SLND or ALND

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1Lbick
1Lbick Member Posts: 11
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Hey Ladies,

I am scheduled to have surgery in April.  A mastectomy & reconstruction along with SLND.  Has anyone out there refused the SLND or ALND procedure?  I am really struggling with this decision.

Thanks!!

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  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited February 2011

    1Lbick, with the recent JAMA article, that showed no survival benefit of full ALND vs. SNB if women had T1 or T2 tumors (up to 5 cm) and no palpable lymph nodes, women can have a discussion with their surgeon about limiting axillary surgery to SNB.

    Kira

    Here is a link to the abstract: 

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21304082

    Axillary dissection vs no axillary dissection in women with invasive breast cancer and sentinel node metastasis: a randomized clinical trial.

    Giuliano AE, Hunt KK, Ballman KV, Beitsch PD, Whitworth PW, Blumencranz PW, Leitch AM, Saha S, McCall LM, Morrow M.

    John Wayne Cancer Institute at Saint John's Health Center, 2200 Santa Monica Blvd, Santa Monica, CA 90404, USA. giulianoa@jwci.org

    Comment in:

    * JAMA. 2011 Feb 9;305(6):606-7.

    Abstract

    CONTEXT: Sentinel lymph node dissection (SLND) accurately identifies nodal metastasis of early breast cancer, but it is not clear whether further nodal dissection affects survival.

    OBJECTIVE: To determine the effects of complete axillary lymph node dissection (ALND) on survival of patients with sentinel lymph node (SLN) metastasis of breast cancer.

    DESIGN, SETTING, AND PATIENTS: The American College of Surgeons Oncology Group Z0011 trial, a phase 3 noninferiority trial conducted at 115 sites and enrolling patients from May 1999 to December 2004. Patients were women with clinical T1-T2 invasive breast cancer, no palpable adenopathy, and 1 to 2 SLNs containing metastases identified by frozen section, touch preparation, or hematoxylin-eosin staining on permanent section. Targeted enrollment was 1900 women with final analysis after 500 deaths, but the trial closed early because mortality rate was lower than expected.

    INTERVENTIONS: All patients underwent lumpectomy and tangential whole-breast irradiation. Those with SLN metastases identified by SLND were randomized to undergo ALND or no further axillary treatment. Those randomized to ALND underwent dissection of 10 or more nodes. Systemic therapy was at the discretion of the treating physician.

    MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Overall survival was the primary end point, with a noninferiority margin of a 1-sided hazard ratio of less than 1.3 indicating that SLND alone is noninferior to ALND. Disease-free survival was a secondary end point.

    RESULTS: Clinical and tumor characteristics were similar between 445 patients randomized to ALND and 446 randomized to SLND alone. However, the median number of nodes removed was 17 with ALND and 2 with SLND alone. At a median follow-up of 6.3 years (last follow-up, March 4, 2010), 5-year overall survival was 91.8% (95% confidence interval [CI], 89.1%-94.5%) with ALND and 92.5% (95% CI, 90.0%-95.1%) with SLND alone; 5-year disease-free survival was 82.2% (95% CI, 78.3%-86.3%) with ALND and 83.9% (95% CI, 80.2%-87.9%) with SLND alone. The hazard ratio for treatment-related overall survival was 0.79 (90% CI, 0.56-1.11) without adjustment and 0.87 (90% CI, 0.62-1.23) after adjusting for age and adjuvant therapy.

    CONCLUSION: Among patients with limited SLN metastatic breast cancer treated with breast conservation and systemic therapy, the use of SLND alone compared with ALND did not result in inferior survival.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2011

    My lymphedema MD made reference to that article when I saw him on Monday. He found the research promising but didn't feel it was time to change the standard care. He said people jump to quickly when a new study is out. There were some issues with the study.

    I'm not saying you should or shouldn't just take a close look at the study. In my case it wouldn't have made a difference since my tumor was 5.5cm. As Kira says, discuss with your doctor.

  • 1Lbick
    1Lbick Member Posts: 11
    edited February 2011

    Thanks for the replies.   I did read the NY Times article and the article on the clinical trial.  All very interesting but it excludes me because of my tumor size.  I did have  a healthy discussion with my surgeon about the need for ALND in my case.  The problem I am struggling with is that I am having neoadjuvant chemo now, then surgery followed by radiation.  Taking the nodes out will not change my treatments whether they are positive or negative.  I had only one node involved prior to chemo that they could find.  I asked for another MRI before surgery, which is not a standard procedure where I am getting treated.  What if the node activity that was there is gone?  I would be really bitter if i had nodes removed and they can back negative.  

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited February 2011

    1Lbick, tough questions--the study was limited to women who didn't get neo-adjuvant chemo.

    It's really hard to be on the cusp of change, and the answers, except for the women who met the study protocols aren't really known.

    I think you can discuss it with your doctors and express your concerns and see what they think, and hopefully come up with a plan that you're comfortable with.

    Good luck--it's not easy to keep up with a moving target, especially when the stakes are so high.

    Kira

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2011

    1Lbick I am one of those women who had level I nodes (10 on the left) removed due to tumor size and no invasion. I also have mild LE in this arm now too.

    Am I upset. No. Why because although my BS didn't see anything on the MRI or feel anything in my nodes typically with a tumor my size there is an 80% chance of invasion, micro or otherwise.

    Sure he could have done a SNB but we wouldn't know about micromets till when the biopsy came back. If it did come back positive then I would have to go under again… going under has serious risks too. Not sure after just doing a BMX I would be ready to go back under so soon either.

    Bottom line is when the path came back negative in my nodes for mets I was happy. Actually my BS' nurse was so excited when she told me. Everyone thought for sure I was going to have micromets.  Even with the LE I still feel this was the right thing to do. I was just one of those 20% ones without mets to nodes.

  • 1Lbick
    1Lbick Member Posts: 11
    edited February 2011

    lago,

    Thanks, it is good to hear someone post positive things about  ALND.  Your experience gives me something more to consider.

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