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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    E .. I'm so glad you're back!  Sounds like you had a wonderful time in Yellowstone!

    hugs,

    Bren

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/26/news/economy/tea_party_budget/index.htm?hpt=Sbin

    I thought this was interesting.  Tea Party proposed budget cuts.

    "The numbers in their proposals are staggering. Paul wants to slash $500 billion in fiscal year 2011, which only has eight remaining months. Bachmann lists more than $400 billion in cuts.

    The proposals are not likely to go very far as legislation. But at a time when lawmakers on both sides of the aisle acknowledge the need for fiscal restraint, the Paul and Bachman proposals clearly stake out one extreme."

    Among Paul's proposals: gut the Department of Energy and the Department of Education and sharply curtail discretionary spending.

    The cuts:

    • legislative branch -- 23%
    • federal courts -- 32%
    • Agriculture Department -- 30%
    • Commerce Department -- 54%
    • Health and Human Services -- 26%
    • Homeland Security -- 43%
    • Interior Department -- 78%

    The legislation also lists programs for elimination. How about ... the Affordable Housing Program, the Commission on Fine Arts, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the National Endowment for the Arts, the National Endowment for the Humanities and the State Justice Institute.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    I saw Rand Paul last night on CNN and his budget cuts would put 100,000 people out of work. His assumption was that the private sector would absorb them.  I wonder how he thinks that would be possible with unemployment at 9.4%.

    He also believes we shut cut all foreign aid across the board.

    Why not cut defense spending.  Defense cuts weren't in his proposal.

    Bren

  • IronJawedBCAngel
    IronJawedBCAngel Member Posts: 470
    edited January 2011

    I posted the link to Rand Paul's proposed cuts yesterday, but I haven't taken the time to read through Bachman's. Rand also wants to close the Department for Indian Affairs.  We think all of the people he gets thrown out of public housing should set up camp on his front yard.

    Rand Paul, yet another embarrassment for Kentucky.

  • covertanjou
    covertanjou Member Posts: 569
    edited January 2011

    There have been many times where the govt has had to step in to protect its citizens.  Many of us remember when lead was in the gasoline we used for our cars.  They have been banned since 1996 in the US.  Are we not better off with the lead removed?  

    As for not wanting the govt to control your life, it is ironic that most tpers have a major problem with lightbulbs but have no problem with the govt getting involved in people's personal lives.  I don't see a problem with the govt telling me I should/have to switch light bulb, but I do have a problem with them pushing through "Intelligent design", trying to ban birth control, abortions, and telling gay people that they cannot marry or serve in the military.

    So it seems you and other right-wingers don't mind govt intervention as long as it pushes your agenda. 

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    He also wants to get rid of the Making Home Affordable program .. guess all those folks could live in his front yard too.  I may be one of them.  I have a friend who was able to stay in her home because of this program.  Why get rid of it .. all it does is restructure your current mortgage!

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited January 2011

    Bren, it's all political theater and a giant waste of time and taxpayer money.  You can put it in the low-flush toilet along with ACA repeal.

    Hiya, Mary!  I wonder how the anti-abortion crowd feels about the proposed law banning smoking in cars carrying children? 

    E

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2011

    If something is mandated that I don't like I put on my big girl panties and deal with it. Light bulbs are not on that list. Or is this another slippery slope argument? If so the logical place to take that is no government intervention at all. No cops no nothing. Not a country I could be proud to live in and I am proud to be an American.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/26/florida.grading.parents/index.html?hpt=Sbin

    Teachers grading parents in Florida.

    "Should your kid's first-grade teacher be grading you in the first place? If Florida state Rep. Kelli Stargel's bill becomes law, public school teachers will be required to grade the parents of students in kindergarten through the third grade.

    The parents' grades of "satisfactory," "unsatisfactory" or "needs improvement" would be added to their children's report card.

    Stargel, a Republican who sits on several education legislative committees, says that parental involvement is key to educating children for years to come."

    Seems ironic this would come from a republican.  Should our school teachers be grading parents?  I wonder how the teachers feel about this.

  • Claire82
    Claire82 Member Posts: 684
    edited January 2011
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited January 2011

    Off the top, it seems like an "idea" put forward to make the point that some parents should be more involved in their children's education -- and that would be the only point.  Invasion of family privacy would have to be one of the very few ways such grading could be made.  And will teachers be expected to "grill" their students -- e.g. "Just how much involvement by your parents in doing this project?" or   "How much time did your mom/dad spend with you doing your math homework?"

    Oh, and how does one actually measure/grade "encouragement", "healthy breakfasts", "reading to/with your child" and a multitude of other things?

  • molly52
    molly52 Member Posts: 389
    edited January 2011

    Stepping back to curly fries, etc, I don't see gov't legislation as controlling OUR lives - but more a putting a STOP or LIMIT on corporations.  Corporations are mainly concerned with short term bottom line and market share.  Long term items such as health or the environment are generally not considered, unless the government directs them.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    If the "grades" are based on attendance at school open houses, and parent teacher conferences, and communication between the parent and the school, that's reasonable.  If it is more of the school trying to control how parents parent, then not so reasonable. 

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    Linda .. it does sound like they would have to grill their students for info about the parents.  And these are very young children ages 5-8.  That would take quite a bit of time to ask each student about their parents involvement on a daily basis.

    Molly .. agree with what you wrote!

    Bren

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    Patmom .. the link states it is also based on if they had a good breakfast and if their parents helped with their homework.  And also how much sleep they got the night before class.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    Since so many schools provide breakfast, that isn't so much part of the parent's grade as the school's.  How much sleep they got shouldn't be an issue unless the child is having difficulty staying awake/paying attention in class, and teachers already ask the child in that situation. 

    Just like some adults need 8 or more hours sleep to function well, and others do just fine on 5 or 6 hours, some children need more sleep than others. 

    Believe me, the teachers already know which parents are doing a satisfactory job, which are trying, but could use some improvement, and which are not satisfactory.  They don't need to quiz the students.  Not to mention that kids that age will tell their teachers all kinds of things that the parents wouldn't expect that the kids even know. 

    Must learn to spell check BEFORE hitting send! 

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    Patmom .. I copied this from the link I posted. 

    The grading system is based on three criteria that Stargel wrote in the legislation:

    • A child should be at school on time, prepared to learn after a good night's sleep, and have eaten a meal.
    • A child should have the homework done and prepared for examinations.
    • There should be regular communication between the parent and teacher.

    "Those three things are key to a quality education," Stargel said.

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited January 2011

    And what happens if the parents get a "needs improvement"? 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    This is kind of like the "no tolerance" policies for drugs and weapons in schools.  Depending on how it is enforced, it could make the school experience better, or crazy. 

    I know that things like expelling first graders for bringing their own pair of scissors from home, or not allowing high school kids to use plastic knives in the cafeteria were not part of the original vision of those rules, nor was disiplining an 18 year old high school senior for having aspirin in her purse.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    E .. We would get sent to the principals office!

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited January 2011

    And forced to use curly fry bulbs!

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited January 2011

    The lightbulb ban is an interstate commerce issue, I believe, so shouldn't that be the federal government's purview?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    Would be nice if parents could grade the teacher including what their children are being taught

  • Claire82
    Claire82 Member Posts: 684
    edited January 2011

    teachers are graded

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011
  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    O.M.G. just thinking about Rush is giving me a headache.  I have to confess that Mr. Tim listens to him on the road, and then when he gets home, I have to deprogram him!

    Bren

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    REALLY?  Teachers are graded?  How many teachers do you know who have lost their job because they were not performing up to standards?

    Ever hear of the "Rubber Room" in NYC ??

    Rushing.............out a here

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2011

    I believe I was the one asked what happens if something is mandated that I don't like.  Then ... like no abortion... is added in a post aimed at someone else. As the person who was originally asked that question I object to abortion (which I am opposed to, by the way) being tacked on.

    The question still remains where do we stop with govt regulation and we all have our own ideas.

    By the way if the South fought the Civil War over States Rights and not slavery, they still lost.

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited January 2011

    Well shoot, my "ignore" finger just can't keep up!

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited January 2011

    Sorry about that, Bren!  Did you catch Rush's intelligent and thoughtful commentary on the Chinese? 

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