Update from Oncologist Visit Today
Hi Ladies,
I promised I would post after seeing my oncologist for my 6 month checkup. Today was the day...had to drive through 8 inches of snow to get there but I made it! My CXR results were fine. I will get my annual CT scan in July. Today we drew the usual labs, CBC, Chem Profile, Ca 27:29 tumor markers and a recheck of my Vit D level. Here were our topics of discussion:
ZOMETA:
I asked my oncologist about the Azure trial results as it relates to Zometa infusions. She also was very disappointed in the results of that study but believes it is too soon to give up on Zometa benefiting other groups besides women who already have bone mets. She said there is another clinical trial in progress which may shed more light on the specific subgroups that could benefit from prophylactic IV Zometa. I believe this MAY be the trial she was referring to but don't know for sure. At least this trial is still active and has plans to test over 5,000 Stage I, II or III women for benefit from the Bisphosphonates.
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00127205?term=Zometa+comparison+trial&rank=52
She is keeping me scheduled for my July Zometa infusion which will be my 11th dose over the last 5 years. We will then take another look at the issue in 2012 to determine if I will continue on annual infusions or not. She believes I do fit the current criteria for the subgroup in the Azure trial which did show benefit ie. post menopausal for more than 5 years before starting Zometa
AROMASIN:
We then discussed the issue of my being on Aromasin a full 5 years this April. She said there really is no study data for maintaining on the AI's longer than 6 years but we are both inclined to continue the Aromasin for this my 6th year. Her plan is to stop my Aromasin later this year for 30 days and then draw Estradiol blood tests to determine how much estrogen my body is producing without the AI. If I am maintaining sufficiently low estrogen levels without the AI then we will trial staying off it, I have adjusted to living with the joint inflammation and thinning hair side effects of the AI but my onc has concerns about the increased risk of cardiac issues particularly in patients who may already have an at risk cardiac profile. I do not have a hx of cardiac risk so it is not that great a concern for me, but if my body's natural production of estrogen stays sufficiently low enough without the drugs...then it make sense to limit other risks where I can. I'm sure we will have more discussions on this issue throughout the year.
VITAMIN
Pending my Vit D blood results from today I will stay on prescription Vit D until my levels reach at least 35. My results last summer were 18.
KRILL OIL:
My oncologist feels that fish oil should be a regular part of my diet particularly to benefit the cardiac system. She said there is a new form of Fish Oil available now which is derived from "Krill" (think mini shrimp) which may provide more benefit than regular fish oils and allows for much smaller sized capsules in its formulation. I have just double-checked online and see it is available at Walgreens and a variety of health food stores. Will pick some up after our snow storm is over.
ANTI-INFLAMMATION DIET:
I will have to do some research on this and find out what foods are considered "anti-inflammatory" but my onc says that more studies are showing that systemic inflammation can play a role in cancer and numerous other health issues. We know that inflammation can adversely affect lymphedema and my onc says our immune systems in general are made less effective by the presence of inflammation.
MAINTAINING A HEALTHY WEIGHT:
I successfully lost 40 lbs in 2010 and my onc is very happy with that for the benefit a nornal weight provides. I need to work this year on losing another 10 lbs but more importantly getting into an exercise routine which is going to strengthen my cardiovascular and tone up my musculoskeletal systems. She is concerned about my chronic fast resting heart rate which is most likely due to deconditioning and lack of regular exercise. So I have my work cut out for me this year trying to get into an exercise routine.
STATISTICAL RISK OF RECURRENCE:
I did want to bring up the topic of my recurrence risk since I passed my 5 year mark last December but am aware that the risk never goes away completely. I am also aware that Invasive Lobular Cancer has an increased risk of later recurrence ie. between years 5-10 than for instance Invasive Ductal Cancer. IDC statistically recurs sooner than ILC. This is believed to be due to the different growth rates of the cancer types.
I am not the best with statistics but if I understand correctly what my onc told me, a 5 year NED survivor of ILC will have a 2% risk of recurrence for each year between 5-10 whereas a 5 year NED survivor of IDC will have a 1% risk of recurrence for each year between 5-10. After 10 years NED the recurrence risk drops even further.....but never completely goes away.
So...that is the summary of my 15 min oncology visit. I LOVE my onc and believe she is one of the brightest in the field. Hopefully, this information will help others in similar discussions with their oncs for future treatment plans.
Comments
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Thanks for posting this!
Barb
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Thanks for posting Linda! Funny, I met with an Onc yesterday about a clinical trial and when we talked about the biphosphonates (Zometa in my case) she said that she was as strong an advocate and thought they would become "standard of care". Her opinion was not at all altered by the new research. At any rate, I am in the clinical trial you mentioned so I guess we'll see. Congrats, congrats - stay well.
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Thanks for this Linda, its all very informative.
I see my Onc in March, it will be interesting to see her advice regarding Zometa.
Also good to hear "real" stats on reoccurance, those are pretty good odds you have there! Congratulatons!
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Glad you had a good visit. Thanks for posting...you give us lost of hope!
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LindaLou - thank you for taking the time to write this! We get such little time with oncs, it's so helpful to share information that may not have been covered. I've often thought a general thread for something like "what did your onc say at your last visit?" would be really useful for everyone.
So here's my contribution. I last saw mine at end of December and he changed his mind completely on Tamoxifen for me. I had the test that showed I would not be a good metabolizer earlier in the Fall and he was going to start me on Arimidex. But the study released at San Antonio conference showed the Tamox metabolizer test was not a good predictor afterall and now I'm on T. Treatment seems to be a moving target!
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Thanks for opening the door to your exam room and letting us in on the visit..........I find it interesting to learn and read what the oncs say and do for us, most of our treatments and follow up are the same, but at times there are differences, which opens the door for some really good questions.
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Thank you for the update. I learn so much from you ladies and it is interesting/eye opening to hear the alternative approaches.
Take Care
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Thanks for posting. There is something in your post for all of us. Well, at least for me!
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Yes, LindaLou, thanks so much! I think many oncs approach things differently so it's great to hear what other oncs are saying, so we can ask better questions of our own.
Congrats on another good checkup!
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Great post! Well done on your 40lbs weight loss too!
Susie
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Thanks for the update, LindaLou. Sounds like a wonderful and very educational visit. Thanks for the info, I will want to talk to my onc about the AI/Estradial subject.
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LindaLou.....thanks for sharing...I see my onc next month for my routine 3 month follow-up...when I see him, it will mark 5 years since Dx....in the past he has mentioned that he does not think that zometa is better than the oral biophosphonates...he is a proponent of calcium/mag and Vit D and reguar walking/exercise. I stopped the Actonal when I stopped the Aromasin. My last BMD was Nov or Dec 2009...was having then annually when on AI's, but not sure now that I am off them....
Congrats on your weight loss....40# is impressive!!
Karen
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Great info ! Thanks !
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You are so kind to let us learn from your visit. Many of the topics you discussed will be the same at my next visit. It helps to know what others have learned. I am so glad to hear you are doing well and have such a good prognosis.
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Thanks LL.
So happy to read that you are continuing to do well.
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LindaLou, thank you for posting such a wealth of information. And congrats on your weight loss. WOW!!
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Thanks for sharing! I, too, love to hear how other oncologists view things. Congrats on the 40 pounds, too! I managed to pack on almost 10 pounds over the last few months and you've motivated me to get on the ball and get my exercise to chocolate intake ratio back in balance.
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Lindalou, what a good post! Sounds like you got a lot out of your fifteen minutes.
I was glad to read you are going to establish your natural estradiol level. Just be sure it is with the new sensitive assay test and not a run-of-the mill test. The sensitive assay can differentiate between, say, a ten and a less than two. It makes sense to me that this should be routinely done. I wonder how many women have suffered needlessly with AI side effects. Also, I think the dose is too big for some of us, or perhaps as we get older and our estadiol levels naturally decline, we should have a reduced dose. For me, half a pill every other day works to keep my estradiol below 2. I can't take more than that. I tried to get up to half a pill once a day and my se's became horrendous.
So many oncs take the position of all or nothing. I have two friends who decided to get off AI's fairly early on. They were not offered the opportunity to take a lesser dose. Both got recurrences
Several years ago I found an article in HemOnc Today, "Estradiol concentrations linked to breast cancer recurrence." 3088 women were followed for more than 7 yrs after diagnosis. 153 had recurrence and were matched with 153 participants who did not recur. Women who recurred had an average estradiol of 22.7 pg/ml and women who remained healthy had an average of 10.8pg/ml.
I think you can read the whole study in Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2008;doi: 10.1158/1055-9965. EPI-07-0761
Let's start a tradition of reporting our onc's wisdom. They will of course, differ, but there is a collective wisdom there that will benefit us all.
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Thank you Linda, for taking the time to share all this interesting information with us. Congrats on your weight loss. 40 pounds is an incredible achievement!
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Hi LindaLou
Thanks for posting the result of your Onc visit. I really find hearing from others and the information gleaned at their visits with their specialist very enlightening. I have a highly regarded oncologist, however he is short and sharp to the point, vry business like and is really hard to drain information out of, and I get the feeling I am taking up his precious time, even though I know I am paying for it. I often come away unhappy from the visit, and I feel I can't be open, and really tell him how I feel ans ask questions. (I sort of think he is sitting there thinking "Silly menopausal woman"). I go in with a long list of questions, but end up only asking the most pressing ones, as I feel a bit intimidated. On the other hand, when I see my radio oncologist, (whom I alternate between them both every six months), I feel really at ease with and I have not hesitation in asking questions.
As others have mentioned above, I think this would be a great new thread to start and we could all post information in, after we do our Onc visits.
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Lindalou, A few more thoughts about your post. When you say you had your Vitamin D level checked, do you mean Vitamin D3? Also, you remarked about anti-inflammatory foods. One of the best things I discovered for me is Turmeric,.the ingredient in curry powder that gives it the yellow color.I like curry but don't eat it every day so I got the pills and take several a day. Recently I ran out of them; it was snowy here and didn't feel like going out. After several days I could tell a big difference.
Also, we are all so impressed with your weight loss! Any secrets you can pass on?.
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Great post, lots of good info.
Jan
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Weesa- Yes my lab test was for Vit D3. I think the test was called Vit D 25 Hydroxy. It looks at both D2 and D3 levels. At my lab normal Vit D3 range should be from 30-100. My onc would like me to get to at least 35. Should find out next week if my levels are up after 6 months of high dose Vit D. Thanks for the tip on the Tumeric pills! I will have to check them out.
I don't have any huge weight loss tips other than what worked for me. I found a free App for my iPad called "Lose It" which is terrific way to keep track of my food intake, set weight loss goals, log daily exercise and food calories. It really helped me to make better food choices and cut back on the sweets and high carb foods. Plus, I started making big batches of homemade vegetable soup every week or so, and substituted one meal a day for a big bowl of soup with crusty toasted bread. It filled me up, was more healthy and very low calorie for a complete meal.
I tried eating more fish, less fried foods, never drink sodas...only water or tea etc. The hardest for me was cutting way back on my chocolate and baked goods. I love to cook but decided to curtail the desserts and stick with more healthy snacks ie. Raw veggies and nuts. I did still get my chocolate fix every day with little "mini-sized" candy bars but made sure I didn't eat the whole bag in one sitting! -
Sherri,
thats why you are so sweet......:)
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I really appreciate your posting this! As a stage III'er ILC lady on Aromasin I can relate to the information that you're passing on. And I need to ask my onc about fish oil at my March vist.
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