I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

floralgal · January 2011

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bluedahlia · January 2011

I'm waiting until I get turned "ON" on Thursday to say more, but I have to say I can't believe some can't see what is so blatently obvious and that is that this nutjob was influenced by other nutjobs. All he needed was a trigger.

Anonymous · January 2011

floragal, are you saying we should listen to L. King, Olbermann, and others? Like Olbermann is not inflammatory? Puullleeaaaseee.

Anonymous · January 2011

Medigal wrote:

Sorry, I could not wait for a response on this "dangerous" woman. I did my own research. She is a Socialist who wants to crash the US economy and bring on a socialistic revolution by overloading the welfare rolls! This is what Beck has been warning everyone about and telling people to hoard food! Maybe I owe him an apology. If only he could just learn to present these issues so people could take him seriously! No wonder our dollar is losing it's value.

Medigal, I luv ya gal, but Beck ALWAYS tells his views DO NOT TRUST ME...otherwise, do your own research. He has showed proof of many things, but still tells us to do our own research...and YOU DID...LOL

I know it's confusing listing to "both sides. Perhaps you should read their book.

208sandy · January 2011

I cannot believe this thread - I hope Melissa sees this mess and does something about it. Honestly six people are dead and you are all still personally attacking people you know nothing about - you're using blogs written by the likes of Beck et al to justify your personal attacks on the President - what kind of people are you?

Prayers to the families of the dead and injured.

Sandy

pip57 · January 2011

I really don't understand the point about Pivens. It is yet another fear mongering tactic. I hate to tell you, but there are thousands of theories and beliefs out there that you don't agree with. Always will be.

floralgal · January 2011

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Anonymous · January 2011

Suspected Arizona Gunman Reportedly Planned Shooting in Advance

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/09/fbi-director-robert-mueller-takes-lead-arizona-shooting-investigation/

Authorities executed a search warrant at Loughner's home and found a letter inside a safe that Rep. Gabrielle Giffords wrote to Loughner on Aug 30, 2007, thanking him for attending a "Congress on Your Corner" event, according to an FBI agent affidavit filed with a five-count criminal complaint.

"Also recovered in the safe was an envelope with handwriting on the envelope stating "I planned ahead" and "My assassination" and the name "Giffords," along with what appears to be LOUGHNER's signature," the criminal complaint reads.

Anonymous · January 2011

We'll have to take the Post's word for it..I guess...but his drug stuff seemed to have been "erased" or, as Megyn Kelly put it, "massaged" and that's the reason red flags weren't raised.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/loughner-unable-to-enlist-in-a.html

Jared Loughner unable to enlist in Army because of drug use

By Josh White

Jared Lee Loughner, the suspect in Saturday's mass shooting in Tucson, was rejected from enlistment in the U.S. Army because of issues related to his history of drug use, military officials said Sunday.

In writings on the Internet attributed to Loughner, the suspect wrote that he had at one point been trying to join the Army through the Military Entrance Processing Command in Phoenix. Army officials confirmed Saturday that Loughner was not accepted and was never in the Army, but did not disclose the reason or reasons for his rejection.

Typically, applicants for military service must pass a barrage of exams, including a standard aptitude test, a urinalysis drug screening, a background check for felonies and misdemeanors, and a series of medical tests that can include psychological evaluations. Military officials said failing the drug tests or lying about prior drug use or convictions are among the most common disqualifiers for service.

In Loughner's case, it appears that his drug use was the problem, and he has a prior drug-related conviction. A military official who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose the information said Loughner failed an aspect of the drug inquiry, though it was unclear if it was the urinalysis or other questioning that blocked his entrance. It is unlikely that someone who failed the drug portion of the examinations would have gone on to have more extensive testing, such as a psychological evaluation.

Anonymous · January 2011

Geez, again this man was so nuts. It didn't just start. It started in high school. If you have a forensic psychiatrist "profile" this man, you will see his actions started some time back. He was a nut job.

Alpal · January 2011

Yes, we all agree that he was a nut job. No question about it. See, we can agree on something.

Anonymous · January 2011

Gabbie Giffords is an amazing woman. Even though she runs on the Dem ticket, she practices common sense intelligence. It's so scary how one person with mental problems can cause so much sadness and horror. I hope she pulls through and continues to be a productive, hard working citizen. Not to mention of course, a wife, mother, etc. Fox showed photos of the 6 who died. So sad. And the little 9 year old Patriot...unbelievably heart wrenching.

The level of frustration among conservatism vs liberalism (and vice versa) hasn't happened overnight. And it's not going to go away overnight. People are sick and tired of the taxes, the waste, the abuse of entitlements. As long as this continues, things will not change. Hope is in the new Congress and 2012. What else do we have?

kadeeb · January 2011

alpal and shirley,

You are so right.

Anonymous · January 2011

Fox interviewed one of his teachers from college - before he was kicked out. The teacher said he actually feared having his back to the chalk board when he was in his class. He said he feared being shot by him. What am I missing...why the hell DIDN'T the teacher do more than simply get him kicked out? Unless I'm missing something, this teacher seems negligent.

pip57 · January 2011

"Also recovered in the safe was an envelope with handwriting on the envelope stating "I planned ahead" and "My assassination" and the name "Giffords," along with what appears to be LOUGHNER's signature," the criminal complaint reads.

It seems that we can now answer the question of whether or not this was a random act. It was obviously directed at a political figure. That seems to coincide with eyewitness accounts.

kadeeb · January 2011

Laura, in all honesty I don't believe that a perfect society (if one could actually exist ) would have stopped this man. For whatever reason he fabricated, he took the lives of not only his target but had disregard for the child and the elderly with which he had no issue. For all he knew, they could have been there on the opposition side. He wanted to kill. He did and I doubt even he could make us understand why. He was trying to reload. God forbid! I can only imagine the carnage if he had been successful.

sunny210 · January 2011

Two thumbs up to Beesie's post a couple of pages back, to 208sandy and others who have urged us to reign in our speculation about the killer's motives and to focus on the real tragedy here. Six families were in all likelihood anticipating a nice weekend on Saturday morning, and by Sunday, these same families are planning funerals for their loved ones. Fourteen other families are dealing with injuries, and some are wondering if true recovery is possible.

And what are we and much of the rest of the country doing? Arguing. Who's fault is it? Who is mean, meaner, meanest? Let's just stop. I don't see what the inflammatory rhetoric accomplishes other than to - well, inflame. And that does not help the current situation, or help to resolve other problems that our country is facing now.

Another Sandy

Bren-2007 · January 2011

Thanks Sunny/Sandy .. I understand what you're saying.

I think in the wake of the tragedy of something so mind boggling as the attempted assassination of a political figure and innocent bystanders that it is normal to look for something to blame. It's a reaction formed from helplessness. Doesn't make it right or even logical, but I think it is normal.

Once the shock wears down and more facts are known, I believe the need to blame will lay solely on the man who killed and injured all those people.

JMO.

Bren

Anonymous · January 2011

This thread is all about discussion. I see nothing wrong with discussing his motive or defending ridiculous accusations. Just saying...

kadeeb - I realize it's not a perfect society. But come on, if I thought someone was going to possibly shoot me in the back, I'd try to see that they got help. Not only for my safety, but for the safety of the other students and himself as well. I realize everyone doesn't react the same. But, I just wish that teacher would have been more diligent. He probably thought that by getting him kicked out, it would solve the problem. And I realize 20/20 hindsight is easy, but again, I can't help but think perhaps this could have been avoided. More will come out as times goes by.

BarbaraA · January 2011

Sorry for the long post. Out of town and computer-less.

Allison, I agree our politicans and everyone in general needs to be more civil. My mother would have made me sit in my room for hours doing something 1/100th as rude as the stuff I am seeing more and more every day. Also wanted to add that I did not appreciate being sent to a website that wanted info from me before I could read the article. I passed.

Laura interesting story about Piven. Got my research cut out for me.

Elizabeth, so sorry the deleteers picked you this time. We have a rule and they didn't follow it. I can't wait until we can see who they are then all bets are off.

PatMom, loved the blinking ear!

It took me an hour to read the 8 pages. Yikes.

I am praying for all the people involved. So tragic. I have a mentally ill brother and this hits very close to home for me.

BarbaraA · January 2011

2tzus, I was going to point that out but I guessed that Sandy hadn't been with us long enough to understand what our threads are about. Honest discourse between fellow BCO members. No Tattling, no Personal attacks, just honest discourse. Of course we disagree! We are all very different but here we are free to disagree civilly.

Medigal · January 2011

Sandy: We spent a lot of posts discussing the deaths by the nutcase and many like myself don't need you to tell us to pray for them. I DID, the same night! I resent your wanting to call in Melissa on us just because we changed topics. Have we not that right? I don't think you have the right to decide what we can and cannot discuss. (Only BLUE does! Wink

). Maybe you would prefer we go back to my "pickled pigs feet" but I think the Pivens topic would be more preferable at this time. I have the info I wanted about her so I have no need to further the discussion about her but I am not ending it just because "you" want Melissa to "catch" us. That is NOT in keeping with the precepts of why "this" thread was started by Blue. BTW, if any one tries to delete us, I do hope Melissa will keep her word and let us know who they are. It is only fair to be able to face our accusers.

AnneW · January 2011

Blue: I agree with you100% (a few pages back.) A nut job with a trigger.

And he got that trigger so damned easily. Despite his history.

kadeeb · January 2011

Hey, I know something that might cool off this thread for a minute or two. How about the fact that I am supposed to get 6-9 inches of snow tonight in north alabama. I only bring this up to say that work is off for tomorrow and with 9 inches of snow, no one is going anywhere around here for a day or two at the least and I will be able to read and post because I'll be home bound till who knows when. No one knows how to drive in this and there is no more milk, bread or eggs for 3 counties in either direction. Time to hunker down and enjoy the scenery.

Anonymous · January 2011

The sheriff is still spewing his rhetoric. Now he's blaming Sharon Angle for something she said and, of course, Sarah Palin for her "cross hairs."

I'm signing off. I just want to add...I am truly saddened by the loss of lives (and that dear little girl) and the injuries suffered by innocent victims. My hope and prayer will be that Congresswoman Giffords recovers and that she will be able to go back to the job she so loved.

kadeeb · January 2011

Shirley,

That sounds like a good thought for all of us tonight. Sleep well!

BarbaraA · January 2011

Shirley and all, I will add my prayers to all the survivors and Congresswoman Giffords.

otter · January 2011

Same here -- let the healing begin.

And, kadeeb, you'd better hope you don't lose your electricity tonight, or you won't be reading and posting tomorrow after all! Or, did you go to Home Depot and get a generator just so you can keep your 'puter plugged in?

Unlike kadeeb, we're supposed to be getting sleet and freezing rain here tonight (instead of snow). Time to put another log on the fire, and snuggle under the blankets. We're planning to keep our TV system powered up, since there's a football game tomorrow that needs to be watched.

otter

revkat · January 2011

I am going to take exception with Shirley saying "the sheriff is spewing his rhetoric". This is a man who knows about ALL the threats that have been made against public officials in his area, because he has a responsibility to try to maintain order. He knows far more than any of us about the content of the 200 threats in one day that the federal judge who was killed received. He investigated the vandalism at Rep. Giffords office following the health care vote. He is not "spewing rhetoric", he is speaking out of his EXPERIENCE (yes, I am yelling), of what he has heard and seen. And he is grieving the loss of the 6 lives and injuries to others whom he has sworn to protect and defend.

It's easy to lob insults from behind a computer. The sheriff is out there everyday dealing with reality.

revkat · January 2011

Wow. That is incredibly hateful and arrogant. You've really think you are qualified to judge the performance of the Sheriff of Pima County and how his department is carrying out an investigation? You really think that calling him names makes you somehow better than he is?

He knows the content of the many many threats that public officials in his county have received in the last two years. Perhaps his statements are made out of knowledge not ignorance. But they don't fit in your little box so you call him names. Wow.

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