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Tabbymom
Tabbymom Member Posts: 22

I am currently living in a toxic home environment, with my emotionally abusive mother, but from whom I get a good deal on rent (comes to about 35% of my take home pay).   I have completed treatment - surgery and chemo, during which I took care of myself 100%, as she would not even offer to get me anything from the grocery store while I was in treatment.   Okay, no big deal - but here is my dilema.   I wish to move out of state where I can afford my own little apartment (I am a bookkeeper), but I worry about the cancer metastazing then at some point I would not be able to work and would lose the roof over my head.   At least now, if it spread - I would not be homeless.  Now, would I be able to get social security if I became stage IV (I have worked my whole life)?   I am stage II, but had a fairly agressive tumor w/2 lymph nodes +.   She also smokes 2-3 packs a day which makes me ill, but it's her house, so I understand.   I am not a kid, I am 45 years old, and have only recently moved in here to save money as I can no longer afford rents in the city where I live  (she only charges me $370 a month).

Would you stay in the bad environment, or move away taking the risk that the cancer might spread and then you would not be able to work and then what would happen to me?  

I am sorry this is so long, please tell me would you want to leave and start a new life or would you be too scared the beast would come back?

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  • Tabbymom
    Tabbymom Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2010

    Anyone?   I would love to hear your opinion on this......on what you would do? 

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited December 2010

    Tabbymom -- my goodness!  MOVE!  It sounds like your fears about the future are totally overwhelming the present.  And dwelling on a negative that may never happen sounds like a surefire way to possibly bring it on, at least to me. 

    I know the economy and job market are rough right now.  But if you can line up a new job and an affordable living situation -- even with a happy, positive roommate -- I think it would do you a world of good.  The last thing any of us needs in our lives is "toxic."  IMO, you absolutely need to get out of the living situation you're in, find new friends and interests, and start living for today.

    Your post doesn't indicate when you were diagosed or underwent treatment, but moving on is something most of us experience some issues with -- no matter what our home environment.  It can be very tough to find our "new normal" after bc.  Maybe talk to the psychologist or counselor where you were treated.  Most cancer centers have them and many make them available as part of your treatment.  Someone like that will understand your fears and hopefully be able to give you some new coping strategies to help you move forward.    

    I'm glad you've found BCO, and I hope you'll stay with us and let us know what you decide and how you're doing.    Deanna

  • lauri
    lauri Member Posts: 267
    edited December 2010

    OK, here's what I am doing.  At Stage III, with a mother whose BC metastisized after 5 years and three years later killed her, I REFUSE to live my life full of "what if it comes back" -- IF it comes back, I'll deal with it then.  In the meantime, I try to pack lots of good stuff into my life.

    Yes, if you get to Stage IV and you're unable to work  you could get Social Security Disability.  And it doesn't matter which state you're living in. 

     So -- if I were you, I'd go where I'd be happy NOW.

  • Tabbymom
    Tabbymom Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2010

    Thank you....Dlb, I have been done with treatment for a few months now and feel good physically.   Am just paralyzed about fear of it spreading and then I wouldn't have a place to live.   Lauri, thank you - I figured if that happens I could probably get disability, but wasn't sure.

  • SpunkyGirl
    SpunkyGirl Member Posts: 1,568
    edited December 2010

    RUN!  Life is too short for you to deal with that environment, and your mom's second hand smoke is as toxic as she is for you.  Do your research and try to find a place where the job market may be more suited to what you can do.  Good luck...I can't imagine your dilemma.  I hope it all works out for you.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited December 2010

    Tabbymom, I just want to give you a heads up on the 5 posts per 24-hr. period for new BCO members, which is done to prevent scamming.  It's something most of us found out about the hard way -- posting 5x and getting shut out for 24 hrs.  If that happens and you want to continue talking to anyone, you can click on their avatar or screen name, and it will take you to a page with a Private Message (PM) feature that's unlimited.  Just thought you'd like to know!    Deanna

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited December 2010

    RUN don't walk away! You need to take care of you and with your skillset, you should be able to find a nice bookkeeping job and maybe even do people's taxes in the evenings. Best wishes for you but I would get away FAST!

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited December 2010

    I'd move out and take my chance...what if the cancer does come back...what if it doesn't and then you've stayed there all those years for a "what if".  Deal with things as life throws them at you, not assuming they will.  I'm sure living in the stressful situation is not helping and if anything its adding to your condition.  I had a very stressful job and situation when I was dx and beleive in my heart it was a cause for my BC.  Good luck and stay strong. 

  • Laurie08
    Laurie08 Member Posts: 2,891
    edited December 2010

    Move!  Think positive!  Hopefully you won't have mets- ever- but life is about being happy, not waiting for the other shoe to drop.  What would make you happy?  Find that answer and do it.  When my Mom was diagnosed at stage IV, she said "well who knows what will happen now?  But I'll tell you one thing, I'm going to have fun."  She went on 2 trips a year to places she never had time to go to.  She would have a Margarita with lunch, just because she wanted one.  She put M & M's on her ice cream.  If it made her smile, gave her something to look forward to, she did it.  More often than not she would say...."well, why not?"  I try to follow her lead in life, it makes you smile- is it really bad?  Find what makes you smile :)

  • Tabbymom
    Tabbymom Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2010

    Jenny, it is interesting that I was diagnosed within 2 years of moving in with her.   They say cancer takes longer than that, but maybe it was the catylyst for it, I don't know....

    I remember after having my port removed (doctor said no lifting so not to pop the stitches), she got angry about changing the litter box.  It's a big box (for her cats, not just mine), and very heavy.   It was the day after I had my port removed.   Just little things like that I keep remembering.

  • meme31
    meme31 Member Posts: 403
    edited December 2010

    move move move, if you get something worse down the line you might have to figure it out but it is defintitely worth it.  You might be surprised at the rent in smaller more rural towns, could be much more affordable.  Then you make friends and start a new church.  There could be lots of support you had no idea existed.  So there you go, whole new life planned out-lol!  Good luck and you can do it!

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited December 2010

    Go!!! Even if it would come back, that's all the more reason to live the life you want NOW!!!!

  • Tundra
    Tundra Member Posts: 136
    edited August 2013

    Tabbymom,

    I'm so sorry to read about your situation. I have no idea how you live with the cig smoke. I had an apt that was above a chain smoker who was home all day smoking from morning to night and I can't help but wonder if if brought on my bc. Even without the personality things you've descripbed about your mom it sounds toxic.

    Leaving sounds like such a great plan! Trust life. Changing your environment can have such a powerfuly positive effect on your health (both mental and physical). 

    You don't need or deserve to deal with that badness. You could make a truly beautiful life for yourself. It doesn't take much to be happy in a cute little apartment.

    Godspeed!

  • junie
    junie Member Posts: 1,216
    edited December 2010

    gentle hugggssss, Tabby.   I don't think you're going to get much support telling you to stay put!    Sounds to me like what you have gone through so far, you have basically done alone.    Go make a life for yourself and find some peace.   Don't stress the recurrence aspect--even if you stay put, sounds like you'd be dealing with it alone anyway.   Good luck and best wishes as you start your new life--get going!!!! 

  • Mazy1959
    Mazy1959 Member Posts: 1,431
    edited December 2010

    Tabby,

    If u were to get mets, u should be able to have time to get new living arrangements. Maybe a social worker at your cancer center could advise you on this cause it varies depending on where u live. There r many nice  apartments in my city that are based on income and allow u to have a cat LOL. I understand your situation and I truly believe that stress can be an iginiter for cancer laying in wait (my opinion). I was healthy all my life and 12 years ago had a major major major depression, stress etc from a family situation. Within 3 months I had 2 precancerous polyps removed from my colon and was in general weakend. Over time, I started having pain all over bad enough that I had to change how I did things and couldnt do other things at all. As my stress grew...so did my physical changes. I am not nor have I ever been a weak person. I've always been a person who would work if I didnt feel good etc. I tried to ignore things, thinking it was from my emotional problems. Funny, but when I was first diagnosed with stage 2 ILC...alot of my stress left me. I wasnt focused on my family probs anymore because I wanted to live and used my mind and strength to do so. So get yourself away from your toxic momma !!!!! There are programs that can help you if you get mets. People to come help with housework etc. So go ahead and move on and plan on living. Luv & hugs, Mazy

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited December 2010
    here i am, with the same advice.. move.. but, plan ahead, if you can "scout" out a place to go that youcould afford, and try to interview for new jobs there. the suggestion of the social worker is an excellent one!! you already have the need in you, or you wouldn't have asked! no one needsto live with someone who doesn't give a s***! i was married a long time, putting up with crap Before bc. i was scared, with 3 little kids. even WITH bc; im happier than i was then. i've grown into a woman im proud of, because of thast decision. and, im married 20 yrs to a man who adores me. helped every which way whenever he could. he's stuck by me with a dx of MS. 3 strokes, and now bc... this chasnge may change your life in ways you could never imagine. and, yes, SSDI is available to you if you get sick again. you might never, without the stress where your'e living now.   wishing you well, and a Happy Holiday..     3jaysmom
  • Tabbymom
    Tabbymom Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2010

    Guess it's a unanymous vote, lol!   Thank you so much.  You ladies made me feel so much better about this decision.   I will continue doing research as for as cities with affordable rents along with a certain amount of job availablity.   I can do this, I think.....   I'll just live as I did before and try not to worry about the mets and cross that bridge if it happens.  

     Like Junie said, everything I did since BC, I have done alone, anyways.

  • Mazy1959
    Mazy1959 Member Posts: 1,431
    edited December 2010

    Tabby,

    May I ask what state u live in? I live in Quincy, Illinois. I like planning ahead too and totally understand your concerns. I would live like its not coming back for the most part but always have a plan B in the back of your mind. Dont let the worry of it coming back consume you. It will do no good constantly worrying about it. Go for any follow up appointments, check yourself religiously and if u get unusual symptoms ( like pain etc) that last more than 2 weeks or is severe...go get it checked by your oncologist. For example..if u have an pain in your back that wasnt there before or a pain that has always been there but gets much worse,  and it lasts for 2 weeks or gets severe...get checked. Unexplained weight loss, bowel changes, etc, etc. Most peope do not get mets and I hope you are one of them. Hugs, Mazy

  • JOxnop
    JOxnop Member Posts: 24
    edited December 2010

    If you don't reach stage IV on your own then the second hand cigarette smoke from your mother will help push you into it.  As a stage IV person myself it is all to obvious to me that life it too short to spend it with people that aren't good for you.

  • Tabbymom
    Tabbymom Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2010

    I have definitely decided I want to go.   Even if we had a great relationship, I can't deal with the cigarette smoke (I agree, JOxnop).   Mazy, I live in Florida and is very expensive to live here, but I don't like it here anyways.   I don't even like hot weather.    I would be perfectly happy in the midwest, I think.   I find most of the coastal areas (both east and west) unaffordable on my income. 

    I have 2 surgeries pending (robotic hysterectomy in 3 weeks and MX w/recon in Spring).   So hopefully after that I can set something in action. 

  • Monty
    Monty Member Posts: 197
    edited December 2010

    Hi

    I would leave!  The chances of the cancer coming back may not be huge and you could end up living in this environment for a long. long time.  Take your chances, you are still young enough to go out into the big world and take care of yourself and probably have a good quality of life.  That's just my opinion.

  • Gingerbrew
    Gingerbrew Member Posts: 2,859
    edited December 2010

    As you plan your move try not to argue with your mom, that alone will reduce your stress.

    I think the advice you have been given to find a new church and make friends is very valuable. I worked with homeless women and families for years. Invariably they had alienated their safety net. People who have been in abusive situations are often damaged by those experiences and need extra help maintaining existing and new relationships. Groups at church or in the community like adult chicldren of alcoholics and disfunctional families are a very good place to relearn the life skills you lose out on when you have a rejecting mother. It is called ACOA or ACA and is a safe place to be.

    Please keep us up to date on your path.

    GInger

  • Sierra
    Sierra Member Posts: 1,638
    edited August 2013

    Hi there

    I would advise

    you not to stay in any toxic situation

    and would share

    that..

    my illness took most of my funds

    dental and still paying

    so I had to move into

    residence.. Im just in a small apt

    but I tell you much happier

    and have also distanced some toxic people

    who were in my life

    At this point, I am almost 11 years out

    I wish you well

    and believe in yourself

    just be careful

    Pray, something will come your way

    when you close a door

    a new one opens for you

    Make sure you do good research before

    and if you move

    Hugs out to you

    Sierra :)

    oops  just saw you are in smoke

    You cant have that ..

  • Jainey
    Jainey Member Posts: 109
    edited December 2010
    Hey ... life sucks ... even to be me sometimes! CoolOf course you know that no one can tell you what to do ... I can tell you from what I have read what I would do, and of course it would only be food for thought ...  but always nice to have input when having to make some large decisions in life ... normally what I do is 'nothing' until I have done my homework and made some decisions ... But ... In this case ... if it were me ... I would want to remove myself from the toxic environment (both emotionally and physically -the smoking) as it would give me cancer again ... I would plan my departure (research where I am going,what I will be doing, apply for work etc) ... I would give myself timelines so that I stay on track ... I would kindly leave with love and forgiveness and make sure that my mother was aware of how I need to go forward and stay healthy for me AND that my move was all about me and not her ... NOW this all does sound good on paper and if not the case ... I would quietly leave when noone was aware and leave a forgiveness and loving note to voice what I had just said ... If I believe in myself and a power greater than myself and the doors seem to open in the direction that I have chosen ... It will all be good! There are always more big decisions that have to be made along the journey ... Just enjoy the Journey! All the best ... YOU will know what is right for you. Peace Happiness and Health. Jainey
  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited December 2010

    Tabby, living in a toxic envirnment hurts your immune system...you need that more than

    worrying about what might happen....

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited August 2013

    What would I do?  I would move, instantly.

    Your cancer probably will never come back.  And, you will then have spent many years living with what you describe as a toxic, abusive person whom you don't like and who is negative. 

    For what?  Cheap rent?  You sure sell yourself short.

    If your cancer does come back, then who is to say you can't move back there at that time?  But, for now, you are cancer-free, are highly likely to remain cancer-free and you should move on with your life.  

    Frankly, there is no amount of money that would get me to live with my alcoholic, mean-spirited mother.  So, I get where you are coming from about not having a loving parent but you are 45 now - time to cut the cord and get the hell away from her.

    As for your question - if you become Stage IV you can get disability.  There are many groups who will likely help you should that occur.  There are some companies - my own, for example, that will give you full pay for a year if you are dx'd with a terminal illness.   If you are a church-going woman, then join a church wherever you move and make friends.  Those folks will likely help in a time of need.  Others are willing too - whereever you go you can build a support system so that if the unlikely happens - you have others to rely on.  

    You don't need your mother, but for some reasons she has done something to you that makes you think you do.  

    I would leave.

  • Tabbymom
    Tabbymom Member Posts: 22
    edited December 2010

    CoolBreeze, I have only lived with her about 3 years, for financial reasons.    She only charges me about half of what an apartment here would cost me.  So that is my "need".   It is not emotional, just financial.   I am not selling myself short, but I am a bookkeeper with no liquid assets.   So I worry about making it on my piddly salary, I know apartments are expensive.  I would need to find something for around $400 to even move and I don't know if that is possible to find something so cheap.   That is why I have stayed here.   I lived alone for many years, but rents rise as my salary stays the same.   

    She does not drink, but yes, is mean-spirited.   I hope you all are right about the chances of mets being low.   My onc says 15%.   I guess I will ride with that number and pray and keep doing my research .  

  • nextstepsfromhere
    nextstepsfromhere Member Posts: 26
    edited December 2010

    Tabbymom,

    I was dx with stage III, BRCA II+, I am the mother of 3, two young ones ages 3 and 5.  I did tx, surgery, radiation, ooph.  My husband was horrible to me through every minute of it....it makes me sad to think of what an #$%^ he is.  5 months after treatment, I left.  I rented a truck, bought furniture from craigslist and moved out.  It is scary at times.  My insurance is through his employer and they will drop me as soon as our divorce goes through....but I do believe that the negativity and hatefulness was worse on my condition than facing the unknown.  I SO ENJOY the new found calm and peace in my life without him.  It is still stressful, now being a single parent, worrying sometimes about insurance and what I will do "IF" it comes back...but I just tell myself to stop the thought and turn it around...what if it doesn't come back??  Am I going to live for years in his hell just in case I am going to die?  If it gets to the very end--there is hospice services!!  And yes, disability payments... move on and enjoy the freedom!  Enjoy the clean air.  Enjoy peace at night when you go to bed and your own fresh coffee in the morning!  Best wishes dear!

  • Alyad
    Alyad Member Posts: 817
    edited December 2010

    Tabbymom- the midwest is so much more affordable than the coasts-  I bought a house in southwest MO for 75k- fixer upper in a nice town, decent neighborhood- my house payment is 425 a month.

    Maybe you and Hadley could be roommates- you both need to get out of your living situation ASAP!!

  • Gingerbrew
    Gingerbrew Member Posts: 2,859
    edited December 2010

    Jainey, I really like what you suggested about how to leave. Leaving with a forgiving heart will only make the future brighter.

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