Dense Breasts
Just wondering how many gals were told your cancer was not picked up early (on a mammogram) due to having "dense breast tissue"??
I was told by one Radiologist, that looking for cancer in a dense breast was "like trying to find a snowflake in an avalanche".
Has anyone else heard similar remarks??
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Mine was not found on mammograms due to dense tissue. I have smaller breasts and it seems to me that my little tumor was in an awkward spot to be seen (12:00 about an inch and a half above the nipple) I had 6 mammograms faithfully, one each year, each one showing nothing remarkable. It was found by a physical examination by my gyno. The lump was perfectly palpable. I have a secret wondering if the mammograms caused my trouble in the first place.
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Hi Sharon68 - Mine was not found on a mammogram either due to dense breast tissue. Just like Suzanne3131, my lump was palpable. I found the lump myself while checking them. Went to my primary care, who could also feel the lump. Went for a mammogram (was not my first one) and the lump did not show. I was also very small breasted (about a AA cup). My lump did show on Ultrasound, but did not show up on my mammogram or MRI. Luckily, there are 3 different tests they can do to check. I guess if your lump is not palpable, they might not think to do an Ultrasound or MRI. Lucky for me, they knew there was definitely a lump because we all could feel it. I had my first mammogram at age 37, diagnosed with BC at age 40.
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My mammograms always had the disclaimer because of my "extrememly dense" breast tissue. I'm 49. I had large A/small B sized breasts and my tumor was finally found when it was 5.5cm (invasive part only. There was (less that 25%) a DCIS part of the tumor that they didn't measure so technically it was even bigger.
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I have ready that dense tissue is an optimum environment for breast cancer to grow. It's not just about hard to find.
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I was lucky, in the fact that I had an awesome radiologist reading my mammograms for the last 10 years. I had extremely proliferative dense breasts. An 0.06 cm lesion was noted on my routine mammo 6/1/10, that was not seen on previous films. I know that I am extremely fortunate.
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Thanks to all for your replies......
There is a wonderful video of a lecture given by Dr Rhodes on the DCIS forum regarding new imaging and answering questions about the matter of dense breasts and mammography. It is under
"New Imaging machine/better than MRI".
I mistakingly went to the site thinking it was the IDC forum. I'm glad I did, as I never would have seen it otherwise!
I have been an RN in OB/GYN and Maternal Fetal Medicine for over 30yrs and had NEVER heard or been cautioned about dense breast tissue having any effect on Mammography outcomes..........until AFTER being diagnosed with a 7cm tumor.....and after requesting more studies be done when my nipple started retracting! My most recent Negative Mammogram was 5 mo before diagnosis.
I haven't dwelled on this until recently when 2 more friends with dense breasts were diagnosed and it stirred my passion again.
I felt that somehow either $$ or politics (or both) had to play a part in the general female population not being informed regarding this matter.
The video answers so many of my questions ...........thanks for "listening" to my long post & vent
Blessings Sharon
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This topic has been bothering me since I started feeling well enough mentally and physically to ponder it. My "clear" mammogram, taken less than 1 year before my diagnosis with a 4 cm tumor, noted that I had extremely dense breast tissue. I think my GP should have explained the risk to me, and at least given me info about ultrasound and MRI as imaging alternatives. I'm pretty pissed at her. It seems like a no brainer. So, the insurance companies don't want to pay for MRI's? Wouldn't they save $ on chemo??
I had a screening mammo at age 27 for lumpy breasts-sometimes I wonder if the radiation might have led to bc.
Cat
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No mine was not picked up by either Mammo or US..my BS said it was a good thing I was "so persistent" I think he meant bitchy. I have been having mammos (sometimes US) since I was 35. I was 43 at the time of diagnosis and according to the BS he estimates I've had the primary tumor for about 7 years. My BS showed me both the mammo and US and dense tissue is white and cancer is white on the film. I think MRI's should be allowed for women with dense breast and a family history of BC. I am fortunate to have gone to a BS at a good cancer center and there they have a patient advocate who fights the insurance company for approvals for MRI's. My twin had an MRI after my diagnosis and has a great sense of relief knowing it was clear. She will get one every other year.
Diane
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No, 14 mammos in 14 years did not pick up my BC. My BS told me that 30% of BC is not visualized on mammo. She now wants me to have mammos+US rotating with MRI because I am "mammo occult". I didn't even know this was a term that is used! I am still mad that I had NO idea that the mammos were not more accurate than this.
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I hear you! I'm STAGE IV, dx stage 3C 5 years ago due to very dense tissue. I was 44 and had NO idea ABOUT dense tissue until dx. I'm in this mess becuz of dense tissue and no one did anything about it.
Surgeon said they missed it for 4 years at least. I literally feel my life will be lost to this eggregious error. It's unreal. At least the word is semi-getting out there. I've been told the blame lies w/both the radiologist and my obg/yn - as no one ever mentioned the "extremeley" dense disclaimer to me.
I'm 49.- Kim
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I never know that dense breasts were at increased risk either. Disclaimer just meant that they couldn't see as well. My mom and sister have dense breast too. No one in my family had breast cancer till me so why would I think I was at increased risk?
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My tumor did not show up on Mammo related to Dense breasts. I had prior mammo's and my Doctor did not warn me of the dangers. It has taken me 3 years to get over the blame game.
Koda
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Thanks for starting this thread. I have the same story as everyone here - I have dense breat tissue, and I had a clean annual mammo 7 months before I felt my tumor myself. There is a website called www.areyoudense.org that deals with this topic. It discusses a law in Connecticut that mandates additional testing for women with dense breasts. We should all push for that kind of law in our states.
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Thank-goodness Connecticut has that law. I am in a VERY rough spot. It's entirely possible that I will not make it. If my onc gives me the "get your affairs in order speech", I believe I will call 60 minutes. We can't keep dying becuz of this OUTRAGEOUS neglect in woman's health. If I don't get on TV, then I will just allow another truly innocent person like me to take the hit.
I had a career I loved. To make it even more beyond belief, I was suprisely recruited by the top company in my field 2 days after going out on ltd, last fall . I could not believe it. I thanked the mgr and their team for extending the opportunity to join their wonderful team, but said I would not be able to make that move at this team. The point is - I had built a good life and a bright future. I was really contributing to society, on a big scale. Now, I'm just trying to manage brutal chemos.- Kim
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I think Sharon68's post is equally compelling - 30 years as an RN in obg/yn and no one mentioned the dangers of dense breast tissue to her in her profession. amazing.
Yes, I was thinking that Leslie Stahl would be the person to approach. I am not ready to go public with this yet, but when that day happens, I will certainly repost here.Thanks!
- Kim
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I was told I have very dense breasts (I am a
and was instructed that I have an US as well as the routine mammogram each year - or I can stagger 6 mos for one and 6 mos for the other. I missed two years (my bad) and a friend scheduled me for my mammo but didn't realize about the US. When I got the mammo I was told it was normal and showed nothing, but my breasts are so dense that I need to have the US - I had the choice of coming back the next week or in 6 mos. I figured since I hadn't gone in two years I would go back the next week - glad I did: US showed 8mm tumor which turned out to be IDC. I feel very lucky that it was picked up on the US. Scary stuff.
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I have been told for years that I had very dense breasts. My breast surgeon told me they were a Radiologists nightmare! Mine was found on mammo. The radiologist told my she had to look very hard to find it after the second one. She actually came in the room and did the ultra sound after the tech did and tried to palpate the area. She couldn't palpate anything but said I have to know whta this is I think you need a biopsy. I am so very grateful for her dilegence. I could not palpate anything either.
It only makes sense that a MRI should be done for women with dense breasts but hey we are hearing we only need a mammo every couple of years. I have absolutely no family hx of breast cancer so what if I had waited a couple of years.
When you are ready Kim it will be a strong and necessary message. I am so sorry you are having to go through this!
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Yes, my 1.97 tumor was not seen on digital, diagnostic mammos that I received every year for 4 years. And like Lago says, not only is it harder to find, but because we have more ducts and lobules (vs. just fat), we are also at higher risk.
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I went from a clear mammo in Jan 09 to Stage IIIC in the summer of the same year. I had no idea mammograms were essentially worthless for me, and provided a false sense of security.
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Toni30,
Thanks for posting that website ""areyoudense.org" The founder Nancy Capello, Phd has done what I was thinking of doing. Her goals and mission statement say it all! I will contact her to see if her material is available to use in our own communities to spread the word.
Blessings to all,
Sharon F
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Oh this just scares me a little..... I am currently awaiting biopsy results of a cluster of microcalcifications that was done 10 days ago and have recieved copies of all my mammos from the past four years. They all say dense breasts fibroglandular tissue with numerous nodular fibroglandular density elements distirbuted throughout both breasts. Breast density continues to be a limiting factor and should not deter from appropriate biopsy. Hopefully I do not have one of these underlying tumors that have been hiding in these dense areas for awhile. For now on I am getting copies of everything. Will keep hoping for the best...... hopefully receive my results this week.... has been a long wait already....
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Thanks for this topic. It actually came up today with my BS. With news that my BRCA analysis was negative I opted to go for a lumpectomy scheduled for next Monday. However, the surgeon said he would like to order an mri since my breast were quite dense. He wanted no surprises! That seems to be the thought of most everyone on this thread as well. I can't stress how awesome it is to find a site with so much info! Thanks aagain!!!
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If it weren't for the MRI before surgery we would have never know there was a small amount of LCIS in the other breast!
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My treatment finished almost two years ago and this past Friday the onc told me I had dense breasts (which I'd alrady figured out) and that she was going to get me a scan in late April and then a mamo in July - I had the same earlier this year - wanna bet it came up at one of the conferences because why, all of a sudden are we all getting so many scans when before it was only a mammo? God help us all I wonder sometimes what we'd do if we didn't have one another.
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My mother was dx'd with IDC today. I've had a cluster of microcalcifications watched for a couple of years on me. I've been told I have very dense breasts always.
Guess who will be pushing for more answers when she sees her doc in a couple of weeks?
Thanks for the post.
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I see that no one has posted since 1/27, but I thought I would add my story anyway.
I had been told I had very dense breast and it was hard to read mammos. I have had microcalcifications in the L breast that have been monitored closely by mammo for several years. When I went for annual exam in Oct. my GYN felt a lump in my R breast she thought was a cyst. I had a mammo and US on the same day. Mammo results were normal "come back in a year". But US results showed a mass. The mass turned out to be atypical ductal hyperplasia, but when I had that removed they also found LCIS and a stage I IDC. After finding the cancer unexpectedly the surgeon sent me for MRI on both breast and each one has areas that need follow-up in 6 mos. The IDC was at the chest wall and would have grown for years unfound on mammo. I am thankful that I have a good GYN who was able to feel the lump as I could not (only with her help), and a good radiologist that read the US because the mass was difficult to see on US as well.
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I had a mammogram last Feb, that showed nothing. I found a lump in Nov. then had a mammogram and ultrasound. Then the lump was discovered. It is really frustrating that the gold standard Mammogram does not always find everthing. I am 45 and was told because of my dense breasts it did not show up. Also, it seemed to take so long after diagnosis until the Dr. started treating the cancer. I kept hearing you have time, you won't die tomorrow, and we caught it early. UGH
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Add one more example to this list. I am small-breasted with dense breasts. I had regular mammograms, and had often been told about my dense breasts, but I didn't understand that increased my risk. I had discharge from my nipple, so my doctor ordered a diagnostic mammogram (different from a screening mamm). My DCIS did not show on the mammogram, but the technician must have felt something when she did the breast exam because the next thing I know they want to do ultrasound (fortunately they did it right away). The DCIS did not show on the ultrasound either, but they were concerned enough to recommend biopsy. The biopsy came back positive for DCIS, but they had no idea how big it was. So then came the MRI that showed it was 8 cm - pretty big for DCIS - about half the breast. So I had a unilateral mastectomy in July. I am not bitter because I know it could have been much worse. No chemo, no radiation for me. Just the surgery, and I'm doing fine now. But the DCIS had probably been slowly growing for a long long time ....
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I had annual mammograms for 10 years - got those little follow-up cards in the mail with the "all OK". Moved mid-2009 and went for the screening mammogram at a new place. They asked to see my old films. Then had me come back for a diagnostic mammogram and US. Told me the mammogram is "all OK" but US picked-up a nodule that they are sure is B9 but to be 100% sure I need an MRI. GP (who needed to get the MRI order) recommended that I bring all the films to her hospital and see a breast surgeon for a second opinion (the films would be re-read). Breast surgeon said mammogram is "all OK" but the hospital lost the US image so I need it redone. This US picked-up a new spot that looked suspicious and turned out to be cancer - nobody could feel it and digital mammogram did not pick-it up. So now after a lumpectomy, chemo, and radiation - I am being told that the follow-up protocol is mammograms. I am at a top-rated NCI hospital. How frustrating is that?!?
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Forgot to add that I only found out I have dense breasts when I got the second opinion. And ILC often does not show up on mammograms and is not palapable. Still get the answer - standard follow-up protocol is mammogram.
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