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Hi All

I am scheduled to have my bilateral surgery in March, but I was wondering if any of you have bought any bras or foobs or even the camisole I hear people talking about.  I dont know if I should be looking to get these things before I go for the surgery or if I have to wait until after...

I am not having any reconstruction so I am not sure what I will need to wear when I come home from the hospital, if I can wear anything or will it be too sore??

I was going to phone my surgeons nurse practitioner but feel a bit silly asking her all this, I know she is very busy..

Also do you think it would be ok to wear second hand button up shirts from a charity shop after the surgery? as long as I wash them well or would I be better to get new ones?? I dont have much money so anything I can get cheap is better so I can spend money on the things that I cant get cheap.  I have read over the lists that people have posted and there is so much to get and I only had a few weeks after Christmas to get it all...

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  • doingbetter
    doingbetter Member Posts: 117
    edited December 2010

    I bought the camisole before surgery and liked having it to use right away.  It came with stuff you could put in the pockets to use as filler, so you don't need to worry about buying any kind of prosthetics yet.  You can't really wear those until you've healed from the surgery anyway.  But, if you want to save some money, you might wait to see what they give you at the hospital.  Most provide you with a couple of surgical bras and those work fine for a while after surgery also.  I just found the camisole more comfortable.  Also, try to contact the American Cancer Society as I believe they will send you some things free of charge.

  • BoobsinaBox
    BoobsinaBox Member Posts: 550
    edited December 2010

    Kezzie,

    My hospital gave me one camisole, and I used it until my drains came out.  Then I got cotton tank tops and wore them until 6 months had passed, got fitted for mastectomy bras and prostheses (foobs) and wore them for a little while.  They were not comfortable for long, and I quit wearing them a few months later.  While I know one woman who got fitted for her prosthesis within 4 weeks, I couldn't have done that, because I was in pain for a long time.  My surgeon did serious nerve damage, and it took months of PT and more than a year of desensitizing myself, before I didn't have regular pain.  I know I'm not the norm, but you won't know how you are until after the surgery.  Also you will experience some post-surgical swelling and there may be some weight gain or loss, depending on a number of factors.  Don't be in a rush to get mast bras and foobs,  Let your body tell you when it is time.  I'll be thinking of you and hoping all goes well for you.  As for second-hand button up shirts, it sounds like an excellent idea!

    You might benefit from checking our bc sister Barbara's non-profit website, http://breastfree.org.  It has a wealth of information, photographs, and personal stories.

    Dawn 

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited December 2010

    I so agree Kezzie. New stuff really doesn't need to be brand new - our family use the phrase "New to me" as well as "pre-loved".  If it came from your sister i'm sure it would be okay, and probably if it came from one if us. You can experiment cheaply with different styles (eg mens check shirts with huge breast pockets, cardigans with wide sleeves, inside-out layering a la teenager, messy patterns that camouflage the shape, bright legwarmes to distract the focus, whatever, ) and a bit like maternity wear there may be things you only need for a few weeks and will then HATE forever as the reminder of a traumatic time - mens shirts or button-throughs may come into this category for you or not! One advantage of taking some time off work, is that you can dress as you like and not get too many comments! Bear in mind March will be different weather from now and if you need to move on to radiation, that might be springtime so if you see any lighterweight stuff don't ignore it - again like preparing for maternity, the shopping and planning can be good fun (Yay, take control!) and better done a bit at a time and early. also helps to spread the budget a bit and less pressure than Oh No it's next Monday and I'm not ready!!

     I saw an advertising poster of a beautiful off-one-shoulder party dress and I wondered - potential disaster after an unreconstructed uni mastectomy??, (it would need to be the right shoulder!!), but after ten months with a stuffed bra since surgery, I feel reasonably presentable most of the time, with clothes on at least, So Im now looking out to try one on in a charity shop somewhere. maybe somewhere else, not in my home town... and I really don't want a pushy, matronly assistant in an expensive fashion shop that i don't feel comfortable in anyhow, "helping" me in the changing room. I might need to laugh or cry, or both. But i'm up for trying.

    Also Kezzie, you have one advantage over me: going bilateral you don't need to worrry about supporting the other remaining boob while protecting the operated side, you have the flat option and honestly people don't look half as much as we think. The "Wardrobe ideas for boobless days, thread, with pictures",  is absolutely fantastic. But you can expect worse problems than me with mobility post-op, possibly both arms restricted for a while, so the issues of getting stuff over you head could be quite important to you, or things that fasten up the back, or have to be tugged up into place or squeezed into. Tip, seriously consider getting a bigger size - nobody else reads the label, but anyone will notice if it splits at the seams!  

    A few things really are better new, once you know that's what you want and/or need. Anything with safety issues like a car baby-seat unless it came from a friend i trusted who had it from new...  or things you really can't clean effectively. But clothes are fine. Happy bargain-hunting!

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited December 2010

    Kezzie, I really obsessed about what I should wear on the way home from the hospital.  (I don't know why I did that.  I never obsess about what I'm wearing any other time.)

    Anyway, I had about 3 weeks between my biopsy dx and my mast; and I really was glued to these boards during that time.  I read here that I would need a post-mast camisole, and that my hospital would probably be providing one. It seemed important to me, because I was having a left mast/SNB only and figured I would need to match the right side.  (I don't know why I thought that. I'm only a 34B/36A, and I go around braless at home most of the time.)

    Being paranoid, I called my surgeon's office a week before my scheduled mast to make sure they would be providing me with a camisole.  My surgeon's secretary said, "Huh?  A what?"  She had no clue what I was talking about.  "No," she said, finally.  "The hospital doesn't give you a camisole, or a surgery bra, or anything.  You'll have to bring your own."

    Great, I thought.  Here I am a week before surgery, needing something that probably will have to be ordered.  "No big deal," the secretary said.  "Just bring a tight sports bra to wear home after your surgery."

    Boy, was she wrong.  There was no way I could have donned a sports bra after my surgery.  (I learned that by reading here.)  Heck, I was told not to wear any sort of bra until the surgical site healed.  So, I wore a loose-fitting, button-down shirt.  That worked out well, because I could pin up the hem and stow my JP drains in the makeshift pocket it created.  For more formal occasions (I was retired, so there weren't many), I wore a cotton or silk tank top under a shell/dressy T-shirt, under an unbuttoned jacket.  Think "layers".  Nobody will notice your breasts, or lack thereof.

    You are having a bilat, and you are not having recon?  That makes things really simple.  I don't know if your surgeon will send you home with a bandage over your surgical site(s).  Mine didn't.  I had steri-strips (dozens of them) all along the incision, but the big, thick bandage that the surgeon applied in the O.R. was removed the next morning before I left the hospital.  One more reason not to wear a bra or camisole -- I didn't want anything pressed tightly against that incision!

    But, just to be sure, you should call your surgeon's office.  It is not a silly question, and you wouldn't be wasting their time.  Your diagnosis was a big deal, and your surgery is a big deal.  Our docs understand that (or, they should).

    Hugs....

    otter

  • Kezzie62
    Kezzie62 Member Posts: 189
    edited December 2010

    Wow..... you ladies are wonderful,  Thank you all for all the information you have given me.  I am going to write a to do list so I dont forget to do something.  I have spoked to my surgeon's nurse today and she has said they will give me a velcro bra top to wear if I do not have my own camisol,  She is going to send me a prescription from the doctor to get a post-op camisol, she says my insurance will cover the cost.... The nurse has asked that I bring the camisol to my pre-op appointment with her so that she can check it is ok...

    I have asked the lady in my local goodwill shop to keep aside any large loose button shirts for me and she has said she will, so that should help too.  I am also thinking of having my long hair cut short, so it will be easy to keep clean after the surgery as I dont have anyone who can help me wash my hair and it is so thick and takes forever to dry..

     I am not sure if it is better to have a long time to plan before you get the surgery or if it would be better to have it done quick so you dont have as long to think about it all...  Even now I have started looking down at my chest and wondering what I will end up looking like. as I am size 18/20 I am worried that my belly is going to look very big once I dont have boobs to balance it all out... maybe I should try and loose some of my belly fat before the surgery...  but that is always easier said than done..

    Hugs to you all.....

    Kezzie

  • BoobsinaBox
    BoobsinaBox Member Posts: 550
    edited December 2010

    Kezzie,

    I did notice that I had a belly I didn't know I had.  The day after surgery, when I got home I looked down and realized how big I had gotten.  It was great incentive, and after a few months, I got rid of most of it.  There are pictures of some of our scars on Barbara's site and on BC.org, so you can get an idea of what that part might look look like.  Each surgeon has his or her own way of making the incisions.  Mine used a long diagonal cut up to just below the armpit.  Many others use a straight across the middle cut.  I had only about 10 days between discovery and surgery, and while it was a horrible whirlwind, I thought it was easier than worrying about it.  Having had an awful experience with the surgeon, I later wished I had gone for a second opinion.  Live and learn.  Best wishes to you.

    Dawn 

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited December 2010

    Here is your incentive to lose weight before surgery: it will really reduce the risks of surgery and the risks of anaesthesia, and it will also really reduce the risk of lymphoedema afterwards. Furthermore when you have to see people, they can say: Hey wow Looking great, you lost weight, not Hey, what's with the huge teeshirts then? or What happened to your hair? (remember, even a bad hair day is at least a hair day!)

    I wanted to post a picture of a great teeshirt I got, but can't find one online, The picture is of a figure weightlifting and the caption reads "Perfect Body under Construction" - Now i'm looking for a "fatty photo" to stick on the fridge to help keep up my resolve, Losing weight is one of the biggest things you can do to help yourself! Step-machine at the gym, then hill-walking, if i will never have the best chest, at least I'm aiming for a beautiful rearview!

  • eileen1955
    eileen1955 Member Posts: 365
    edited December 2010

    I had a binder with velcro that I wore after my BMX. It helped keep down the swelling. I also would recommend the amoena camisole made for post-mastectomy.  the "kangaroo" pockets on th inside hold the drains; tho the wt of two drains one each side required that I pin the tubing into the men's button down shirts. Just like you mentioned.   

    I liked the foam breast forms for the few times I went out socially. they inserted into the amoena cami and are very lightweight.     I did not want anything rubbing against my scars. 

    American Cancer Society website has a silique product of very lightweight breast forms made with tiny beads.  

    I am 9 wks post-op and still not wearing the silicone prostheses.  I have to build up the muscled in my back (the psoas, I think) that are on both sides of the spine between the scapula (shouldler blades)          I went to a PT b/c the permanent prosthetics were making my back hurt in that one spot; between my shoulder blades.     I could not believe the PT's response; "It's like wearing orthotics in your shoes; you have to wear them more and more each day"  I shot the PT a look and told her there is no comparison.   I think she was afraid I'd report her; so she put together some exercises for me to work on my psoas.         And this PT was recommended by the Breast Center!      this was a little bit of an emotional setback for me; just two days ago.  

  • nagem
    nagem Member Posts: 353
    edited December 2010

    Eileen, So sorry your PT made what came across as an insensitive comment. I wouldn't be too hard on her though. Sounds as if she was just trying to "normalize" the situation, which was the wrong chord to strike with you at this precise moment but might have been comforting to someone else at a different stage with a different sensibility. 

  • Annie62
    Annie62 Member Posts: 1,081
    edited December 2010

    Kezzie - great idea about goodwill shirts. I recently cleaned out my closet and kept a few button front shirts that I would have tossed to wear during the post op period. I did treat my self to a few zip up sweat shirts/ sweat pants and button front pjs for the first couple of weeks.All bought at target and can be used after recovery. I did ask my surgeon if I needed to buy a mx cami and they said that they provided the velcro front stretch binder that you can pin drains to. I had that the last time too. They are fine but they get a little itchy. As soon as my drains are out, I'm switching to soft camis.

     Re; long hair. Any chance you can get someone to braid it tightly. The ends won't get very dirty and should stay neat. If you think you'll be getting chemo and will lose your hair, cutting it isn't a bad idea, but if not, you may want to reconsider cutting it all off. I bought some dry shampoo to use after surgery, but DH will help me with that. Some ladie got to a salon and have them shampoo it. I think they leaned over the wash basin front ways rather than leaning back. So if there is somenone to help you with dry shampoo or shampooing with a shower extension and then braiding,you may want to consider it.

    Best,

    Annie

  • eileen1955
    eileen1955 Member Posts: 365
    edited December 2010

    Nagem; you are right and I'm glad I held my verbal barrage.        Sometimes it's good to not react; and just see how you feel in a few days.    If I had stormed out; I never would have received the excellent exercises that she taught me (and gave me good copies for practice at home!)

    Thanks for your feedback. I let it go.   er

  • Firni
    Firni Member Posts: 1,519
    edited December 2010

    eileen,  I was kind of in your shoes too before my bi-mx.  I had nothing and no money to get things. My surgeon didn't even give me a bra or binder or anything.  Just some gauze covering the incisions.  I didn't need to wear compression.  I had 4 drains that I pinned to a narrow belt around my waist.  I wore sweat pants and big flannel shirts for the first week while I was just laying around the house.  My DH was told by my PS that I should get my arms over my head as soon as possible and wash my own hair.  Some PSs don't want you to do that, so check with yours about range of motion restrictions.  Don't worry too much about getting all the cool stuff.  It sure is nice to have, but you don't absolutely need it right away if your budget doesn't allow.  By the way, my flannels were from a second hand store.  I washed them and didn't have any problems.  Good luck with your surgery and I pray you recover quickly.

  • eileen1955
    eileen1955 Member Posts: 365
    edited December 2010

    firni; I think you meant to address kerzie.         I am one of the veterans of BMX and my insurance covered my camis and breast forms.    Aetna has a contract with amoena; so it all worked out.

    But I am learning new things here to pass onto others.      I should have use a belt!      and I should have cut my hair.      I had a lot of swelling under incision each time I washed my hair. So I personally felt it was more interfering with my healing.   At one point I had what looked like a seroma that needed to be drained.  

    I did learn to blow-dry my hair in a head-down position.        The dry shampoo sounds good. wish  I knew a brand to recommend to people (even if in a PM)            eileen 

  • JanS
    JanS Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2011

    Kezzie,

    Don't feel silly about asking any questions to the surgeon or the nurse practitioner.  It is their job to answer all your questions.  But it's also good to ask us gals who have been through this surgery.  I had a camisole with very light-weight fiber-fill forms and with pockets for the drain tubes.  It was covered by insurance.  I wore it with loose shirts that button down the front.  After 4 weeks, I got a foam form, partly covered by insurance, that I pinned into my regular bras.  After 3 months, I got a silicone form and 2 mastectomy bras, also partly covered by insurance.  The certified mastectomy bra fitter insisted that I wait 3 months post-op to make sure all the swelling had gone down.

    Interesting that you mention hair washing because that is the one thing I really needed help with during the first week after surgery.  Although my husband is a great guy and very supportive, he didn't understand the hair concern.  My sister helped me.  But after a week, I could do it myself.

    Good luck to you.  Hope your surgery and recovery go as smoothly as mine did.

  • Judy_63
    Judy_63 Member Posts: 247
    edited February 2011

    I just had my right breast taken, so for me the first few days I just wore loose button up shirts which I had gotten at second hand stores and my drain was just pinned to the top of my pants.  After a few days I wore sports bras which zip up the front from JC Penney's and also got two from Walmart that have hook and eye closure up the front.  I will say that I liked the support the sports bra gives me.   I have yet to be fitted for a new boob and bra.  My doctor said to wait at least 8 weeks, it will be 3 months at the end of this month, but its been so snowy and cold I just haven't made an appointment.

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