L-Carnitine

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Hi all, I am wondering if anyone has used L-Carnitine??

I have seen it in research for liver issues

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited January 2011

    Hi, Lisa ~ I've heard of it, but don't know enough to respond, so thought I'd just bump your thread to see if someone else will.   Deanna

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited January 2011

    My NP had me take L-carnitine during chemo and herceptin treatments along with a bunch of other supplements. I cannot remember the reasoning behind it (and my paperwork is at home) However I had minimal SE's during treatments and my labs were always within normal limits (except WBC but I had Neulesta for that).    I'll pull the paperwork when I get home and let you know the reasoning...

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited January 2011

    thanks, I just read a report that shows it is good for liver problems

    and works  synergistically with Co-Q10

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited January 2011

    Here is what I read

    From The American Journal of Gastroenterology
    L-Carnitine Supplementation to Diet: A New Tool in Treatment of Nonalcoholic Steatohepatitis-A Randomized and Controlled Clinical Trial

    Mariano Malaguarnera AP; Maria Pia Gargante MD; Cristina Russo MD; Tijana Antic MD; Marco Vacante MD; Michele Malaguarnera MD; Teresio Avitabile; Giovanni Li Volti AP; Fabio Galvano AP

    Posted: 01/17/2011; Updated: 01/16/2011; The American Journal of Gastroenterology © 2010
    Abstract and Introduction
    Abstract

    Objectives: Nonalcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH) is a known metabolic disorder of the liver. No treatment has been conclusively shown to improve NASH or prevent disease progression. The function of L-carnitine to modulate lipid profile, glucose metabolism, oxidative stress, and inflammatory responses has been shown. The aim of this study was to evaluate the effects of L-carnitine's supplementation on regression of NASH.
    Methods: In patients with NASH and control subjects, we randomly dispensed one 1-g L-carnitine tablet after breakfast plus diet and one 1 g tablet after dinner plus diet for 24 weeks or diet alone at the same dosage and regimen. We evaluated liver enzymes, lipid profile, fasting plasma glucose, C-reactive protein (CRP), tumor necrosis factor (TNF)-a, homeostasis model assessment (HOMA)-IR, body mass index, and histological scores.
    Results: At the end of the study, L-carnitine-treated patients showed significant improvements in the following parameters: aspartate aminotransferase (P=0.000), alanine aminotransferase (ALT) (P=0.000), ?-glutamyl-transpeptidase (?-GT) (P=0.000), total cholesterol (P=0.000), low-density lipoprotein (LDL) (P=0.000), high-density lipoprotein (HDL) (P=0.000), triglycerides (P=0.000), glucose (P=0.000), HOMA-IR (P=0.000), CRP (P=0.000), TNF-a (P=0.000), and histological scores (P=0.000).
    Conclusions: L-carnitine supplementation to diet is useful for reducing TNF-a and CRP, and for improving liver function, glucose plasma level, lipid profile, HOMA-IR, and histological manifestations of NASH.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited January 2011

    I have been taking Acetyl-L-Carnitine 500mg for nueropathy after my 3 tx of chemo. Worked well for me. I have some numbness in my left heel and that's it. Not sure it's the same thing.

    For preventing the onset of CIPN*, the committee recommended further clinical testing of intravenous calcium and magnesium, which reduced CIPN symptoms by approximately half compared with a placebo in one trial involving patients receiving oxaliplatin; a peptide called glutathione, which is thought to bind to heavy metals and has shown promise in small trials in patients who are treated with platinum chemotherapies; acetyl-L-carnitine, a substance that was effective in animal models and in patients with diabetes and HIV; and the antioxidant alpha-lipoic acid. 

    * Chemotherapy-induced Peripheral Neuropathy

    source: http://www.cancer.gov/aboutnci/ncicancerbulletin/archive/2010/022310/page6 

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited January 2011

    lago, that is good to hear. I take Lyrica for my neuropathy but I had

    paraneoplastic syndrome as a result of the breast cancer tumor and

    some of the neuropathy stayed with me...

  • LizM
    LizM Member Posts: 963
    edited February 2011

    I just started taking alpha lapoic acid 100 mg due to fluctuating LFT's probably due to Femara/Fosomax and other meds.  I would be interested to find out more about L-Carnitine also.  I am staying away from Milk Thistle as I have read it has estrogenic properties but am trying SAM-e but so far can only take 200 mg because I get tingling/nerve pain with over 200 mg which makes me think I need to take more vitamin b12.  Lisa, please let me know if you find out more about it. 

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited February 2011

    Liz, I just started taking it Sunday...waiting to hear also

  • LizM
    LizM Member Posts: 963
    edited February 2011

    Hi Lisa,

     Are you taking it for the liver or for neuropathy?  Have you tried SAM-e or Alpha Lipoic acid, they are also suppose to be good for the liver. 

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited February 2011

    Liz

    I saw that article above in Medscape.com so wanted to follow up

    on it...my liver problems started as NASH after my miasma

    of breast cancer chemo ( CMF) ( methothrexate can be

    very toxic to the liver), tamoxifen, arimdex and

    vicodine for the bone pain from neupogen..then it went

    to CASH then cirrhosis...lucky me..my doctors tell me it will

    not ever get better, the goal is not to have it get worse.

    I also have neuropathy, but the Lyrica really really helps me with that

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited February 2011

    I found this list today

    at  http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/735888?src=mp&spon=20

    able 2. Medications and Therapies Associated With NAFLD

    Coralgil
    Perhexilene maleate
    Amiodarone
    Thiazolidinediones (glitazones)
    Total parenteral nutrition
    Chloroquine
    Tamoxifen
    Glucocorticoids
    Calcium channel blockers
    Estrogens
    Diethystilbestrol
    Methotrexate
    Thioridazine
    Lamivudine
    Valproic acid
    Tetracyclines
  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited February 2011

    I saw this today on Medscape.com


    Table 2. Medications and Therapies Associated With NAFLD
    Coralgil
    Perhexilene maleate
    Amiodarone
    Thiazolidinediones (glitazones)
    Total parenteral nutrition
    Chloroquine
    Tamoxifen
    Glucocorticoids
    Calcium channel blockers
    Estrogens
    Diethystilbestrol
    Methotrexate
    Thioridazine
    Lamivudine
    Valproic acid
    Tetracyclines

  • MiracleMileM
    MiracleMileM Member Posts: 103
    edited February 2011

    I take 500 mg. of L-Carnitine and 200 mg. alpha lipoic a day on an empty stomach - somewhere I read that both of those would be absorbed better if taken on an empty stomach.  I had been taking the two of these since before my stage IV diagnosis in 12/07 for protecting brain function.  I never had chemobrain with my TCH and maybe the two supplements helped with that.

     In addition I take 1-200 mg of coenzyme CQ10 with fish oil.  I look to the L-Carnitine and the CQ10 to maintain heart function so I can continue herceptin.  There has been no reduction whatsoever in my ejection fraction over the past 3 plus years.  I attribute my NED status in large part to the Herceptin and do not want anything to stop the herceptin as long as it is working.    Here are some links to info on L-Carnitine plus alpha lipoic and/or CQ10 on brain and heart functioning.

    http://www.heartmdinstitute.com/files/Metabolic%20Cardiology%20Part%202(3).pdf

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnitine

    http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPdf/CARNLIPOSUPP.pdf

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18491985

    http://mcb.berkeley.edu/index.php?option=com_mcbfaculty&name=amesb

    http://www.nootropics.com/acetylcarnitine/rejuvenation.html

    http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/congestive_heart_failure_01.htm

    http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303221834

    http://www.coenzymeq10.com.au/page/summary_of_research.html

    http://www.heartmdinstitute.com/files/Metabolic%20Cardiology%20Part%202(3).pdf

    Marilyn

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