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shelbytroy12
shelbytroy12 Member Posts: 26
edited June 2014 in Stage I Breast Cancer

My oncologist recommended I do ovarian suppression in addition to tamoxifen.  I haven't seen a lot of posts about this treatment option.  Are others doing it?  From what I know it seems like it would be a good thing to do if you have hormone positive cancer. But again, I don't see much mention of it.  Interested in your thoughts.  Thanks.

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  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited November 2010

    Hi

    I do lupron--1 shot per month--I was pre-menopausal at dx--I could not take tamox-had to take an AI and they had to put me in menopause for that..it was a little tough at first, it is a quick decline in estrogen, but it has been a while now and I am adapting.  I just turned 50 so the thinking is that I will be in menopause soon and at that point, can go off the lupron and just keep taking the AI.... 

  • shelbytroy12
    shelbytroy12 Member Posts: 26
    edited November 2010

    why couldn't you take tamoxifen? I have been recommended to do ovarian suppression to reduce my chances of recurrence in addition to tamoxifen.  I was wondering if others were given the same option. 

  • nikola
    nikola Member Posts: 466
    edited November 2010

    Hi,

    I was given option of inj because I could not receive Tamoxifen due to clotting issues. I also had pituitary gland problems in the past and Lupron/Zoladex can cause some additional problems to te gland so I am considering ovary removal.

    How old are You? Inj have some serious side effects and me being 43 meant that I would eventually end up with removing my ovaries.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited November 2010

    If you do a "search" on breastcancer.org using the words "Zoladex" or "Lupron" you will see a number of threads regarding ovarian suppression.  You can also "search" "ovarian ablation" and find more information.

    I am currently doing Tamoxifen and Lupron.  From what I've read, it is a very common  treatment for hormone + breast cancer.  Currently there is a clinical trial, The SOFT Trial, trying to determine how effective it is.  The results will be known in a few years.  Until then, you might want to get several opinions from oncologists.  Furthermore, my understanding is that there is no difference in survival if you do it chemically or surgically.

    Good luck.

  • shelbytroy12
    shelbytroy12 Member Posts: 26
    edited November 2010

    Thanks. I will do that.

     I am 45 and am wondering how bad it is to put your body into menopause early.  But if it can help, thinking it might be worth it.  Also, did you have chemo as well?

     I have one doc telling me to consider it and the other's preference is the hormonal therapy (OS plus tamoxifen).  My onco score is 25.

  • doingbetter
    doingbetter Member Posts: 117
    edited November 2010

    I was also offered ovarian suppression in addition to tamoxifen.  One onc thought it might offer a slight benefit, a couple of other docs thought it would be overkill.  As mentioned, there are studies being done now to see how much, if any, additional benefit the two together offer over tamoxifen alone.  I've decided to leave things alone for now and just take the tamoxifen.

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited November 2010

    shelby

    I had a risk of blood clots so no tamox for me--- I had chemo so I was put into temporary menopause anyway--so I just kep t going.... My oncotype was 27 

  • shelbytroy12
    shelbytroy12 Member Posts: 26
    edited November 2010

    doing better - did you need to do chemo as well?  If chemo can also shut down the ovaries - do we get the same benefit?  My onco score is 25 and the docs are not sure if it will benefit me. I am getting different opinions.  I am going crazy trying to figure out the best thing to do.

  • doingbetter
    doingbetter Member Posts: 117
    edited November 2010

    shelbytroy-

    my oncotype score was low enough (10) that it was not felt chemo would be of much benefit, so I did not do chemo. The thinking seems to be that the menopause many people get as a result of chemo may be what's providing the slight benefit to the hormone positive patients and maybe you can get similar results with the ovarian suppression instead of chemo.  But, unfortunately for us, no one has the clear answer which makes the decision all the harder.

    Have you gotten more than one opinion?  It may be worth seeing at least one other oncologist.  Some of us have even seen more than that...

  • marymoir
    marymoir Member Posts: 245
    edited December 2010

    I have been taking both Tamox & monthly lupron shots for about 8 months now on my oncs recommendation that there was evidence of better outcomes when Lupron was added to Tamox for peri-menopausal women like me.  However, I am planning to try to nail him down at my next visit on just how much of a benefit we're talking about, b/c I'm having SEs that I attribute to the Lupron that I'd rather pass on if the added benefit is only minimal.  I see him in early January, & will try to remember to update here to pass on what he says (assuming all the hubub of the holidays -- along with the Lupron -- doesn't make me totally mental!!)

  • MrsNice
    MrsNice Member Posts: 258
    edited December 2010

    Hi there,

    Thought I'd chime in on this topic.  I'm 47.  I've just finished chemo (didn't do the Oncotype test as I would not have foregone chemo anyway due to micromets in one sentinel node) and am preparing for radiation.  I am also in a clinical trial comparing Tamoxifen to one of the aromatase inhibitors (Arimidex, I think). Being pre-menopausal at dx, I am getting monthly injections of Triptorelin to suppress ovaries, which is basically the same as chemically-induced menopause.  My position is that I'd rather not go through menopause twice, and I don't want to do the monthly injection for the entire 5-year period of the study, so I will be having my ovaries out.  I haven't actually taken a Tamoxifen pill yet, as I am on Prozac which renders Tamoxifen ineffective, so I have to have that changed first.  Also don't know my clotting status, but will be having a blood test to determine it due to Scandinavian ancestry.

    Seriously, how many other factors will we have to consider to stay alive?!

  • cd1234
    cd1234 Member Posts: 169
    edited December 2010

    Hi Everyone,

    I did not have ovary suppression, but I did have an oophorectomy after  I developed a disease that made me unable to take Tamoxifen. I had chemo, took Tamoxifen for 11 months (before new disease) and then ooph. I am 2 months out from the ooph, and I feel great! I am 39, and was very pre-menopausal. The  lack of estrogen has not been bothering me much. The hot flashes are a little intense sometimes, but I have noticed that when I exercise they are much less frequent if at all.

    Take care!

  • saralmom
    saralmom Member Posts: 329
    edited August 2013

    My onc recently suggested an oophorectomy for me.  Her reasoning is based on recent findings that getting and remaining amenorrheic during/after chemo resulted in better outcomes.  My bil is a physician and forwarded me a link to this study a while back and I'll try to find it.  I have an appointment with a gyn next week to discuss the surgery options.  So this is an alternative to the Lupron - my onc prefers not to use Lupron if possible - and since I don't need my ovaries anymore and am fine with the surgery I didn't even ask why.  Also, my onc says that I will likely stay on Tamoxifen after the surgery.

  • hdangelbaby
    hdangelbaby Member Posts: 731
    edited December 2010

    HI! I'm 29 and with BC, in addition to chemo (AC+T), i joined a clinical trial. this trial gives me an ovarian suppression shot every 28 days (triptorelin (sp?)) and when i am done with rads i was randomized to either receive tamox or femara. I got chosen to receive the femara. the study is to see whether putting premenopausal women  into menopause and then giving them an aromatase inhibitor would be a better benefit vs tamox. i do know that you have to be premenopausal and have cancer that only spread to the lymph nodes to be considered for the study.

    if anyone has any questions, please feel free to contact me-- angel

  • HeleneS
    HeleneS Member Posts: 30
    edited December 2010

    I am getting Lupron injections every three months and taking Tamoxifen.  My onc says she's not sure how much extra benefit I'm getting from the Lupron, but I feel safer doing it since I didn't get chemo and my Onco score was in the intermediate range.  She says I can stop it at any time and am hoping the issue will become clarified at some point.  From what I've read it seems that ovarian suppression is generally considered to be effective.

  • adenacb
    adenacb Member Posts: 89
    edited December 2010

    I was on a study that used something different from Lupron, called Triptorellin, to cause ovarian suppression, plus Tamoxifen. All that, plus changing my antidepressant, was very bad. I had lots of side effects like severe hot flashes, difficulty sleeping, etc. I can't say for sure if it was the ovarian suppression, but it wasn't good for me.

    Although if you try ovarian suppression and don't like it, at least you can go off the drug. Once you have your ovaries removed, there's no going back.

    Good luck with your decision.

  • nikola
    nikola Member Posts: 466
    edited December 2010

    I just received my first Zolodex inj. Waiting for SE.

  • Smile_On
    Smile_On Member Posts: 141
    edited February 2011

    I'm still in chemopause, and just started Tamox. Feb. 1.  My onc said that if my periods return I need to call right away and they will start chemically supressing my ovaries to keep me in a menopause state for the next 5 years.  I'm 27, and am hoping to hold off on any oopherectomy/hysterectomy until after I try to have a baby.  Saying that though my fiance and I did decide that my health came first when making these decisions.  I'd love to hear more from those nearing the end of their 5 years on Tamox. & ovarian supression.

  • Klawless9
    Klawless9 Member Posts: 95
    edited April 2011

    I'm 36 and been on tamoxifen for a year and 3 months. have had no real issues with it thank God. My new oncologist suggested i also do the Lupron shot once a month for 2 years. She just told me this on Monday so i have been in overdrive doing research on it.

    Naturally this makes me heart broken because i've always looked forward to having a child and here i am at a point in my life, having to say to myself "might not happen, kid. consider adoption".

    I HATE needles so a needle in the ass is not comforting to me! LOL

    Is it really painful? is there anything to do to numb the area first? LOL

    what kind of side effects have folks had? I know we are all different so some may have none.

    if you did it and have stopped, has your periods come back?

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2011

    The beauty of chemical ovarian suppression is that it usually just puts the ovaries to sleep. Up to 10% of women still break through with periods. You should discuss it more with your physician. As far as being painful, not so much. What's a pain in the arse is scheduling your monthly appointment!

  • marymoir
    marymoir Member Posts: 245
    edited April 2011

    Klawless -- I unfortunately did not have a good experience with Lupron...had monthly shots for about 6 months before I asked my onc. gave me his blessing to stop.  Shots themselves didn't hurt at all (after all the shots/blood draws/IVs for chemo, it was a breeze!), but the Lupron made me so anxious I had panic attacks (and made me a wicked witch to live with -- my poor family!!).  I asked a psychiatrist friend about the situation, and she said she had 2 patients who had the same problem on Lupron (although they were taking it for infertility, not for cancer). 

     My onc. said that it would only affect my odds about 1%, and that if it was affecting my quality of life it probably wasn't worth it.  But it might not have the same affect on you -- I'd just be aware of the potential for anxiety/irritability/depression.  Good luck!!

  • Klawless9
    Klawless9 Member Posts: 95
    edited April 2011

    Voraciousreader-Thank you so much for responding.

    I called my GYN today and she said i should try it and that the good thing about it is that if i have bad side effects from it, i can choose to not take it again.

    One minute i'm feeling like "ok, i'll do whatever preventive stuff they suggest", then the next minute i'm crying because i'm basically being told by my oncologist and gyn "forget having babies.", yet i've heard of er+/pr+ ladies having children after completing their hormonal therapy.

    Just when you think you got over one hill another damn hill appears! smh! Thank God for my faith in God! 

  • marymoir
    marymoir Member Posts: 245
    edited April 2011

    Oh yeah, my periods never returned...but I was 43 when I went through chemo and I've read that the ovaries are not as likely to recover if you're an an "older woman" like me!

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2011

    My doctor gave me the same advice.... Try everything and if you have side effects that are intolerable... Then stop. Like many other diseases you have to balance the side effects and quality of life. Good luck with whatever decision you make.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    I am in the clinical trial where my ovaries have been suppressed with Triptorelin and I'm taking Tamoxifen.  My 5 years will be up at the beginning of August.

    Side effects ... sleep deprivation ... leg cramping ... aching joints ... serious hot flashes, but manageable ... all in all, the first 2 1/2 years were the worst and it has lessened now to pretty much nothing but occasionally feeling warm.

    I'm just hoping I don't come OUT of the menopause when I stop my shots (I'll be 50 in December). 

  • slinky
    slinky Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2011

    I am on Tamoxifen, Lupron shots and I will have a total hysterectomy at the time of my exchange.  No real side effects to complain about - I just hope it stays this way after my hysterectomy!

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited April 2011

    Sige.... You're a hero!!!! I don't know if I would have stuck it out like you! I am embarrassed to say that after taking one or two injections, I had some mild hot flashes and that was it. I am a year in, only will have to do it hopefully another year or two and then hopefully go into natural menopause. I started at 53. My sister had her period until 55!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    LOL...not sure I'm a hero...I just did what I needed to do.  Cancer scared me more than the night sweats and the other stuff :)

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