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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2011

    Ha ha!!!! Oh, E, thanks for the laugh!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    Just when you thought the light bulbs were safe.......sigh

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8288982/Energy-saving-light-bulbs-could-trigger-breast-cancer.html

    Article that new "curly light bulbs" can cause breast cancer.  I was think of you gals in Canada where you have longer winter, more darkness.  This is an interesting read

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited February 2011

    You're welcome, Athena!

    How are you feeling tonight?  All ready for the Blizzard That Ate The East Third of the U.S.?

  • revkat
    revkat Member Posts: 763
    edited February 2011

    It's an interesting theory, but that's all it is at this point. He lost me when he said the eco-bulbs were more like daylight. They sure don't seem like it to me, but I admit to knowing nothing about the light color spectrum except that it exists. Anyway, here's the take home conclusion for those who don't want to read the whole thing:

    He emphasised that the study did not prove that using eco-friendly light bulbs late at night or overnight resulted in higher breast cancer rates than using filament bulbs, and that it remained an unproven theory.
    British cancer charities echoed that point. Jessica Harris, senior health information officer at Cancer Research UK, said: "As this study didn't investigate low energy ‘eco' light bulbs and there isn't any other evidence that they have an effect on breast cancer risk we can't draw any conclusions about the risk of breast cancer from low energy light bulbs. "Although it's far from settled, the evidence that light at night - from any source - could affect breast cancer risk is strengthening and the World Health Organisation classify shift working as a 'probable' cause of cancer." 

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited February 2011

    Shirley:  Mine was found when I was 65.  I was told my chances would have been much lower if it had been found earlier because it would have been too aggressive.  I'm sooooo happy to be old and I don't really know how old I am because I have no birth certificate.  So I "think" I was 65 when it was diagnosed.  My spirit is still 35 years old tho.  I feel we don't have to age in spirit only in our decrepit bodies and mine has held up pretty well all these years inspite of all my "near death" experiences.

    I agree with you that we can never really say we are cured until they find a way to cure us by making sure not "one" cell is left in our bodies.  But it's good that Barbara can have such a positive attitude and celebrate being cured.  "How we think is How we Are".  I think I will go pander on the streets and see if I can find some guy who wants to take an "old" lady on a great cruise!Wink  I want that chocolate dessert she gets on her cruise! Yummy!

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2011

    Barbara and Medigal

    Your positive attitude is amazing!

    I think we're set for the blizzard. I hate snow.

    Edited because I can't spell

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2011

    Barbara

    Happy Birthday, finally got to see your pictures. You and your guy look fantastic. it must have really been fun.

  • sunny210
    sunny210 Member Posts: 292
    edited February 2011

    BarbaraA - Happy Birthday and 

    Shirley - Another Amen to finding a cure.

    I'm so glad you both support eliminating the pre-existing condition problem.  How would you change the implementation? Requiring people to purchase insurance seems to have little support among conservatives. Do you ladies on the right (LOTR??!) agree with that notion? If so, what would you do to prevent people from buying insurance only when they are ill - leading to more rising costs and other problems.

    I'm looking for solutions, not arguments. I'm really interested in what you have to say.

    Sandy 

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2011

    Erica

    If you are worried about cfl bulbs, I am sure it won't be long before led bulbs will be available for home use. They are already in traffic lights and flashlights.

  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited February 2011

    Barbara-Happy Birthday. I love your cruise pictures! What a great way to celebrate!

    I totally get the "I don't have cancer anymore" celebration. My husband and I went to Disneyland(no kids with us-they're adults now) to celebrate the end of my cancer treatment. I choose to think of myself as cancer-free, not cured, but cancer-free.

    Mary 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    I would like to clear one thing up.  I too had/have a positive attitude.  I did not worry about the cancer coming back.  It would not help.  The only reason I had the CT scan and bone scan was because I was complaining AGAIN about my LE arm.  She said since I had nodes positive she wanted me to have a CT scan to make sure nothing was there.  I didn't want it or ask for it.  Actually, I didn't worry about it.  I received a message from her when we got home (takes a little over 2 hrs to drive to Duke) telling me to call her back.  Anyway she added the bone scan.  I still did not worry about it.  It seem to be stable for a couple of scans then the two new lesions about 3 months ago was found.  I still refuse to sit and worry about it.  If my brain goes to a "dark" place, I bring myself out of that thought.  It does not help to sit around worrying about this damned disease.

    Barbara, I proclaim that you ARE cancer free and it will NEVER return.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    sunny, I have no idea how to implement a reformed policy where pre-existing conditions can be covered.  But we must find some way.  I would like to hear more from both sides how we could do this.  Any one of us could lose our health care coverage. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    I was posting the link regarding the light bulbs because it seemed like all of you thought they were a good idea.  I did not do it to debate them .  The article  links melatonin to increased cancer risk.  I believe that has been studied  with the same result many times.

    So do you any links for the Supreme court comments regarding the election you made, m and E  earlier today.  I was just interested.  Don't have to make everything so competitive and nasty

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited February 2011

    Erica31

    Here is the information.  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html

    "The ruling, Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, No. 08-205, overruled two precedents: Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce, a 1990 decision that upheld restrictions on corporate spending to support or oppose political candidates, and McConnell v. Federal Election Commission, a 2003 decision that upheld the part of the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 that restricted campaign spending by corporations and unions."

    The SCOTUS basically gave the same rights to corporations that the individual voter has when it comes to contributions.  This means that Media Corporations can both report campaign news and contribute to the campaigns.  Corporations can contribute to the campaigns using stockholder money.  The ruling makes no provisions requiring corporations to report to stockholders on who is receiving political contribution.

    I think it is a bad ruling that is going to further corrupt the political process.

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited February 2011

    Pant, pant, pant.  I finally got caught up with the posts.  I'm sorry I missed all the kerfuffles -- it can be quite entertaining when the fur flies.

    AND, Barbara -- what beautiful photos, specifically, you looked beautiful in all your evening gowns. WOW!!  What a wonderful birthday and cruise you had!  I thought of you often as I watched the cruise ships head in and out of the Caymans, wondering where you were..

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited February 2011

    Thanks, KK. I thought about you, too, surrounded by hot cabana boys. Oh well, you still had a good time! Cool

    Sandy, it has been my opinion from the get go that the mandatory requirement to purchase insurance is unconstitutional. IMHO, the first place they needed to start with reform is TORT reform. If we had serious tort reform, doctor's malpractice rates would go down thus allowing them an income to live on while accepting LESS money in insurance reimbursement for services (and allow them to NOT order unnecessary defensive tests) while also driving insurance costs down. Seems pretty clear to me.

    Regarding those pesky light bulbs. As I said in an earlier post, I am hoarding my good old incandescent ones. Here's why:

    CLEANUP AND DISPOSAL OVERVIEW

    The most important steps to reduce exposure to mercury vapor from a broken bulb are:

    1. Before cleanup

       a. Have people and pets leave the room.

       b. Air out the room for 5-10 minutes by opening a window or door to the outdoor

       environment.

       c. Shut off the central forced air heating/air conditioning (H&AC) system, if you have one.

       d. Collect materials needed to clean up broken bulb.

    2. During cleanup

       a. Be thorough in collecting broken glass and visible powder.

       b. Place cleanup materials in a sealable container.

    3. After cleanup

       a. Promptly place all bulb debris and cleanup materials outdoors in a trash container or

       protected area until materials can be disposed of properly. Avoid leaving any bulb

       fragments or cleanup materials indoors.

       b. For several hours, continue to air out the room where the bulb was broken and leave the

       H&AC system shut off.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    Morning Barbara .. hope you had a wonderful birthday dinner last night.  I enjoyed all your pics .. you and hubby looked fantastic!  So glad you had a great time.

    Bren

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited February 2011

    Thanks, Bren. We did indeed have a lovely time. The trip was great and thanks for the compliment. I really relaxed for the first time in 8 months.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2011

    Morning, all. E and everyone else in.....tonnes of places. Hope the weather is not getting to much in your way! Shirley, I would never put you down as a health complainer. You are an example of how toughness and attitude have zero relationship to cancer progression.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    All you gals in the path of this storm .. please be careful!  We're expecting heavy rain today and snow later in the week.  It looks like the midwest is getting pounded!

    Bren

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited February 2011

    As for getting people to buy pre-existing insurance.... I think most people would buy insurance if they could afford it.  Too many companies still don't cover ALL employees and the people making barely minimum wage cannot afford to purchase health insurance.  Frankly, I think the gov needs to come up with a plan for people under age 65 and it would be based on their income and what they could afford.  We have to make sure they know if they don't purchase these plans (if they can afford them) they will have to resort to the more costly commercial plans if they get a disease later.  Something has to be done to encourage all people to get insured.  I think the gov had the right idea but went about it the wrong way and the courts are stopping it now.

     Young people never think they can get a terminal disease and are infalliable until they get sick!  We have to find a way to show them they are not infalliable and must get covered.  We also have to make sure we keep the pre-existing for those who have already been damned by a serious disease like bc or diabetes.  It infuriates me that instead of just "tweaking" the Bill the idiot Repubs are going to end up causing us to lose what good the Bill had in it.    All I can say is whenever this monster winter storm passes over all of us, we start drowning our politicians with more letters and phone calls about how we feel about what they are planning on doing with the Healthcare Bill.  Republicans need to know they are going to lose the votes they got recently over this!

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2011

    Very good points Medigal.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited February 2011

    For those who think mandatory insurance is unconstitutional: 

    "It turns out, the Founding Fathers would beg to disagree.

    In July of 1798, Congress passed - and President John Adams signed - "An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen." The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance.

    Keep in mind that the 5th Congress did not really need to struggle over the intentions of the drafters of the Constitutions in creating this Act as many of its members were the drafters of the Constitution.

    And when the Bill came to the desk of President John Adams for signature, I think it's safe to assume that the man in that chair had a pretty good grasp on what the framers had in mind."

    http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/01/17/congress-passes-socialized-medicine-and-mandates-health-insurance-in-1798/

    It turns out that the founders not only supported mandatory insurance, they also supported single payer system and government run hospitals.  I don't think the founders considered themselves acting against the constitution that they themselves wrote.

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2011

    welcome back Elizabeth. I hope your trip was fantastic.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    It is very different to impose a tax on the salaries of transient seamen who arrived in ports and were frequently left behind when their ships left port creating a burden for local residents  if the seaman was ill on arrival or became ill during his short stay in port, and requiring citizens to purchase a commodity.

    That law was more like requiring travelers to pay a tax, like a hotel or amusement tax, if there is a reasonable expectation that the local government would be required to provide additional services to the transient visitors that were far beyond the needs of the local population. 

    It was also similar to union dues...if you wish to work in a union shop, you are required to join the union and pay union dues for which you are entitled to specific benefits. 

    That is very different than saying that if you live here, you must buy this. 

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited February 2011

    PatMom -- Weren't those transient seamen Americans?  Was their home address a boat on the ocean blue, or did they have a home base on land, and families?

    It puzzles me that the GOP and the Tea Party are quick to reference the Constitution when the Constitution supports their views (and even purportedly carry a copy around in their back pockets or handbags).  But when it doesn't, hmmmmm, well, such Acts as the one for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen are considered immaterial and non-precedent setting.

    You wrote:   That law was more like requiring travelers to pay a tax, like a hotel or amusement tax, ... but, but, but, it wasn't called a tax.

    JMHO.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited February 2011

    PatMom, I don't think your argument states a case against notself's post.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    I must have missed something as well, as I didn't read it as a tax, but a mandate that those sailors had to purchase insurance.

    Bren

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited February 2011

    I always thought seamen belonged to Unions so why couldn't they be insured at good group rates through the Unions?  Just wondering.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011
    lindasa wrote:

    PatMom -- Weren't those transient seamen Americans?  Was their home address a boat on the ocean blue, or did they have a home base on land, and families?

    Actually many of them weren't.  They were from all over the world.  Many, many ill or injured seamen from many countries were left behind when their ships left port.  That is how a number of my family's ancestors arrived here.  They may have become Americans eventually, but they arrived from somewhere else. 

    ... but, but, but, it wasn't called a tax.

    It wasn't called insurance either.  It functioned like a wage tax no matter what they called it. 

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