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  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited February 2011

    I lived in Boston from Nov 2006 to Dec 2009, both before and after the state run system was in place. 

    The only difference with the state run system was that I just had to provide proof that I had health insurance (H&R Block did my taxes and signed off that they saw my health insurance card). 

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  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2011

    Hi robby

    When did you move from Alaska to Massachusetts?

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    Hey Robby/E .. how's the fishing going in Alaska?  Are you fishing for crabs .. it's crab season you know.

    Bren

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  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited February 2011

    Patmom, regarding your earlier post--I am in agreement with you that the health care system needs fixing. Why was it necessary to tackle the health insurance issues first??

    A public option would be one step forward, in my opinion. Our nation's not ready for universal care, unfortunattely. We LOVE our health insurance that will do anything we want it to for not so much out of our pockets. As long as I (meaning not necessarily me, but the generic "I") have a good plan, I'm not thinking about what "you" don't have...

    Yes. Fix health care!!! I'm in health care and could give a damn about insurance. It complicates everything we try to do. But it pays us.

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/02/senate.health.care/index.html?hpt=T2

    Senate Dems block GOP repeal of health care bill. 

    While the Republican-controlled House of Representatives previously succeeded in passing a bill to repeal the health care overhaul on Jan. 19, the Senate defeat Wednesday means a total repeal of the measure by Congress is dead for now.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/02/health-care-repeal-vote-f_n_817652.html

    WASHINGTON - A Republican drive to repeal the year-old health care law ended in party-line defeat in the Senate on Wednesday, leaving the Supreme Court to render a final, unpredictable verdict on an issue steeped in political and constitutional controversy. The vote was 47-51.

    Across the street from the Capitol, Democrats convened a Judiciary Committee hearing to solicit testimony on the constitutionality of the law they passed and Obama signed months ago."Many who argue the Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional are the same people who condemn judicial activism," said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., who presided. "They are pushing the Supreme Court to strike down this law because they could not defeat it in Congress."
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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/right_wing_reacts_to_egypt_protests_obama_is_in_le.php?ref=fpblg

    Right Wing Reacts To Egypt Protests: Obama Is In League With The Muslim Brotherhood

    For the right-wing, it's not much of a leap to go from "President Obama is a secret Muslim" to "President Obama is secretly in league with the Muslim Brotherhood." And in the wake of protests in Egypt, leap they did.

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited February 2011

    Did you see how some of those people live.  They give slum living a new definition. 

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    Thirty years of Mubarak has really taken its toll.  The people of Egypt want a democracy.

    Bren

    PS .. Morning Blue .. hope you're doing better today and you were able to get some sleep last night.

    love you ...

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    deleted because it posted twice.

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    When I was pregnant with my son 28 years ago, insurance didn't cover the pre-natal office visits(or maybe my doctor just didn't want the hassles of dealing with the insurance company), and they were $15 each.  Insurance did cover the hospital, labor and delivery costs. 

    By the time I was pregnant with my daughter 6 years later, the same insurance paid those office visits, but the visits (at a different doctor since we had moved) were more like $50. 

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  • Alpal
    Alpal Member Posts: 1,785
    edited February 2011

    When my first two chilren were born, I paid the hospital the daily difference between a semi-private and private room and that was it! This was 71 and 72. $7 a day was the difference and I stayed (get this) 4 days with the first and 5 days with the second. My son was born in 78 and it seems to me that everything had changed by then. Does that time period jive with your memories?

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    My son was born in 1976, and I was in the hospital for three days.  It was good to rest up before being sent home.

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  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited February 2011

    My son was born in 1988, and my insurance paid for me to be in the hospital for 3 days. Unknown to me, however, it did not pay for my son's hospital care, since he was a "well baby", so when we got home, I got stuck with an $1800 hospital bill for him. Made a lot of sense. Was I supposed to send my son home with my husband while I recuperated????

    Mary 

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited February 2011

    tupelo -- Maybe this will help answer your question:

    http://businesspractices.kaiserpapers.org/nixononkaiser.html

    "The less care we give them, the more money they (Kaiser's HMO) make".  Nixon thought that was a fine idea.

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    Doesn't surprise me about Nixon or Kaiser.  Health care is a for profit business in the U.S.  Every aspect of it including insurance companies, hospitals, doctors, drug companies ... everyone gets a piece of the pie.

    Bren

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    I had great experiences being in the hospital when I had my girls.  The first one was born in 1969, the year we went to the moon.  I remember (and I was six months preg) lying on the floor, trying to stay awake so my baby could "hear" history made.  I fell asleep, but she still got to "hear."  Anyway, I stayed in the hospital for three days...with second one born in 1971 I BEGGED to stay and extra day..4 days...because I KNEW what I was getting myself into and when the third came onle in 1973 (17 months after the second) I sat at home in the rocker, looked at the children and cried.  I thought...how in the world am I going to take care of three babies?  However, when the third one was born we were having a horrible snow and ice storm and the electricity was off some of the time...LOL

    We paid our ob/gyn $300 for visits.  I really can't remember if insurance paid anything to him.  Of course they paid for the semi-private room.

    As far as "well-baby" checkups...the insurance didn't pay for those nor did they pay for shots.  I can remember with my first child paying only $5.00 for a visit unless she had shots are a strep test.  Of course office visits went up, but certainly not like they are today.  Hospital procedures were paid for by the insurance company...I think we paid 10%. 

    Geez, that was a looooonnnggg time ago.

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    I don't understand the comment about buying more art.  Most people are living check to check. 

    Yes .. it's amazing that the US can make a business out of the suffering and illness of others. 

    Bren

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  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited February 2011

    Bren:  Art can be an investment for many people so it makes sense they would do it when they are making more money.  I can't see the "poor" having extra money to purchase art. 

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  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited February 2011

    ljh58 -- Are you also proud that there are people getting shabby or no treatment in the US?  But then, who cares about them, as long as you and your family are OK. 

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited February 2011

    That was a truly heartless comment.  Yep that's what makes America so great.

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    Glad the doctors and insurance agents can afford to buy art .. cause the little people sure can't afford it.

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  • covertanjou
    covertanjou Member Posts: 569
    edited February 2011

    Wow.  Just wow.  Maybe you should learn about the difference between want and need.

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  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2011

    Breast cancer treaments were never something I wanted but I sure as heck needed them. People who are sick need health care. If all my needs are met then I can go on to things I want. I probably won't buy any art though. 

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  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited February 2011

    Pity the poor part time waitress who doesn't get health insurance but gets breast cancer. At least she has a job.

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  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited February 2011
    Huh.  Pretty cold lj.  Some countries think a society is more civilized when health care is considered a basic right, not a commodity only for those that can afford it. 
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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited February 2011

    But will she ever make enough in wages and tips to actually pay for her tx?  And how long will she be able to keep her job?  Surgery, chemo, rads sure take up a lot of one's work time.

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  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited February 2011

    I am speechless.

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  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited February 2011

    Tough luck to her some would think.  She gets to die.  Too bad, so sad. 

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  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited February 2011

    Please tell me that type of thinking is the "American Way".  Very sad.

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    The United States in not perfect, but as far as I am concerned, it is the best country in the world and that is why I choose to live here.  You don't and that's just fine.  Please don't insult anyone else's country or nationality unless you would be willing to sit quietly by while someone from this country insults yours.

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