lymph node transfer surgery...anyone had it?
I have been reading about this new surgery, and wondered if anyone out there has had it? It does not sound main-stream yet, but I now it has been performed in New Orleans and in Los Angeles. It can be done in conjunction with a DIEP as well....
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Liz, I bumped up some older threads on Lymph Node Transfer that you might find helpful. It is an area of great interest but still very experimental and no study data available yet on long term effects or who is best candidate for this type of surgery.
Linda
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Hi mamayav
I've been trying to pm you about this topic - seems I can only reply to ones people send me and not initiate one (?).
Please can you pm me?
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I have had the lymph node transfer in New Orleans in May 09 and I have experienced a significant reduction in the amount of fluid in my forearm and a reduction (smaller than forearm) in my hand. On a good day, my hand just looks slightly swollen and my arm looks completely normal. On a bad day, my hand is more swollen but my arm still looks completely normal. I just got back from a trip where I kayaked for several hours with just a hand compression garment on and had no adverse fluid build up. I flew home the next day and completely forgot to wear any compression garment. I was shocked that I had no change in my hand or arm! I am very happy with the results of my surgery and especially the doctor who did the surgery.
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ntresler, I'm considering this surgery when I have a DIEP. I have bilat. arm and trunk LE and it is a real problem. I am so tired of the constant soreness and discomfort! Did the transplant decrease any pain and discomfort you were experiencing? Do you still need to have LE massage/MLD? Who did your surgery? Any swelling or problems with the donor site? I'm very excited at the possibility of some relief from LE. And I'm pleased that it has helped you as well! Please keep us posted on your progress! Katiejane
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ntresler
Would love to hear more about this.
And can you also pm me?
Thanks
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Hi ladies, do they take nodes from your groin/upper leg area? I'm so afraid of developing lymphedema in yet another part of my body (already in both arms and both sides of back)....
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Meggy, yes, they harvest lymph nodes in that area. There's some very recent research in the UK (Stanton) that seems to indicate that those of us who develop lymphedema following bc surgery have a general inadequacy in our lymph systems -- they're already operating very near capacity when the trauma of surgery takes place, and that tips the balance. Others have more leeway in the capacity of their lymph system, so perhaps they're more likely to remain free of this condition. More research is necessary to substantiate this correlation, and there's currently no easy way to determine which is which before treatment, either. But there is a real basis for concern about developing lymphedema in legs or genitals with further trauma to the lymph system. I understand Dr. Massey in NOLA is conducting a study of her node transplant surgery, but I don't know whether it covers this possibility or whether it's only concerned with the outcome in terms of the affected arm. I also haven't heard how long the study will look at patients, and lymphedema can develop months or years out.
So...more research would be especially helpful for this question, but at the moment we don't have any real answers.
Be well!
Binney -
I now know of 3 people who have had this surgery -- one had it with Dr. Massey on the same day I had my reconstruction in NOLA, so I actually know her and have spoken to her since. She has had extremely good results and is very happy. She is now 3 months out, so still early on. My doc in NOLA (Dr. S) told me that they do lymphoscintography prior to the surgery - not only to map out the best areas to take nodes from, but also to see if you still have drainage in the affected side that is working - if that is the case they won't do the surgery but will have you go for more lymphedema therapy to improve that drainage. He also told me they take a very small bed - between 3 to 5 nodes and use the mapping to decide the best area. Given all of this and as much as I want my arm to be more normal, I am still holding back for the same reason that has been given: I still worry about risk of a lower extremity lymphedema. So... for now I carry on doing the usual massage, wrapping, etc... but there may come a day when I would be willing to go under the knife. It is just not today!
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I'm thinking about doing this options with a scar revision. From the little I know they only take a couple of lymp nodes. We have many many lymph nodes through out our bodies. It sons doable. NJ
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Definitely something I could consider in the future.
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Well girls, have any more of you decided to do this lymph node transfer??? Or those of you that have already done it, how is the recovery going? Has it really made a difference for you and have you experienced any additional swelling due to the harvesting of the nodes.
Thanks, Katiejane
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I met with Dr. Massey in New Orleans for a consult for DIEP as well as information about the transfer surgery. I am just now a stage 1 lymphedema case and will have my first PT wrapping and decongesting therapies starting Monday. Dr. Massey said that I was not yet a candidate...I think that it has to be pretty bad for a period of time before it is done...that was the impression that I got. I have hope that clearing out some of my intense radiated scar tissue during DIEP may improve my lymph flow...we will see. I am scheduled for stage 1 of DIEP on May 27th with Drs. Massey and Sullivan.
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oh... Nowords... Dr. Sullivan was my primary surgeon... He is wonderful! Good luck to you!
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I'm considering doing it this Spring-- would love to hear from anyone that has had it.
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I had lymph node transfer in March 2010. I was wondering if you still wrap every night and do you wear a sleeve every day. I wish I could find a group of ladies on this site that had it done to find out what little or unique things they do to keep the drainage going. I also would like to know if they are one of the lucky ones that no longer have to bother with garments except during exercise.
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Irishabq, can you tell me who did your surgery? I've talked to different surgeons and they have such different protocols. Dr. Sullivan said I'd never have to wrap or wear a sleeve again. Dr. Massey's nurse said that they ask you to wear compression for two years. My primary reason for wanting this surgery is so that I would NOT have to wear a sleeve excersising, or wrap at night. I'd love to hear what you were told, why, etc. thanks.
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I had Dr. sullivan and I was left with the impression that I would not have to wear a sleeve or wrap. After the 5 week protocal of LMD I went without wearing anything for 5 months. Then I think I must have gotten an infection but felt well. My Onc noticed my elbow was larger than the other. I didn't really notice it but my right bicept had been hurting and I started to wrap before my Onc said anything. I still can't get it back to previous size above the elbow. And I do have fat and cording above the arm pit.
I'm glad I did it but my expectations were very high. I had heard from one of Dr. Massey 's patients that you still have to wrap and use shoulder strap sleeve. I also heard that about the 2 year period.
That's why I would like to hear from others.
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I'm considering having an autologous lymph node transfer (along with microsurgical free flap breast reconstruction). I'm curious to hear from others who may have had the procedure. I sure appreciate this forum/topic.
I developed lymphedema in my right arm about two years after radiation. I had a bilateral mastectomy w/ reconstruction (silicone implants) and axillary lymph node dissection followed by chemo and then radiation. About two years after radiation, I developed lymphedema in my right (cancer side/irradiated) arm. It presents itself mainly in my right thumb/forefinger. I'm based in New York.
Here is a NYTimes article, which talks about the procedure:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/health/21lymph.html
Here is a surgeon's perspective:
http://breastreconstructionnetwork.com/what-are-my-options-if-i-develop-lymphedema/
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