Sentinel Node Dissection -- Recovery
I had a lumpectomy with IORT and sentinel node dissection this month. I think my recovery is going well except for the underarm area.
I realize this is probably pretty normal but I do have questions and vague concerns. Though I had seen remarks by others that their recovery from node removal was more difficult than the breast surgery, I guess I didn't believe it (or, as is often the case with me, I thought I'd somehow be different).
It's 2 1/2 weeks since my SLNB. If I try to stretch my arms out by my sides (like Jesus on the cross, if you'll pardon the analogy), I can barely go to the straight position. There's discomfort considerably before that, but I can get to that position. I can't go any higher, though. (Of course I can raise my unaffected arm straight up.) I have no lymphedema-type swelling
I love my surgeon and in general she's a terrific communicator, but this is one thing she's sort of glossed over. She told me just to work on being to raise my arms all the way up.
I printed out the "Exercises after Breast Surgery" at http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/BreastCancer/MoreInformation/exercises-after-breast-surgery and I think I will try those.
I'm not entirely sure what I'm asking, but I guess I'm just discouraged that I have such limited arm movement when everything else seems so good. Does what I'm describing sound normal? Does one eventually get full function back, and if so, how long does it take? Do the exercises really help?
Any thoughts anyone might have would be useful to me. Thanks
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I was back to work in a week, but I did do the excercises diligently.
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I did do the exercises but my PS still wasn't happy with my progress granted the sentinal node side was much better than the 10 node side. He sent me to PT. 2.5 weeks isn't very long but if you still feel in a week that you are not making progress I would question your BS if you need PT.
Everyone is different. I was doing my exercises but it still took some time for both arms to get close to full range. PT really helped. (and I don't mean PT for LE).
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This sounds normal. I had zero pain from the incision on my breast, but my underarm and midway down the back of my arm was very/very/very sore for six months. Apparently, there are millions of nerves in the underarm area, so that small incision packs a punch. I didn't do the exercises (because my arm hurt) and ended up with frozen shoulder - which was very painful and lasted for six months. It took months of exercises to resolve that.
You should do the exercises and keep your arm moving (to avoid frozen shoulder). Also, the constant motion will keep the blood flowing, which will help with healing. I don't know how long it will take for you to get full range of motion back, but I had surgery in May 2009 and this past summer (2010), I was playing a mean game of tennis. It will get better for you too.
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Fearless One: I don't work, but I think I'd be able to work if I did. (As long as I wasn't harvesting oranges, or laying bricks!) I can do most stuff that doesn't involve stretching my arm or raising it very high.
Lago: at what point did your BS decide you needed PT? I am only 2 1/2 weeks post-SLNB. And what is PT for "LE?" Lymphedema?
j414: Yep, that sounds like me. I asked my BS what causes the soreness, and she says it's because the axillary fascia is cut during the SLNB. Lucky for me, I was in PT for foot surgery until a few days before my SLNB, and I asked the physical therapist for advice about my surgery. He said the most important thing was to be sure I kept moving my arm after surgery in order to avoid frozen shoulder. I'm really glad I had asked because I swear I was *very* tempted to protect my arm and keep it still for many days!
As I said, my PS didn't give me any specific exercises to do. Last night I tried the exercises at the link I posted. Have any of you used these exercises, or do you have different ones to suggest? I thought the exercises were not at all challenging -- I was to do each one 5 to 7 times but I felt like doing them 20 to 30 times. (I didn't.)
It sounds as though, if I do at least some moderate exercise, I can expect a return to normalcy in about a year. Do you all agree with that guess, more or less?
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PT for LE… yes for lymphedema. Unfortunately I'm doing that now. I have a mild case but in the arm with 10 nodes. Sentinel is OK but I do have some cording.
I think I started PT 3 weeks from my surgery but remember my 10 nodes side was much more limited. My sentinel side was doing better so I don't think I would have been sent as soon if it was just for the sentinel side.
I never got frozen shoulder and my posture has been pretty good throughout.
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Lago: I don't know how many nodes were removed but I don't think it was very many. My BS didn't expect to find node involvement so I suspect she only took about 3. I don't have LE, or at least not yet.
Thank you so much for the link to the site about cording! I had noticed that I had a slight case of that and didn't know what it was called, so my internet searches hadn't yielded any info!
When I stretch my arms out like a "t" the SLNB side looks very different from the other side. It almost looks like the arms of two different people. The SNLB side looks thinner and has more of what a trainer would call "definition," particularly if I turn my hands so the thumb is pointing up.
Do you think a small amount of cording is normal at first?
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SLNB can take 1-4 nodes. I had 4 on my SNLB. Cording can show up pretty quickly. A PT can stretch and loosen the incision (that is sticking) that might be causing it. I really don't know a lot about it. You will find a lot of BS don't know much about cording either.
Also when they take out nodes the can take out some fat too. The nodes are sitting in fat tissue so some of it may be gone. That might be why the arms look different. In my case I've had fluid retention in my arms first from surgery then chemo and of course lymphedema on one side. I'm still waiting for my upper arms to become skinny again.
This is all information that you should talk to your doctor about. If s/he isn't giving you answers get a second opinion.
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My recovery from the LN dissection was harder than the mast! My surgeon glossed over that too. I was fully prepared for the mastectomy and its after effects but was completely unprepared for the LN dissection and how it felt afterwards. It seems that you are doing well just by 2.5 weeks out. Excercises that helped me were the neck rolls, making circles with your arm straight pointing down. Putting your hand behind your back and trying to creep it up. The chcken dance too I think. They have a different set of excercises to do after 6 weeks and I think that involves the spider crawl - going up and down the wall with your hand facing the wall and on your side.
I had a minor infection in the incision and did not use my arm as much and my doc sent me to PT probably 3 months post mastectomy. It did me a lot of wonders too! I went to a LE therapist as well for some mild swelling and it was amazing. She loosened up so many things in there and made me feel so much better. I would have liked going to her earlier even with no issues because it just helped my "bad side" become more mobile, fluid and a little bit more pain free.
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Hi cycle path,
I had limited arm movement after my mastectomy/SLNB. My BS did not recommend any specific exercises, but did encourage me to use my arm as much as possible for everyday tasks like brushing my hair & teeth, blow drying my hair, getting dressed. I did that as much as possible, even though my instinct was to favor and protect that arm.
I developed cording in my armpit 3-4 weeks after surgery (ouch!). When I next saw my plastic surgeon, I showed him the cording and he showed me how to massage it - basically deep massage to break up forming scar tissue. He said do it twice a day for 3-5 minutes. My cording was 90% better after the first day of massage, and entirely gone within within 2 weeks.
I don't know whether you need a PT/LE specialist to do this kind of massage -- I didn't, obviously -- but maybe it depends on how severe the cording is?
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I think those exercises should help. I too could not raise my arm after node dissection and did not know I was supposed to exercise... so several weeks after the surgery, when I saw my oncologist for the first time, I showed her how limited my movement was and she told me to exercise (using similar movements to those you posted). It's been over a year and a half now and I have full range of movement back. The only way to get it back is to do those exercises repeatedly every day. PT is a good idea as well... but even just doing those exercises (do reps of 10 several times a day for several weeks at least) should get your movement back to normal.
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Sentinel node recovery is definitely glossed over, and what you posted seems normal. All I recall being told by BS and nurse was that although I didn't fill my Tylenol with codeine prescription for my lumpectomy, I'd better have my husband fill it for the SN recovery (I had the SNB 2 weeks after the lumpectomy, when the pathology report stated 1.75 mm of grade 2 IDC appeared along with the grade 2 DCIS), because I'd feel discomfort for the first few days. The lumpectomy recovery was definitely less painful, which did surprise me given the scar area, but I'm not complaining that either one was awful.
However, I'm now 1 year out from my Jan'10 lumpectomy and Jan'10 SNB, and there are times when the underarm SN scar region feels tight and/or sensitive. I don't let it throw me, but it is a little reminder, unlike my lumpectomy which I don't feel any lingering physical discomfort from (the mental discomfort will always be there, although hopefully diminishing over time and healthy annual mammos.)
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I appreciate all the responses! I now 3 1/2 weeks post SNB, and I'm in much better shape. I've been stretching by standing in a doorway and reaching as high as I can in the door jamb. Instead of repeating I just hold the position for a minute or so. That's easier for me and I think it accomplishes more. Anyway, with my surgical arm I can now reach within 1 inch of the height I can reach with the unaffected arm. Since my surgical arm was shorter in the first place I think I'm almost to my pre-surgical level. (Too bad I didn't measure my reach before surgery!)
Reaching that far is uncomfortable but not painful. I do a good long doorway stretch about 3 times each day.
The cording is still there but it doesn't seem to be preventing me from stretching. That's what was concerning me before -- that I wouldn't be able to recover because of the cording. But apparently that's not the case.
I've tried massaging the cords myself but nothing seems to happen.
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I saw the title of this thread and just had to vent, even though my problem is different from what you are experiencing. I had the sentinel node biopsy from hell. When I went home from surgery I had a lump bigger than a grapefruit under my arm. A week later, the incision opened up and the wound started bleeding, draining etc. My surgeon totally blew me off, said there was nothing she could do for me. After 3 months of being ignored by my surgeon, my primary care physician finally referred me to a wound clinic. Its now been 5 months and I still have an open wound that needs to be packed twice a day. I went through chemo with an open wound and now will be starting radiation next week with an open wound in the field of radiation. GRRRRRRR- I'm SOOO angry at my BS..., and also feeling sorry for myself....
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Blindsided - That is so awful and you have every reason to be upset! If it is any consolation, and your situation may be different than mine, but my SN area wasn't in the field of rads. even though I had full-breast and then boosts. In fact, not an inch of my underarm was ever included (didn't lose hair, so I started shaving a few weeks in because I couldn't take it), so hopefully you'll be able to heal without impact from zaps.
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Blindsided, I had the same experience as you.
Including sudden and extensive bleeding on my brand new matress! I am scheduled for further axillary node dissection tomorrow so the surgeon will re-open the wound (I also have a big swelling where my left breast was, B cup size!) and clean it out at the same time. The swelling actually bled through the drain incision, which I thought was completely closed after its been dry for over five days. I am looking forward to days when my arm isn't rubbing against the swelling and when I am not walking around like a body builder with arms away from my body. Although, with additional nodes removed, not sure what to expect next.....
All the best to you!
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Blindsided, you have every right to vent! The attitude of some doctors can be so frustrating.
I wonder -- would it be possible to have a small piece of lead shielding placed over your wound during radiation? You might ask about it.
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CTMOM1234: thanks- that's encouraging, I hope that my beams will avoid the wound area too!
mks16: Good luck with your surgery tomorrow. i hope that your problem resolves more quickly than mine has. At least your surgeon is stepping up and dealing with the problem! I also I felt like a body builder with my arm stuck out to the side! I also usually had a bag of frozen peas tucked in my arm pit to help with the swelling- a very attractive look!
cycle-path: that's a good idea, I wich I had thought of that when I went for my planning session- I'll have to ask on Monday!
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Hi Everyone,
I am a newbie, Im scheduled for a Sentinel node dissection next week tuesday. They do it as an outpatients so after 2 hours in the recovery room I should be home.
I see that physio is very important for recovery but my boss is going to ask me when I can return to my (desk) job. What would you guys advise?Thanks, Veronica
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Hi Veronica -
I had my sentinel node biopsy at the same time as my lumpectomy, and I could have done a desk job the second day following surgery if I had needed to - it really only hurt for the first 24 hours, but it also took a while to not feel wonky from the anesthesia. Mine was on the left though, and I'm right-handed so I don't know if that would make a difference. I did (and actually still do) have some pain on extending my arm up over my head, and I did have the cording which caused some discomfort, but it wasn't anything that would actually have kept me from anything but heavy lifting. Typing, moving papers etc. would not have been a problem. That said, if you can get a week off, then go for it, but I can’t see that you would need more than that.
Hope this helps!
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Hi Annette,
Thanks for that. I'll tell me boss that I'll come back to the office the Monday of the next week (procedure is tuesday) and I'll be online probably before
I'm going to tell him my bc diagnosis Monday so I'm a bit nervous but we will see how it works out. He's normally all business and his social skills aren't the strongest (we are both science geeks) but he's not a monster so it should go OK.
Thanks again, Veronica x
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