menopause and your skin

There simply is no way to regenerate skin and eliminate wrinkles and sagging if you have no estrogen!! if you don't want to do bio-identical hormone replacement, then another option is using a small amount of estriol in your facial cream, it works wonders!

L

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I use 2 parts Dove body wash and 1 part suave hair conditioner to wash with. My 73 yo mom told me about this. It might take a few weeks but you skin will feel really nice, soft and not itchy.

hey Barry!!

Hi Anon!!!!

I get my estriol compounded, however, another way go to this link

http://www.helenpensanti.com/prodinfo.asp?number=EVS1

take one of the pellets and melt in your hand and rub into face, its really good!!!!

L

ox 

hello!

I actually called the company as they are here in Newport Beach, they assured me it was actual estriol, the lady is a naturopathic MD.  I do the bio's, not only to look better, thats just a nice beneficial side effect  but I firmly believe with all of my heart that hormone balance is key to prevention, I don't see how you can fight all of the other crap that comes with age i.e. heart disease, alzheimer's and the list goes on, without keeping hormones straight.  Just my 2 cents!

Barry - tamox DOES NOT suppress estrogen. It (and I think, the other SERMs) connects to estrogen receptors in breast tissue, and actually supplies extra estrogen to other tissues. That's why tamox and Evista are good for post-menopausal bones.

AIs, on the other hand, do suppress ALL estrogen in the post-menopausal body.

But, to answer the original poster's question - menopause does lousy things to your skin. I'm using skin tighteners and plumpers, and things are looking better, but I am still looking like I'm not young.

Sue

Fairy, my old friend!

What a great web site you've sent us!  http://www.helenpensanti.com/prodinfo.asp?number=EVS1

I've been reading it and there's a lot of other good holistic information there by Dr. Presanti . You are our ace detective. I wish you could put up a quickie web page of your journey and all the links you've given us about bioidenticals over the years.

Iago,

Where did the theory of having estrogen a long time being a problem come from?

Edited to add: With that reasoning, then the oldest women would get more breast cancer. But they don't. Middle-aged women get breast cancer. 44 year-olds get the most breast cancer--when estrogen has been waning for eight or more years.

Hormone replacement therapy and birth control had been linked to breast cancer. There are several studies out there. So yes there is a link to having too much estrogen in your body for a long time may be a cause for concern. Check the middle of the page:
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/breastcancer/detailedguide/breast-cancer-risk-factors

It's not that estrogen causes breast cancer but there is a link. It may just provide "food" for it to grow. Personally I think we all have cancer cells in our body. Just some of us have the right conditions to allow it to grow.

I know it's not only bone loss that you are concerned with but my point was that Tamoxifen doesn't usually cause bone loss and can actually protect it unline als.

So your saying there is no link and all the onc that are recommending hormone supression therapy for us ER+/PR+ patients are crazy?

"estrogen does stimulate cell proliferation"… "In other words, estrogen-induced cell production leads to an increase in the total number of mutant cells that exist. These cells are at increased risk of becoming cancerous, so the chances that cancer may actually develop are increased."

That sounds like "food" to me

sources:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/understandingcancer/estrogenreceptors/Slide10
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/understandingcancer/estrogenreceptors/Slide11
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/understandingcancer/estrogenreceptors/Slide13
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/understandingcancer/estrogenreceptors/Slide17

and here's one for HRT:
"To counteract these potential problems, some postmenopausal women take hormone pills containing estrogen to strengthen bones and help control other menopausal symptoms. But, as a consequence, such women are subjecting themselves to the harmful effects of estrogen--namely, an increased risk for invasive breast cancer and uterine cancer."
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/understandingcancer/estrogenreceptors/Slide22

Yes it is "linked to" and "may".  There are very few "definitely" in cancer diagnosis. I
didn't feel the need to  back this up with a link because this information is pretty standard. If you chose not to believe it that's fine. But there are many studies out there. If you don't like the links I posted then do a google search. The NCI is a very reliable source.

Mollyann,

I don't give a crap about your own personal decision regarding anti-hormonal therapy.  I do have serious issues when you advocate that no patients should take them.  That is what you are implying if you don't say this directly.

All decisions are not equal.  That is what "evidence based" medicine is about.

You need to be aware that a lot of women on these boards could DIE if they were foolish enough to follow what you advocate.

I do mean DIE.

So please be mindful of this in what you say. 

Lago has roughly the same diagnosis as I did, and I am also taking anti-hormonals with minimal side effects.  I intend to do this for as long as it is recommended to me by my oncologist.

Hi Fairy,

Welcome back! Great site. Do you put the progesterone on your face along with the estriol?

Why are all the good doctors in your area? Seriously.

I'm very interested and supportive of alternative and holistic medicine and in my case… in conjunction with traditional medicine. I just told my onc that 3 weeks ago.

The problem seems that when I get into the Alternative, Complementary & Holistic Treatment threads I see people attacking traditional medicine and the science that supports their use. I though this was about the alternatives not a place to attack traditional.

I don't think I was arguing just clarifying some misinformation, discussing and answering some queries.

Anon! Less of the "old" thank you very much LOL!!! I would love to have some time to put all of my research into one flippin place, great idea!!

Claire ~ no offense, but this is the alternative/complimentary thread, soooooo, I am guessing the people hear are going to have vastly different ideas than yourself.  NOONE here advocates NOT taking the standard therapies, all they are saying is, that they can be very dangerous and they are on this thread because they have chosen a different route or a complimentary route.  We are all in the same boat, and we will all choose a different way of navigating that boat, and we won't always agree, but let's please have respect for each other choices.

I don't believe estrogen causes BC, I believe (and again just my theory!) that estrogen run amok, both internal and external causes havoc, if not balanced with progesterone.

Mathteacher! No, no progesterone on the face, that goes on the upper stomach, above the belly.

I hope everyone has a great night!

Hugs!
L

ox

For years I used a product that just worked excellent for my skin.  It has collagen in it.  I've tried other products, but none ever worked the way this does.  I used to purchase it at the dept store, but then they discontinued it and I could only buy it online.  I've tried others but nothing works lik e this.  It gives my skin a healthy glow, and supple look.  I stopped using it after BC because I was afraid to use anything that may have paraban in it.  But I broke down and ordered some last week,....It is a little pricy but it's worth it and a little goes a long way and lasts a long time!

Barb