhaps even juicing(taking steroids). You should feel safe that you will never get too much upper body, bulky muscle unless you want it.
PM me if you have more questions.
Best of luck,
Liz
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Liz,
Thanks so much for the info! Now I don't feel like such a failure! Excellent explanation!
Dawn
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Thanks so much for the information and sharing your experiences! No worries, you're not raining on my parade in the least - my hopes weren't high. I figured that if it were something that worked for women easily or on a regular basis, we'd probably all just get a flyer on it when we have our mx.
Liz, I will have to think about whether I'll try it or not, but again, I really appreciate the info and experiences! My whole upper body is very soft right now....first I wouldn't lift much because my IBC was painful, but then I have been kind of paranoid about increasing any blood flow to the chest area...seems like it would be serving up additional resources to the cancer. It's probably kind of crazy but that's how I feel. So I need at least some upper body conditioning anyway.
Dawn, that totally makes sense to me anyway - forms in warmer weather, form-free in the winter.
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I'm a personal trainer and just happened to see your question. Those who replied are correct in that you can certainly build your pectoral muscles through presses, but the muscles are actually above the area of the breasts which, as you know, are largely fatty tissue. Men have a great deal more testosterone than we do and, so, they build much larger muscle, sometimes resulting in a look that simulates a small, hard and toned breast. I think that it would be unrealistic for you to aim to achieve that same look, but you can certainly become very well toned throughout the whole area and, in doing so, look very attractive.
I understand your fear about exercising your chest immediately after treatment, but once you're out for awhile, those fears should subside and you can work out as hard as you want. Good luck. I know that you're gonna love that new feeling of lightness combined with healthy strength. And goodness knows, you deserve to!
~Marin
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PamnWV,
I had BMX no recon last July. Going flat is quite comfortable and I do it as soon as I get home.....My microbead forms get pulled right out of my sports bras the minute I am in the door, or even in the car on the way home. In the winter, when I wear layers, I somethimes go form-free in public. The thing about going form free with just a tee-shirt that I am sensitive about is that I am not exactly flat, I am actually a bit concave. It's hard to explain, but I don't find it particularly attractive and this shape shows through a fitted t-shirt. I have two pairs of microbeads in two sizes (6s and 7s as I was formerly a D cup). I like the smaller ones and I think I might order some even smaller ones (like 4s and 5s) to wear this summer, just to have some shape with as little weight as possible during hot weather. I look just fine in clothes with the microbead forms and my husband, daughter and I are used to the way I look au natural. Good luck.
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PaminWV: you are onto something, though. Decline can help you achieve a semblance of the look you want. I have committed to and lived under so many incorrect preconceived notions about bc and female system cancer etc... that I always now ask my docs everything. More to this point, you should ask them if you are correct and that in weight-lifting, and thereby inviting blood flow to the area, might give cancer some tools it did not otherwise have. I had myself convinced, for years, that "the pill" caused female system cancer! What an idiot I was! In all actuality, the pill can help us avoid that cancer! You see what I mean?! Always ask your docs. Your thinking does make sense but ask them just the same.
I don't know how you will feel but I can tell you I was happy to wake up from my bmx and have those poisoned, humongous fat sacks that were trying to kill me gone!
Sespebadger: well said!
Boobsinbox: I am mid-recon and, speaking to the point you made about well-developed pec muscles being just above the bra line (and you are correct!), I can now do the pec dance with my TEs as I still have so much control over my pec muscles even after they have been sliced open to accomodate the TEs!!!! It is sooo much fun!
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Fitchick, thanks for the info! I really think I am going to like the feeling of strength with lightness too - also balance (I like riding mountain bikes and balance is very important).
Sespebadger - I think the slightly concave look is very common, from what I'm reading, and I will just have to see what I end up with. Does a sports bra work the best for you? I read someone recently saying they wore a little strapless-bandeau type bra with small forms because bra straps will encourage it to ride up.
Liz - Lol love the Pec dance!! I actually would talk to my doc about exercise now, but my MX is in 6 weeks anyway. Right now Im working on aerobic strength and conditioning for the surgery, and I have been very fatigued these last few weeks of chemo (2 left!). But I'll definitely ask her!
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PaminWV,
I like sports bras (from Target) because they have a wide soft band at the bottom so they don't ride up too far, they come in lots of colors and they come with thin shoulder straps or thicker straps. The thin straps peeking out from the neckline of a tee-shirt really add to the illusion that you are wearing a bra because you have breasts. LOL. As my husband says, "Men are easily fooled." I like the lightness of no breasts, but without them I do notice any areas to the south that need a little toning!
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