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  • Antigua
    Antigua Member Posts: 63
    edited March 2011

    On 3/2/2011 I had to cancel my CT planning appointment because I ate.  You see, I was due to get an IV contrast was supposed to be NPO 6 hrs prior to treatment. 

     I rescheduled my appointment for 3/3/2011, I asked for a later time, but they insisted I must come in at 10:00am.  It was a horrible day, I had to wait for 3 hours before I was seen and that was after I got upset reminding them I am diabetic and was becoming hypoglycemic.

    My veins are not very visible, which I explained to the CT team, and asked them to get someone good with IV insertion.  The first stick from the nurse I screamed, even though I am a nurse myself, the second stick I  started crying ..  They decided to cancel the contrast.

    I am claustrophobic, but did believe, because I had CT Scan before that my head would be beyond the donut. I tried 3 times but could not tolerate the feeling of being compressed.   When they started the CT Scan I had to ask them to remove me because they insisted my head must be directly under the donut, and I felt I was going to die.

    They finally called my RO and he gave me Benadryl IM and Ativan p.o.  In about 45 Min's I was able to complete the CT Scan. The RT gave me 2 tattoos. and said he will call me next wee.

    I then asked him to please let me see the Radiation Machine because if the procedure was anything like the CT Scan, I would have to have a mastectomy.

    He took me to see the radiation machine, and I will be able to tolerate it, because it will not en-cave my head.

    This was not a very good first experience about radiation.

  • msjag
    msjag Member Posts: 416
    edited March 2011

    GirlFriday:  Thanks, I found it, too funny!!!

    Well, first rad down!!  they were running 45 minutes behind though.  Hope that doesn't happen often! 

     My rad nurse said to buy a large size sports bra for support and to keep anything from rubbing underneath the breasts, then she talked about wearing a mens tshirt with a larger bra over it for support, you can tuck the tshirt under your breasts to keep it from rubbing, I also heard this advice from January rads, I guess only time will tell what we will need to wear, so hard to plan that.

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited March 2011

    Ok well 3 down, back at it next week.  I keep wanting to run out and buy camisoles or loose bras or something but I think I will wait and see how I react.  So many times thru surgery and chemo I have run out and bought what I thought I might need and either I needed something different or I just didn't use whatever it was at all.

    LOL ofcourse this time it will backfire on me...you just watch!

  • thegood5
    thegood5 Member Posts: 478
    edited March 2011

    I was the same way Marjie.  And I had a great group of friends who filled up 3 big baskets full of everything they thought I would need...snacks, pj's, books, chapstick, unscented lotions....didn't even use half of what they gave me yet...the scents of lotions never bothered me throughout my treatments so I kept on using my reg. stuff.  Hoping you breeze right thru and won't need to buy anything!

  • crlacey
    crlacey Member Posts: 31
    edited March 2011

    I too have considered buying some different clothing and cheap bras. But everything I bought before surgery was not what I actually could tolerate wearing, so I think I'll take the wait and see approach too.

    Yesterday was treatment #2 and I got my tattoos since I seemed to line up perfectly. They also mentioned that I could bring my daughter to see them and talk if she felt like she ever wanted to. (She's 7 and has been very interested in what's happening to me.)

  • libraylil
    libraylil Member Posts: 528
    edited March 2011

    I'm ready for Monday's dry run.  Treating myself to the afternoon off and not stressing about hurrying here and there.

    Friday a student brought me in a little bag of goodies and an aloe plant.  His mother (I had heard she was a BC survivor) had written me a little note to tell me her son said I was just like her (my hair).  She sent me a little bag with aquaphor, coupons from chic fil a, earthfare, etc.  She finished her treatment in Sept.  That was so sweet and made my day.  Just the thought.

    I love this group.  You are all so positive about rads.If anyone gets a full blown tattoo, we want to hear about it. I'm seriously considering it. I treated myself to black boots and wore them to work Friday.  Really lifted me up and made me feel very "fly". 

    Marjie  I'm thinking about getting a couple more of the 2 for 10.00 cheap sports bras at Walmart.  They are cotton and hook and eye in the front.  I've been sleeping in those and wearing since lumpectomy.  The one they sent me home from the hospital was like a medival device with scratch velcro,etc. libraylil

  • grannyjuju
    grannyjuju Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2011

    Hello everyone,

    I am a newbie here. Will be starting radiation treatments on

    march 14, which happens to be my anniversary. The simulation

    for me was a terrible experience. If I had some clothes on I would

    have run out of there. Lol. I am hoping the actual treatments

    will not be so bad. I was thinking of taking off a few weeks to deal

    with fatigue and other possible side effects. Did anyone else find it

    necessary to take off from work during radiation tratments? What sort

    of side effects and when did they start?

  • LovemyLife12
    LovemyLife12 Member Posts: 43
    edited March 2011

    Hi Guys-

    I am 8 down.  20 whole breast rads left and 7 boosts.  Feeling a little raw, but not to bothersome.

    Happy to have found this group.  Is anyone else concerned about cost.  I live in a very rural part of GA.  My hospital is of course out of network.  And just when we had met our out of pocket maximum, my husband's contract ended.  Although we are very grateful he go another position quickly, deductible/ out of pocket starts over.  Arrgh!  I know it could be much worse.  It is just that I am such a saver.  I hate spending money.  And I know these treatments are saving my life.  ,But my radiation planning session was $17,500.  and we are required to pay 40% up to $7,500.  Sorry for the rant.  Seems ridiculous!  Oh well.

    Just wanted tp add my two cents about undergarments.. I found some cotton camisoles at Sam's club.  Bought them two sizes larger than what I normally wear.  The shelf bra leaves extra soft cotton to tuck under the breast.  Also due to my daughters sensitive skin, I am starting to wash all our clothes in Dreft.  Softness makes a difference.  Also been using Miaderm. 

    Hope all of you have a blessed and happy weekend.. Chk

  • heavenschild
    heavenschild Member Posts: 212
    edited March 2011

    GirlFriday:  Went to the thrift store yesterday to buy some "Omar the Tentmaker" shirts. Found one that was silky and I was thinking that I could just wear a cami under it.  Also thought about getting some big cami's and wearing a jacket over them.  Really wish I could just stay home from work for six weeks! 

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited March 2011
    libralil - I am TOTALLY getting tattooed after all this is done!  I figure why the hell not Cool
  • Eloise
    Eloise Member Posts: 137
    edited March 2011

    julie47 -- It's really different for everyone.  If you feel that you'd like to take the time off and you can do that without danger to your job or finances, go for it.  Or can you work from home, or a reduced schedule -- half days, or three days a week?  My doctor had said before I started treatment that I could keep working if I wanted to, but almost as soon as I started treatment he'd say "I'm so glad you're taking the time off. I hate to see my patients getting so tired out." 

    I think the things to consider:

    -- Commuting.  Do you have to drive a long way?  That could be difficult if fatigue becomes a problem -- sleepy drivers are dangerous.  Is transit or carpooling an option?

    -- Clothing.  Not everyone has serious skin reactions, but most people have some, and once they start it's best to not wear a bra, or at least not wear a serious underwire kind of bra all day every day.  Is that a problem in your workplace?

    -- Schedule.  If you have the kind of job where your shift begins precisely at 8:00 AM and that means you have to walk in the door by 7:53, that can be hard when fatigue sets in.  If it's more of a "Hey, I'm running late but I'll be there in time for the 10:30 meeting" place, maybe not.  You need to build in time to apply cream a couple of times a day, too.  

    -- Colleagues.  I've only been working very part-time during my treatment, and my co-workers have all been very sympathetic, but it's really hard to get them to understand that my radiation appointment happens at an exact time and that means I have to leave half an hour beforehand. Whenever I was in the office on a day when I had rads, it seemed like my phone would ring just as I was heading out the door, I had someone following me to the elevator talking about something or other, then I'd get down to the garage and find someone had parked in front of me and I had to go get the attendant to move their car.... I always made it to rads on time, but it was stressy.  My supervisor scheduled a meeting she wanted me to attend at the same time as my treatment one day.  I pointed that out, and she said "Yes, I know, but I thought you could join us by phone."  Can you imagine being in the room with the techs saying "Okay, scoot your bottom up a bit...now lie still...I need a cm roll supe on my side..." while you were on speakerphone?

    Also, there is the annoyance factor of everyone in the office coming up to your desk and saying in a hushed voice "And how are you doing? I mean...how is IT going?  Well, you LOOK good! Hang in there!". 

    For me, side effects (fatigue and skin) became bothersome in the third week of rads.  I had my last treatment on Monday; my skin is much better already but I was told to expect it to get worse over the next two weeks.  Fatigue I was told would be worst in the four weeks after rads ended, and then get better -- it's hard to say because I got a terrible cold the day of my last treatment so I've been in bed with that anyway.

    Good luck! 

  • grannyjuju
    grannyjuju Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2011

    Thanks Eloise for such an informative reply. It is very helpful to hear the real story of women who

    have experienced these things first hand. My RO gave me a sheet of paper with a list of possible SE

    and did not include fatigue or burning. He really down played the whole SE thing with me. I even asked him to write me a note to be off from work during treatments and he refused. He insisted it was not necessary and would not do it. Well at my job there us no working part time or taking a day off here and there unless I took that time without pay. If I take off totally then I can use my short term disability.
    It's not that I mind working but I have used all my sick time to have surgery and now it's either all or nothing and the not knowing what to expect makes it difficult. My RO told me to just use my lunch hour everyday for 8 weeks. .
    WOW !!! Easy for him to say.





    Ok, so much for the RO and him NOT wanting to write
    the note. I went to my pcp and she was more than glad to
    do it for me. Also my surgeon did as well. Here is my
    dilema. . . I am feeling a little guilty about taking a complete
    leave from work. What do you ladies think???should I feel
    this way for taking off work before even knowing how it will
    effect me? Knowing that if I get SE there are no days left to
    take should the rads cause some issues? Ugh!!!





    Huggs to all.





  • GirlFriday
    GirlFriday Member Posts: 461
    edited March 2011

    To all with rads fashion issues:  I think layers is the key. Of course I also have five feet of snow in my front yard.  I'm only a 36C, but I have trouble going sans brazier, I just don't like it in public...of course on the way home, half the time I'm removing said brazier in the car.   The athletic tanks by Danskin have worked the best for me...they are stretchy with cotton mix and don't have a shelf, so I don't have to worry about the elastic.  My skin's always been sensitive, so I'm just hyper cautious.  My nipple is sore after one week...so cotton is good The fruit of the loom front hook have been the best...Does anyone else feel that it's odd that there aren't bra's and clothing out there for these issues...I mean marketed as such.  I've seen enough of pink everything to make me puke, why aren't there great bras for us?

    I had a huge issue finding the right lotions....I was told no lanolin, no oil. They gave me a coupon for Aquaphor, which has lanolin alcohol...I mentioned it to the techs, and they had no idea what to recommend...I see my RO every Monday so I'll bring it up then.  A lot of lotions in the US have parabens, which have been outlawed in Europe...something about synthetic estrogen properties or something like that....I'm going to check Neutrogena and see if that wouldn't be the best lotion...I use it on my hands most winters, and love it...I think my nipple would respond favoritely!  I bought Fruit of the Earth Aloe...that I use after rads and it doesn't have parabens either.  I also, bought an aloe supplement...it's supposed to be ingested, and it's kind of stinky, but when I'm at home I've been putting that on every hour or so...my breast is like a baby's bottom!  HA!

    Would love to by Miaderm, but $28 for 4 oz is not  in this unemployed gal's budget!

  • GirlFriday
    GirlFriday Member Posts: 461
    edited March 2011

    julie47:  Do what's right for you.  This is your cancer, and your treatment.  Any one that judges you is really communicating more about themselves than you...If that doesn't make sense, how about...It's all about you, don't give a flying flip what anyone else thinks!  BC is not a sinus infection.  It is a life long battle.  Take care of yourself because no one will do it for you.  I think it's hard even in our enlightened society to not feel guilty about taking care of ourselves.  If you take the time, use it as a time for you to bring a complete balance to your life.  Diet, exercise, spiritual development. Do something creative to express this time in your life.  Say this as your mantra: "It's all about me. It's all about me!"  This is your time...don't let guilt ruin your healing!

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited March 2011

    GirlFriday - my rads onc recommended Glaxal cream.  I get it at Costco.  I haven't really used it for my boob yet, but my face really dried out and got all itchy and it was the only thing that I could put on it without irritation.  He said if my skin starts to get sore/burnt from rads I should use Aloe only (as pure as possible) and if I end up with any breaks in the skin then he would prescribe something.  

    See if you can find the Glaxal - I have fairly sensitive skin and I have to say I am impressed with it. 

  • Eloise
    Eloise Member Posts: 137
    edited March 2011

    As a recovering workaholic, I felt weird about the time-off too, and then I said to myself "If you're not going to take sick leave when you have cancer, when are you going to take it?" 

  • nred2002
    nred2002 Member Posts: 59
    edited March 2011

    My radiation team gave me Miaderm, and told me to start using it three times a day, immediately.  I have had 8 treatments so far, and no issues, though I know it is early days yet.  The clinic is 2 miles from our house and I am walking there and back, weather permitting.  I hope exercise fends off the fatigue later.  

  • Eloise
    Eloise Member Posts: 137
    edited March 2011

    GF, my RO recommended Cetaphil, which is probably much the same as Neutrogena...get the cream that comes in the tubs, the lotion isn't thick enough.  I also used some health-food-store diaper rash ointment with calendula and aloe which are two of the three major components of Miaderm. I did finally break down and buy two tubes of Miaderm and it was great, but I think applying a lot of whatever you use several times a day is the most important factor. 

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited March 2011

    julie47 - Don't feel guilty about anything!! Who knows how you will react to rads - I have been told that some really suffer from fatigue as well as the skin problems.  I have been off since my surgery in August but then I had to have chemo too so I'm still recovering from that.  I am getting restless though so that must mean I am feeling better!

  • Antigua
    Antigua Member Posts: 63
    edited March 2011

    Julie47 - I feel your pain, I had a similar experience, but we wre strong women who will come through with flying colors.

  • shelbytroy12
    shelbytroy12 Member Posts: 26
    edited March 2011

    I agree.  I bought a boatload of stuff for chemo - spent a bunch of money and didn't use most of it.  I packed this huge chemo bag for the first infusion and after that all I took was a couple of magazines or a book plus a family member - that was all I needed!  I think I will wait to see how I react too to the radiation.

  • grannyjuju
    grannyjuju Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2011

    I am feeling much better already, thanks ladies for your words of wisdom. It's nice knowing your not alone through all of this. . . (sigh)!

  • Angelice
    Angelice Member Posts: 1,739
    edited March 2011

    hello ladies  i    also am starting rads on the 23 of march, i have 33 sessions . i had my operation in July 2010 and second operation for safer margin in august, then chemo 16 doses in September,and now rads, still have not gone back to work have no intentions to till I'm over all treatments , i had hard time on chemo in  out hospital pneumonia ,Cool

  • GirlFriday
    GirlFriday Member Posts: 461
    edited March 2011

    Hi Angelice!  Love your Chakra pic!  I just got this awesome CD that's called Vocal Toning The Chakras. I've meditated before in a group, but this was my first chakra attempt on my own.  I ended up nauseous and with a headache...I know it was the meditation, I could feel the energy flow for sure. Now I'm intimidated to try it again, because I just can't afford the loss of the day.  Any advice you can give me would be wonderful!

    I've finished 5/33 rads.  I don't think it's been bad so far, just tenderness.  I didn't have chemo, but from what I hear, rads is nothing compared to it.  Sounds like you've had enough misery so you should be able to just sail through rads!

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited March 2011

    I was waiting to hear from my surgeon's office as they were scheduling my first radiation visit and also my first oncologist visit. I finally got one of the appts and called the place. They are not "in network" with my insurance. Then I called the oncologist- same thing.  So now I have to find two others who will take United Healthcare.

    Do you guys think it is better to talk to an oncologist first (rather than the radiation oncologist?) I want to weigh all the pros and cons before undergoing radiation and/or taking any medications. I know nothing about the radiation procedures; i.e. what are boosts? Why do you need CT scans? What other scans do they do before you start?

    Thanks in advance for any info.

  • GirlFriday
    GirlFriday Member Posts: 461
    edited March 2011

    srbcSURVIVOR:  In my experience they two Onc's work competely separately. My appt with my MO, was a waste of time.  I won't see her until May now, for my "survivorship packet" or my 5 year treatment plan.  My RO was awesome.  She had much more information to share with me. From my understanding a lumpectomy and rads go hand in hand.  They don't usually do an LX without rads.  I had a coordinating nurse at the surgeon's office, and she worked with me up until I started rads.  Is there someone that coordinates within the offices?  I find the BC nurses are better than the Docs.  Mine tracked down any answer she couldn't provide me.

  • Antigua
    Antigua Member Posts: 63
    edited March 2011

    Angelice - welcome to the board, I also explained to my RO that I will not return to work until my RT is completed, since I work 12hr shifts at night, he fully agreed, because he explained that fatigue is part of the side effect of RT.

     Welcome again to our club.

  • libraylil
    libraylil Member Posts: 528
    edited March 2011

    Has anyone used aloe right from the aloe plant?  libraylil

  • msjag
    msjag Member Posts: 416
    edited March 2011

    Libraylil,...my friend gave me an aloe plant, onc nurse said it was alright to use, I have only had one treatment so far, did use some yesterday. I am also using aquafor.  Sorry I can't be of more help. 

  • libraylil
    libraylil Member Posts: 528
    edited March 2011

    Ms Jag  Good to know.  I'll ask the ro nurse when I have my patient ed u ca tion tomorrow.  Real deal on Tuesday.  I noticed they have lubriderm in the changing room so It will be interesting to see what they recommend. Hope the aloe is aok, I have two huge plants. libray lil

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