Taxotere is a nightmare
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No.... The 25% includes recurrance plus new cancer stats... I continue to be higher risk due to old ADH plus other birad 3 things currently in breast and pappilloma still in breast... AND and a lot of scar tissue from 2 surgeries and 2 biopsies plus the whole dense tissue thing makes it hard to monitor... And even though rads plus lump have a similar recurrance rate to mx, having rads on my left breast could damage my heart... and it would compromise my skin if I did have a recurrance and needed recon after... All these things lead me to want a PBMX over rads, but I want all the info of MX risks like Lymphedema... No more nodes from my armpit would come out... that I know.
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Ah, BDavis, you have lots to consider then. I would probably err on the side of not hurting my heart with rads....but that's me.
The LE risk is not raised by much for MX, I will try and find my literature on it!
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I think I understand bdavis - I will ask my LE therapist on wednesday if she knows of any increased risk for LE with the removal of intramammary nodes with mx. Did I get that correct?
Also, I think the rads planning these days (provided you have a very good rad onc) does a pretty good job of avoiding the heart. But you have other considerations as well. Also, I don't think she saw the breast node with MRI but with the US.
Diagnosis: 6/21/2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ -
Thanks Omaz... you do understand me right... At this point it isn;t one consideration, it is all the considerations... and then living with my decision... and I DO need to sleep at night and not obsess.
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Back to the weight issue for a second. I lost a lot of weight during chemo: about two dress sizes. I went from size 10 to 6/5. I know it is bad, but now, I am trying to eat a lot and gain back some of the weight. I hope I will be able to do it. Ok, I don't want to be a size 10 but a size 8 would be nice. I would feel a lot better.
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Yes an MX even puts you at risk. My BS told me this. Of course it's lower than MX with many nodes but the risk is still there.
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survivorwoman: I have some weight I can send you. I have a lot to spare these days.
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Did I read somewhere too that you can get LE in other places besides the arms. We think of LE in the arm with BC but I think it can occur other places too.
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Yes there is breast, chest, truncal LE. Now that really doesn't seem like fun at all.
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My weight, although not too serious right now, is not a fluctuation. Initially thru the first half of my chemo I lost approx 8 -10 lbs. Progressing from FEC into taxotere, I gained it back plus about an extra 5lbs so far. That's from October until now. I am getting back to working out and am not an unhealthy eater so hopefully I can get a handle on it. Maybe it's herceptin?? Chemopause?? Who knows!
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So Lago... can an MRI show what nodes are in the breast??
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bdavis I don't really know what the MRI shows and doesn't but my guess would be yes. My guess is as good as yours.
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bdavis- The IM nodes are not removed during MX. The IM nodes are located under the breastbone and between the ribs. Almost impossible to get to, and even if cancerous aren't usually removed. They aren't in the breast tissue, so aren't removed during MX. I had an IM node as a sentinel node. It was the very top one. My breast surgeon had never removed one in 10 yrs of surgery, but was able to get it out since it was at the very top of the IM chain. Fortunate for me....as it ended up being positive. Haven't had any LE symptoms. It has been 2 years.
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jacee - Well I must be an odd one because my radiologist definitely found an IM node in the breast near my lumpectomy site that she rolled over with the US again and again checking it. Just my experience and what she said it was.
So jacee is right bdavis - They do exist, I am an odd one, but they are very rare. Interesting, seems to me like the breast tissue would have lymph nodes - I can remember getting mastitis (hot lump in the breast) when I was breast feeding. Seems like you would want LNs there for that. Thanks jacee for clearing that up.
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Doesn't matter what you call them. There ARE lymph nodes in the breast tissue that are NOT under the breastbone. I've only ever heard them called IM and the diagrams I find call them that too.
I had two lymphs in the breast tissue upon lab dissection and they weren't SN.
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TonLee - The article is from 1992 - the link that says they are rare. Like all these things, sometimes the research and literature take a while to catch up!
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Sorry Omaz,
I didn't even look at the link...that's what I get for posting before coffee!
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Sorry, my confusion. I was referring to the Internal Mammary Nodes (which are between the breastbone and ribs in the intercostal spaces). Intramammary Nodes are any nodes surrounded by breast tissue and can be in any quadrant
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TonLee - From that I think there are IM nodes in breast but they are rare (that's what it says) so really both things are true it's just a matter of who gets what!! Who would have thought I would have trouble with rads and LE/pain down arm with just 2 SNs removed. I should be low risk I would think and yet I am having some troubles with my arm.
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jacee - OH great - there are more nodes??
Just as long as there aren't any external mammary nodes, course those might be easier to check..... Oh I better head off to work or I'm gonna get myself in trouble!! Have a good day you guys!!
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Looks like alot of the confusion is in referring to both (internal mammary nodes and intramammary nodes) as IM nodes. My surgeon referred to my internal mammary nodes as IM nodes. Who knows what is correct??
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Whatever they are, I just wanna keep'em!
No worries, sorry if I came off as cranky...rough start this morning...teenager overslept...3 YOU MUST DO THIS TODAY phone calls before 9am....Grrrrrrr.
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Well. I guess the best thing to do would be to ask the BS... perhaps everyone's anatomy is different and what I have and would need removed and what someone else has are different... And I do have my MRI DVD, so perhaps that would shed some light on this issue...
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Man if one thing is for sure with breast cancer there are a lot of decisions to make, a lot of things to learn and a lot of questions!
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Omaz, Tonlee, bdavis, lago, marjie, jacee, et al, I have been thinking of you all over the weekend, hoping yours was as good as mine was. Saw PT on Friday morning, started pool therapy and already feel more optimistic! Also saw the MO on Friday afternoon to address the continued problems that I think are related to the taxotere (although I also started tamoxifen just about the time I was beginning to recover from chemo #4, added additional pain and other meds about the same time, so who knows which is the culprit - more likely combination!). Anyway, had 2nd PT this am, still have better mood and have been out of bed more than half the day for the past 3 days in a row!!! I am SOOOO pleased!!!
I have been reading the posts about lymph nodes, treatment options, decisions.... it seems to never end because once you finish one phase of treatment, there always seems to be another step with more decisions required!! And because we are each different (different size tumor, grade, node involvement, response to therapy, genetics, SEs, life values) it makes these decisions more difficult because we each will have a different response. At the end of the day, we make them and don't look back doing the woulda, coulda, shoulda; being at peace with yourself is what really matters. I have made a couple of choices that my mother (who is an 18-year survivor!) would NOT have made, but I am very much at peace with them, just as she is with hers. And yet I try to use the same techniques for survival that she did: love, humor, determination. Please know that I appreciate the support you show for me and all others on this discussion board. Peace to you all today.
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n3ypb - So good to hear you are feeling more optimistic! I think I need to head to the pool as well, good idea.
And you are right, can't do the woulda, coulda, shoulda thing, it isn't helpful.
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I am having a horrible day..... Blue Cross and Blue Sheild have denied all claims made stating that it was a pre-existing condition..... In a nut shell anything related to Malignant Neoplasm Breasts they will not cover , no medication, no neulasta shot , no surgery, no nothin.... I truly think I have hit rock bottom. They are going back to all the Dr's and Surgeons and asking for there money back which than means I am reasonable for it all.... Please Note: I pay 480.00 per month to have insurance. I don't even know what to do at this point. HELP.
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Tracie I don't understand. When were you 1st diagnosed? Is this a new insurance plan? Was there a lapse of more than a month? Were you pre-approved? Tell me more. Maybe I can make some suggestions.
I've had my issues with both BC&BS of MA and now BC&BS or IL too. Initially BC&BS rejected my PS's bill for TE's (phase I of reconstruction). They also rejected the blood draw for the genetic testing although covered the genetic test. Now BC&BS of IL keeps rejecting the blood draw I get every 3 weeks for hormone levels (granted only $10 but this is BS). I get it resubmitted with the secondary code as the primary code and then they cover it. They could drive you crazy. Currently paying $700 month with a $1000 deductible in my state's high risk pool insurance. I'm 9 years older than you so my monthly premium would be higher no matter where we were.
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tracie - Oh No!! You need a lawyer or there must be laws for that. Can't be passed off as a pre-existing condition!! You need some expert advice. So sorry for this trouble.
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BTW under Obama's Health law that went into effect this fall if you switched to a new insurance through your employer or with a new employer and you had continuous coverage they can't reject coverage for "pre-existing conditions"
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