Is it me or is this offensive?

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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2011

    I think the movie "An Officer and a Gentleman" started it all with Debra Wingers (?) "bodacious ta tas".

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited January 2011

    I laughed when i saw the advert encouraging men: "Don't be a spanner, Check your nuts!" (testicular cancer awareness) which i think is in the same vein, but i do totally agree with Leah, stuff the tits, it's women's lives we need to be saving, not boobs. I also think a doctor's office is an insensitive place to put it, especially an oncologist office, but a public place would probably good, maybe the library or the sports centre, for raising awareness. We are only too well aware already. But there are lives needlessly wasted when women don't bother to go for screening or to report dubious symptoms to their doc and then present late with advanced disease, these are the people we need to be  reaching out to.

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited January 2011

    Beesie, you made me laugh... very funny. Like most, I feel it's offensive, especially in a doc's office. It' is so much more than about breasts -- it is about lives. The other thing is like others have said, it objectifies us -- as someone who lost her breasts to this disease, it is hurtful ...... While I think I still have a good sense of humour, I find it hard to find anything funny about breast cancer.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited January 2011

    Too many comments to read them all at once...but you gals are too funny!!!  I don't ever recall hearing the words "ta-ta", sisters, twins or similar things in regards to breasts....remember boobs, tits (sorry that really does sound gross)......I still don't get "save the ta-tas", but "tee off for ta-tas''''is kind of not my choice of words, but if it is a fundraiser, maybe thats why it was posted in the onc's office.....Since it bothers you, I think its important to say something to the people in the onc's office, just so that can tell you why they put it up......I guess the older I get, the more I let some of these sayings just roll off my back....plus when it comes to raising money for the beast....either for research, to help women in Tx or whatever, I pretty much ignore the sayings....but that is not to say that I lilke pink cuisinarts or pink vacuums!!!!  Need to come back later and read more of the comments....Happy 2011 to the greatest bunch of gals :)

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited January 2011

    It's offensive.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited January 2011

    I haven't read all the posts here but as someone who just had a BMX this past August I  get a little pieved regardless of the language when the focus is "save the breasts". I don't have breasts anymore so the message is totally screwed up.

    I had no idea how awful this disease is till I became a member of the club. I never truly understood what "find a cure" ment. This is what we need to educate peope about not just saving breasts… it 's about saving lives right!?

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited January 2011

    Lago....well said :)

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited January 2011

    I had a single mast, would this be saying save the "ta"?

    I too find it offensive but it could be an age thing, I am 68 so

    maybe the younger gals can identify with the  phrase..

    but not in an oncologist's office..

    Beesie you are too funny

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited January 2011

    Well, I'm 10 years younger than Lisa and I find the phrase offensive. (Maybe that means we're both old?)

    I do owe some of you an apology, and it might as well be offered here in this thread.  Awhile back, on the "dumb things" thread I think, there was a flurry of posts offering funny suggestions for campaigns against genital cancers in men (prostate, testicular, etc.).  I got all bent out of shape about those posts, arguing that they were in very poor taste and were the sort of thing we would rail against, if the body parts were ours instead of our husbands' or brothers'.  I apologize for being so, um, ... preachy.

    I still think those posts were in poor taste and I still think the guys in our lives would be offended if they read them. (Mine would, anyway.)  But at the moment, I don't care about bad taste or offending people with wicked humor.  I have good days and sour days.  Today is an unripe persimmon.

    For me, the stuff about ta-ta's etc. is kind of like ethnic or regional jokes.  They're fine if we are telling them about ourselves (and if we're comfortable with that).  Jeff Foxworthy can tell jokes about Southerners because he is a Southerner.  Garrison Keillor can tell jokes about Scandinavians and Lutherans because he is one of them.  (I'm making some assumptions there.)  We can tell jokes about breasts and hot flashes and chemo brain etc., because we're laughing among ourselves, about ourselves.

    But, woe unto anyone else who is presumptuous enough to tell jokes about a body part he/she does not possess, or an ethnic custom his/her family does not follow, or a part of the country in which he/she does not live.

    Okay. So, that's what I think... unless it's a persimmon day.  The rules are set aside and anything goes on persimmon days.

    otter

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited January 2011

    Yes, I find it offensive.  Not only the stupid use of words - but like Lago pointed out, the message that it is crucial to even save them.   What about a tee off for Cancer instead of for Ta ta's since many women have lost their breasts.  

    Yes, very poor taste.  

  • Anjanita
    Anjanita Member Posts: 252
    edited January 2011

    I had a chuckle when I read the "tee off. . ." part and my first thought was it was suggesting taking our tee-shirts off!  R-i-i-ight.

     I personally think the expression ta-tas is kind of a cute expression for the breasts.  As others have hinted at here these sorts of things seem best kept amongst friends and don't seem particularly appropriate in a doctor's office where the serious biz of healing is involved.

    A sign of the times?  Nothing is sacred?  Sometimes it seems that way.  And we never know where someone else's head is when they think they're doing something funny.  And they don't know where our heads are either.  Heh.

     There's always moderation - a little laughter; a few tears.  Both seem appropriate for the healing process.  My thought is to save those offended feelings for the big stuff.  It takes a lot of energy to heal and I suspect that dwelling on negative feelings could be an impediment.

     Or another way I think about it when I feel offended is, if it doesn't apply shrug it off.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited January 2011

    It's just become almost a public joke - the slang, the pictures of happy, healthy women running around in their pink logo hats, the ridiculous names.   As we all know, BC is very serious.   I don't see this kind of light-hearted tactic being used with other deadly diseases.   It needs to be treated like the serious disease that it is.   Tee off for breast cancer would have been far more appropriate.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2011

    But it DOES apply! At least to those of us who've lost a breast or two. I'd be more than pleased to know they were tee-ing off to save my life!

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited January 2011

    I wonder if they were doing it for testicular cancer if they would have a " tee off for the family jewels" .   I doubt it.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2011

    Tee off for the testes

    Tee off for the tiger (in your pants)

    Batting for balls

    (Bowling's been done...uh...)

    Swinging for the scrotum

    uh

  • BaseballFan
    BaseballFan Member Posts: 859
    edited January 2011

    The more I read this thread...the more I feel offended by the slogan.  "Save the Ta-Tas" reminds me of something I'd hear from a 16 year old high school boy.  Breast cancer research and fundraising should be about saving lives....not making the event sound like a fraternity outing.  There are real husbands out there that would give up their wives breasts to have her healthy again.  They care about savingt their wives lives....not the ta-tas.  My breasts are responsible for this horrible disease I have to deal with.  I guess I'm not too happy with them right now.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2011

    My husband DID give up his wife's breasts for the disease. AND he golfs. AND he would be offended by the poster!

  • Anjanita
    Anjanita Member Posts: 252
    edited January 2011

    Barbe, I think I need to elaborate on the ". . .if it doesn't apply. . ."  What I'm thinking is that no one specifically is targeting any one of us.  A thoughtless ad writer did it, I'm assuming, thinking it would lighten a dire disease.  A golf tournament is supposed to be fun or people wouldn't want to go.

    I doubt very much that the person intended offense.  That would be counterproductive to the cause. So why take umbrage and stress an already stressed sytem?

     Certainly it is our choice, perhaps even right, to be a little touchy and easily offended.  If we don't also have the right to choose our feelings then why choose to feel irritated when you don't have to.

     Does that make more sense?

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited January 2011

    I can't think of a single disease (other than BC) where campaigns attempt to be light-hearted in their endeavors to fundraise and promote awareness.   I don't know why this is.   Why is BC treated less seriously? 

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited January 2011

    I hesitated before I included the slogans for men's cancers in my earlier post because I didn't want to offend anyone and frankly, while they are funny, when you consider those slogans in the context of men's cancers, they are also offensive.  But I think that makes the point.  We aren't taking those slogans seriously because obviously they would never actually be used.  And that's what makes Tee off for the Tas Tas so offensive - the fact that it should be a joke but instead it's actually the real slogan being used to promote a breast cancer fund raiser.  We can laugh at the men's slogans but if anyone actually tried to use one of those, they would never get away with it. And therein lies the problem - the fact that in our society people can use a slogan that is equally offensive about women and very few people blink an eye.  

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2011

    To Anjanita: Not really (doesn't explain). It was posted in an oncologist's office. Duh. Cancer!

    I have attended dozens of golf tournaments over the years. Some serious causes, most just for fun. I don't even think what it's for while I'm playing. Once I pay my fee, I'm in. When/if I get a goody bag at the end, that's usually where the "cause" is evident.

    As for the poster, of course the person didn't intend to offend! But they did. They thought they were being cute. They weren't. I'm also not taking umbrage, but just pointing out that it does apply to those of us who lost our breasts. And I'm not irritated. It takes a lot more than that to irritate me. I just look at it as thoughtless and ignorant.

    And I'm certainly not paranoid enough to think they are targetting me personally. In fact, I'm a whole country away! Kiss

  • jessicav
    jessicav Member Posts: 161
    edited January 2011

    definitely offensive and adolescent. Shows lack of education, awareness, tact or class.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited January 2011

    And in their quest to make light of a deadly disease, they might be raising less money and awareness than if they promoted it as the serious disease that it is.  

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2011
  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited January 2011

    Thanks, Beesie.  Good point.

    otter

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited January 2011

    I was laughing so hard and my husband asked what i was laughing about i told him and read some of the funny things that were said, he said he found it offensive about the tata's too but went on to say how it was offensive of our remarks so i pointed out that he was missing the point, and that it was just being said on how would they feel if we did, blah,blah, blah, we fought and i fianlly said go jump in the lake D...k head- now im MAD at HIM!!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2011
    MY DH just came up with Putting for Penises. He DOES get it.
  • BaseballFan
    BaseballFan Member Posts: 859
    edited January 2011

    I'll bet a million bucks we'll never see that poster!!!  LOL

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited January 2011

    Fearless_One, you make really good points -- there are plenty of fundraisers for other conditions, and none are treated frivolously.  I am familiar through my job with lots of fundraising for arthritis and lupus, including golf outings -- these are all advertised very earnestly and do very well.

    Your comments got me "googling" other golf fundraisers.  None of them make light of the causes for which they are raising funds [cancer research in general, ALS (Lou Gehrig's disease), the Make a Wish Foundation, etc., etc,] -- and people who golf will enjoy golfing -- they don't need a "funny title" to make it "fun."

    I can't imagine this Alzheimer's Golf Outing would EVER promote itself  with a tagline like "Say Fore! for the Forgetful!" -- it's immediately obvious how offensive that would be, and TOTALLY guaranteed to be a fundraising failure...

    P.S.  Editing to add -- I can't even laugh at "Say Fore for the Forgetful" in the way I could giggle at "Putting for Penises" -- I feel like I have to add the disclaimer that my mom has Alzheimer's (and was a great golfer for most of her life) -- weird little "examination of conscience" for me to see which of these joking titles are still a little amusing to me (male body parts), which are completely unfunny (Alzheimer's) and which it would be too horrifying to even try to think of an analogous "joke" (children's conditions...)

  • BaseballFan
    BaseballFan Member Posts: 859
    edited January 2011

    AnnNYC - Love your analogy about alzheimer's.  That proves it best so far.

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