The Fungal Theory
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Barry, Wow, thanks, but I'm no expert, I've just made it my mission to educate myself and this fungal association to cancer was the one topic that grabbed a hold of me and hasn't let go. I believe in this right down to my core so I want to learn all I can.
Taranebraska, Sorry to hear about you cancer recurrence. I also had cancer prior to my bc diagnosis. I've had basil cell carcinoma ("if you're gonna get cancer, it's the best kind to have" so they told me) and Melanoma. Wish I would have known the fungus link then! I too, was gearing up for chemo and rads when I stumbled upon a book called "Sick and Tired" by Dr. Robert Young (microbiologist). That was my turning point. I'm still learning but I will try to answer your questions as best I can.
1) Here's how I understand it...One of the primary jobs of fungus in nature is to break down and decompose. Fungi live in our gut and when we die, that fungi takes over and begins that decomposition. (Ancient Egyptians in an effort to preserve dead bodies would first remove the guts because they knew that's where decomposition began.)
Problems (i.e. infections and disease) can arise though, when that degradation occurs prematurely, as in cancer. Many fungi are opportunistic, meaning they'll establish themselves in our body when the opportunity arises (when our immune systems are suppressed.) However, immune suppression isn't always necessary for some fungi to infect us. Histoplasma capsulatum or Coccidioides immitis(the cause of Valley Fever) routinely infect people who have completely normal immune systems. Also, being subjected to a moldy home or building can overcome a healthy immune system. I think our bodies are too immune compromised to win a war over a fungal infection. It' trying to do it's job, it's just overwhelmed.
2) In the case of a rotting apple or moldy bread....I think if a tumor is operable and can be removed, it's best to have it removed in it's entirety. This way when you wake from surgery, you're essentially "cancer free". In my case the docs wanted me to do chem/rads to mop up any cells that might have gotten away. We supposedly produce cancer cells in our body everyday. The reason these dont go on to cause cancer is that a healthy immune system catches them early. Chemo is hard on our systems. The last thing I want is chemo tearing down any defenses I have left. Could there really be a worse time to shut down our immune systems?
In regards to biopsy, if you have a fungal tumor or growth, puncturing it with a needle can allow the fungal spores to be released into your blood stream, causing the infection to spread. (This is typical with the Ascomycete ("sac") fungi. I had a needle biopsy...wish I had known then, what I know now.
Decay, once begun within the bread, cant be reversed. However, if we work to rebuild our immune systems, I believe we can reverse the decomposition process in our bodies. There are legitimate studies that confirm that some foods help in fighting cancer and others "feed" cancer (fungus). I am banking on the fact that if I rebuild my immune system and eat the right foods, I can heal. I also take natural antifungals. That being said, if the fungus/cancer had a stronger hold (advanced stage), I would still need my immune system so no chemo but I would seek out stronger antifungals such as Diflucan. Btw, chemo can also kills fungal cells. Unfortunately, it kills human cells as well.
The hard part is maintaining this lifestyle to insure there are no recurrences.
"If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten."
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Thanks for helping me with my questions. Funny, they told me in 1997 if you're going to get cancer, Hodgkins was the one to get!
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If you make your own yoghurt, it's sure to contain active acidophillus.
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Timothy and barry...I totally agree with you that probiotics should be alive and active. I've never seen probiotics on a shelf, and I would never buy probiotics unless they were refrigerated.
I only consume probiotics that are in fermented foods and drinks, that are "Live and Active" ...and need to be refrigerated. It really is the healthiest way to consume your probiotics.
Fermented foods are soooo important in restoring beneficial bacteria, nutrient absorption and eliminating toxins. The microflora in fermented foods makes B group vitamins; down inside you... right at the gut wall and they are assimilated immediately. It's all about a healthy inner eco system. The micro flora produces all the B vitamins and vitamin k. They help us extract minerals from our food and actually get the minerals out of our food then retain the minerals so that we can build mineral rich blood, which is essential. Unfortunately microflora are killed by excessive amounts of refined sugars. But sugar found in nature actually helps the microflora grow. Large amounts of healthy microflora create a garden like world in your intestines. When they are there they keep their world clean and healthy and when their world is clean and healthy that means your intestines are clean. It also means your liver is clean, you're not going to age as quickly, you'll find that your skin is more beautiful, you won't have joint problems, your vision will be more superior and we won't have the problems that so many people take for granted. When microflora keep your intestines healthy, your blood is healthy, your organs are healthy...your cells are healthy...preventing disease. Microflora actually have the ability to take other minerals, like silica for example and turn it into calcium for us. We really need to have the right gut flora and healthy intestines. I don't believe in just SPRING CLEANING THE LIVER...it should be done on a daily basis. Eating/drinking fermented foods, cutting out refined sugars, and only eating sugars found in nature such as stevia ...and the plethora of other goodies we've been researching to get that level of optimum health.
Victoria
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Another lady wrote this on other forum, which I found interesting...
"I use kefir-cultured milk. It is a live probiotic and prebiotic.
- One capsule of man-made probiotics normally contains around 15 billion bacteria.
- One little bowl of fresh yogurt (500 ml), contains around 1.5 trillion beneficial organisms.
- 100 times more than a 15 billion capsule.
- And one tiny bowl of fresh kefir (500 ml), contains as many as 5 trillion beneficial organisms. Almost 400 times more than a capsule.
Kefir and other fermented milk products contain buffering agents that nurture and guard the lactobacillus from bile acids in the stomach. This way it survives to reach the intestines where it creates Vit. B-12 and helps to breakdown and package food for excretion. Milk products are such powerful buffering agents that even poison control centers suggest drinking milk if a poison is ingested.
Bacteria within pill form are in a resting cycle and the bacteria inside kefir and yogurt are alive and well, making them much more able to adapt to unexpected changes in surroundings as they enter the body.
These fermented milk products are considered functional foods because they function as healthiness promoting foods. Probiotic pill supplements just offer single thing, bacteria. Fermented Milk offers much more than the microorganisms; minerals, vitamins, amino acids, L-carnitine, good fats, antimicrobial agents and other micronutrients.
Scientist tested the kefir inside the Caucasus Mountains on behalf of any type of dangerous bacteria. But much to their shock, they found nothing. Deep inside the mountains wherever hygienic conditions are much worse than ours, the scientist refused to believe there were no dangerous bacteria to be found. Creating a potential scenario that a piece of animal fecal matter would fall into the milk, they injected the E. Coli bacteria into the kefir. Within 24 hours the E. Coli was destroyed by Kefir's beneficial bacteria. Kefir has moreover demonstrated the capability to kill H. Pylori infections while bacteria alone could not. In addition, the complex microflora of kefir has also exposed a sharp capability to stimulate our immune structure, ward off infections from salmonella, and in some cases even fight cancer."
Interesting for those of us that consume organic grass fed dairy products...to consider.
Victoria
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Victoria, great post! I'm learning that good overall health begins in the gut. I tried the kefir for about six weeks. It ended up being a disaster. Because we were such novices at it, we made ourselves sick. There is a nearby grocery store that sells natural products such as kefir. From there I purchase my yogurt, and other kefir items.
Impositive, you take the position that cancer is all fungus? I'm not sure if it is fungus or is a factor to cancer. It is noted elsewhere in the dcis forum that dcis biopsies do not have the component to be invasive. If dcis biopsy enters the body through a biopsy it can't spread because it's not invasive. From what I understand what you are saying ... all fungus is invasive.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING! Got to go check my turkey
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p://www.alternative-cancer-care.com/Cancer_Fungus.html25, INTERESTING READ
Food for thought...the next few post are continuations of this post.
I thought the following was interesting in the history of cancer research and noted virus, and fungus being a major factor.
John Nuzum, a pathologist and physician at the University of Illinois College of Medicine, reported a pleomorphic coccus he repeatedly isolated from breast cancer. The tiniest forms were virus-like and passed through a filter designed to hold back bacteria. Nuzum grew his "micrococcus" from 38 of 41 early breast cancers, and from the cancerous lymph nodes and metastatic tumours resulting from spread of the cancer to other parts of the body. During his 6 years of intensive bacteriological study, he learned the microbe could pass through a filter designed to hold back bacteria, indicating that some forms of the microbe were as small as the size of some viruses. With special stains he detected these small round coccoid forms within the breast cancer tumour cells. Although Nuzum couldn't produce cancer tumours in mice, he was able to induce breast cancer tumours in 2 of 5 dogs injected with the microbe.
Royal Raymond Rife studied medicine at the prestigious John Hopkins University, and began his career as a research pathologist and medical researcher. Over his lifetime, Rife was to receive fourteen major scientific awards and honours and an honorary doctorate from the University of Heidelberg for his scientific discoveries.
Royal R. Rife cultured tissue from a breast cancer sample, in Kendall medium, and isolated a micro-organism. He followed this experiment with a series of other studies in which he cultured an organism in Kendall media, from tissue taken from a human breast cancer. He then injected this microorganism into 412 healthy rats, and found that without fail they all developed breast cancer. Finally, he was then able to isolate the original microorganism from the tumours which grew in the rats. In the process Rife became probably the first person ever to fulfil Koch's postulants, for cancer causing microbes. Koch's Postulants are a set of rules to prove the causation of disease by microorganisms. They state that to prove such causality the microorganism must first be isolated and cultured. It must then be shown to have infected a health animal, and finally the same organism must be recoverable from the now infected animal.
The cancer virus which Rife named Cryptocides Primordiales or the BX virus, was a minute 1/5 micron in length and 1/20 micron in width. It was highly motile, aerobic (requiring free oxygen for its survival) and highly pathogenic. Rife discovered that while exposing the virus to a temperature of 42C for 24 hours would kill the virus, it remained unaffected by exposure to either X-ray, UV or Infra-red waves.
While the discovery of a cancer virus was in itself an incredible feat of scientific endeavour, Rife was to make yet more discoveries destined to rock the scientific status quo. The BX virus was shown to be a polymorphic virus, able to change its states according to the culture in which it was grown. When a BX virus was cultivated in a different media, it was seen to change into a BY virus. When the media was changed yet again it developed into a monococcoid in the monocytes of the blood, and with a further change of media it morphed once again, this time into crytomyces pleomorphia fungi. At any stage along this journey of polymorphism, the original BX virus could be grown again by adding any one of these forms to the original media. -
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Another Pleomorphist, Canadian researcher of Dr Gruner was watching Rife's work with interest. Gruner was using asparagus agar to grow fungus from cancer blood. Rife was growing a virus from cancer tissue using Kendall media. In the 1930's both Gruner and Rife collaborated and went on to discover that when a sample of Gruner's fungus was cultured on K media the BX virus emerged. By changing the media they could turn a fungus originally grown out of cancer blood into the BX organism, itself grown out of cancer tissue. They repeated this experiment hundreds of times with exactly replicable results each time.
1940
Caste Livingston, independently discovered the cancer microbe in the late 1940s. Aided by microbiologist Alexander-Jackson, who supplied the bacteriologic expertise, the two women found a special stain (the acid-fast stain) that allowed the microbe to be recognised in culture and within the cancer tumour. Like the researchers back in the 1920s, they confirmed the microbe was filterable; and electron microscopic photos provided further proof that the filterable forms were indeed viral-size. Livingston has written three books on the cancer microbe: Cancer: A New Breakthrough (1972), The Microbiology of Cancer (1977), and The Conquest of Cancer (1984). -
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In the 1950s Irene Diller of the Institute for Cancer Research at Fox Chase, Philadelphia, discovered fungus-like microbes in cancer cells. Joining forces with the Livingston team, Diller worked with specially bred mice with a proven cancer incidence. By injecting them with microbes cultured from breast cancer and other tumours, she was able to more than double the cancer incidence of the mice. She injected healthy animals with cancer bacteria. When cancer tumours developed she successfully cultured the microbe from the tumours - thus proving that these bacteria were implicated in the production of cancer. Utilising Livingston's methods, Diller also grew the microbe from the blood of cancer patients.
1950 - Present
In the 1950, Professor Gaston Naessens invented a high-powered light microscope, capable of viewing the tiniest forms of life within blood. With this microscope, Naessens discovered in the blood of animals and humans - as well as in the saps of plants - a subcellular microscopic life form that reproduces, which he christened a somatid (tiny body). The somatid, he found, could be cultured (grown) outside the bodies of its hosts (in vitro, "under glass,"). Naessens also observed that this somatid life form was pleomorphic (form-changing). He observed this somatid life form was limited to 3 stages in a healthy organism - somatid, spore, and double spore - and that these 3 stages where crucial to the organisms survival.
What was more amazing, was that Professor Naessens observed that this somatid life form became pathogenic (harmful) when the immune system of the organism was compromised or weakened. He observed these somatid life forms then entered a further 13 stages of development, changing from bacterial into yeast-like fungus forms. (A total of 16 stages). Naessens studied the blood of various degenerative diseases, including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lupus, AIDS, and cancer, and consistently found the 16 stages of the somatid life cycle present in all of these diseases. -
Barry, thanks for that probiotic article as well as the list of prebiotic foods... very interesting how, once again, the whole foods that help our bodies nurture good bacteria are many of the same whole foods that boost our health and fight cancer in many other ways!
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Oops, sorry, I had missed the last page's worth of posts. GREAT INFO here, Victoria and Barry! I do culture my own yogurt from grass-fed milk, so I know I'm getting good probiotics that way, and I've made water kefir in the past. I also brew my own kombucha, which I believe has probiotics too. May want to try my hand making milk kefir in the near future. Since I've never had any intestinal problems or yeast-related infections/overgrowths that I know of, I've never felt a need to buy probiotics at the health food store, but hopefully I'm getting enough of them in my grass-fed yogurt and home-brewed kombucha.
In regards to biopsy, if you have a fungal tumor or growth, puncturing it with a needle can allow the fungal spores to be released into your blood stream, causing the infection to spread. (This is typical with the Ascomycete ("sac") fungi. I had a needle biopsy...wish I had known then, what I know now.
Yeah, and would you believe, NONE of the doctors I met with were willing to do an excisional biopsy on me (I had a large palpable tumor that they were all sure was 5cm worth of IDC). Not ONE would agree to do it. After seeing all the breast specialists that my insurance covered, I finally had to agree to a core biopsy, much against my wishes. Grrrrrr. Thankfully I only had DCIS, so it couldn't live outside the duct anyway, but who knows whether I had fungal spores that they released to the rest of my body that way??
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Asschercut, your post on how probiotics help our bodies was very well written. I have been trying to talk my mom into the fact that she needs them. I should let her read your post. I agree with your next post about kefir. It's no doubt whole foods are much better for us than a man made capsule. I live in a rural area. I have to drive over an hour to the nearest health food store so buying kefir, at least on a regular basis, isn't practical and making my own...I guess I need to educate myself on that. Do you make your own? If so, what does it involve?
Timothy, Do you make your own yogurt?
Not trying to debate or sell anyone on this particular one, just think it's another good choice for those who are looking for information. It's the one I take and it has helped me turn my health around. Dr Ohhira's are probiotics are live cultures fermented for 3 years and placed in a capsule with it's own food. That is why it doesn't need refrigerated. The capsule is also made so it survives the stomach acids and can reach the intestines where we need it.
As you so eloquently stated Victoria, probiotics are beneficial in reaching the optimum level of health. I think EVERYONE should be consuming a good probiotic.
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Impositive, we purchase a germ (kefir seed) from a friend. Two germs cost us $10. We put it in raw goats milk...2/3rd quart jar. Place a cheese cloth on the mouth of the jar...rubber bands to hold it in place. It needs to breathe. Do not refegerate it. After a few days the seeds (germs) multiplied. The kefir rose to the top, and the bottom of the jar clear. We drank the clear fluid. The clearer flued tasted like sour milk. The top part of the kefir is curds. They are a little cheesy. We ate them, but not all of it...as we needed to keep some to reproduce.
You have to stay on top of it. For whatever reason, after a few weeks our germs seem sick. The kefir didn't taste right. I think our kefir went bad.
It was a lot of work. The funny thing about it is it didn't make me better. At that time, I still had mouth sores, stomach issues and a weaken immune system. My naturalpath said that kefir produces a lot of sugar, which I didn't need in my body right then. She asked me not to take kefir...rather, probiotics. I am fortunate to live near good health stores and places where I can purchase kefir.
I do take kefir everyonce in awhile..as said before, I purchase it.
There are good internet sites (u-tube) on how to make kefir.
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Barry, Yes, I do believe fungus is cancer. You posted some great info regarding Rife's and other's studies on microbes and their ability to be pleomorphic. In the case of DCIS, that's exactly what I think happens.
When I spoke of biopsy, I was mainly speaking of tumor biopsies. If you puncture the tumor, it bleeds and fungal spores can be released into the blood stream. Here is my take on DCIS.
The following info in italics is taken from www.dcis.info. Note-the words in bold, are mine:
DCIS is a term used to describe cells that are growing inappropriately inside the ducts of the breast and look like cancer cells (or fungal cells) under the microscope. These abnormal cells have not spread into the surrounding fatty breast tissue or to any other part of the body. They are totally confined to the ducts.
Some cell changes are important, while others are less important. DCIS cells lack the biological capacity to metastasize, or spread elsewhere in the body, like cancer cells do. So why do DCIS cells fall into the category of cancer cells? Because fungal cells have the ability to morph under the right circumstance.
Some DCIS cells (fungi) can change genetically (morph) and become true cancers, and women should not be lulled into thinking that a DCIS diagnosis can be ignored or dismissed. We still do not know for sure which DCIS cells will change and become invasive and which will remain DCIS. It is probably most useful to view a diagnosis of DCIS as an indication that a woman has a greater risk of developing breast cancer, especially if she receives no treatment for the DCIS OR if she does not change her lifestyle to insure these microbes are not provided an environment condusive to their adaptation.
According to this site until mammographys became routine, DCIS was pretty much unheard of. Now approx 24% of all new bc diagnosis is DCIS. Could it be most all of us have DCIS, even young women but it doesn't turn cancerous (or morph) until our lifestyles allow it? What if, because of mammography, women are being diagnosed with "cancer" and have disfiguring mx's as a preventative measure when all they really needed to do was clean up their environment (i.e. their inner terrain)? I'm sure our descendants will one day look back at this travesty and be horrified at what the medical industry did to humans in regards to what they thought was cancer.
DCIS shows up on a mammogram as calcifications, "little salt particles", right? It is known that in every bc there are calcium deposits, specifically calcium oxilate. Calcium oxilate is a salt of oxalic acid which is not made by humans! It is however, made by most fungi!
Something to think about.....
Hey, thanks for the kefir info....sugar? I think I'll stick to my probiotics in tablet form
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Crunchy, You had a large palpable tumor but it was DCIS (still contained in the duct?) I didn't realize it could grow that large and not be invasive or rupture the duct. I've read the necrosis or dead cells can block the duct but I didn't know it could be palpable.
I didnt know anything about what was happening to me. I found a lump and scheduled a mammogram. Got the mammogram, then an ultra sound, then a needle biopsy all in one morning. My head was spinning.
It's infuriating to me that insurance wont pay for a lumpectomy without a biopsy because it's against protocol. Early on in my basil cell, after I had already had several spots biopsied and removed, I asked my dermatologist if we could forgo the punch biopsies and just remove the spot. Because for one, it meant I had to get the punch biopsy then stitches, heal and get the results, then go back in for removal, then heal again. And two, "Come on doc, we already know it's basil cell for heavens sakes, how many have I had now, 10?" And three...that's two procedures I have to pay for! Her answer was "No, this is the way we have to do it." I found another doc...one who, after the first one he treated me for, agreed do the removal, then he sent it for biopsy. Ugh!
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Impositive, would you consider dcis a tumor biopsy? It is in the ducts...not a actual lump. What about grade 3 dcis with como-neu...? Can high grade dcis be cleaned up by diet? Would you ever consider surgery for removing cancer? What about advance cancer that's traveled to the nodes?
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Listen to this ladies - HER2+ is very aggressive and you need Herceptin. Antioxidents block the action of herceptin and interfere with treatment. You are in a good position at Stage I - don't waste time and end up with a more serious problem 6 months from now. I worked in research with human subjects and I can tell you it is very difficult to get good study data. These alternative studies don't have enough subjects to make the results reliable and the methodology is sometimes questionable beause there is no review board. I am all for finding new ways to fight cancer, but don't risk your future on an unproven method.
I get really upset with these info-mercials touting cancer cures, pushing vitamins and antioxidents when that is the last thing hormone positive patients need - just to make a buck$$$$. And a supposed MD on the web doing the same, like all breast cancers can be treated the same. Probably had his license revoked and is trying to get rich off women's fears.
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impositive wrote: Crunchy, You had a large palpable tumor but it was DCIS (still contained in the duct?) I didn't realize it could grow that large and not be invasive or rupture the duct. I've read the necrosis or dead cells can block the duct but I didn't know it could be palpable.
No kidding; I didn't know that either until after I was diagnosed. After the biopsy came back as DCIS, I even posted on the DCIS forum asking how in the world DCIS could be a lump, especially a somewhat large (4.5 to 5cm) one. I actually didn't believe it but sure enough, the final dx after lumpectomy confirmed grade 2 DCIS only.
But yep, it was a very hard, unmoveable, most definitely palpable lump. Three breast surgeons told me without a doubt it was cancer, just based on what it felt like (and they were sure it was invasive). (And the fact that I had spontaneous bloody discharge, and had BIRADS 5 clusters of microcalcifications, etc.)
I still think my DCIS was precipitated by my having so many miscarriages... I had three late-first-trimester miscarriages within a year of each other, so maybe all that milk forming then having nowhere to go helped form such a large lump.
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Motherofpatient,
Please tell me what you know about Herceptin. Since you have worked in research with humans and I am Her2+, I'd like to pick your brain.
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Crunchy, Guess I have something to learn about DCIS! Had anyone on the DCIS had the same sort of lump?
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Barry, Yes, I guess I would consider it a tumor biopsy. Based on what CrunchyPoodleMama's bc it was a large lump with a DCIS diagnosis.
In my mind DCIS is an indication you have fungal activity. Grade 3 como-neu is still fungus and advanced disease is yet again, still fungus- that has been detected to be in other places in your body. I think if you get your immune system in the right place, it has the ability to fight. The key for some of us is getting it to that place. If chemo and rads has helped to destroy that, it may take even more help in the way of strong antifungals and of course in the instance of advanced disease, it can be even more of a struggle and some may lose that fight.
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impositive wrote: Crunchy, Guess I have something to learn about DCIS! Had anyone on the DCIS had the same sort of lump?
I can't find my post from when I first learned my lump was only DCIS, but here was another thread where other women with DCIS had palpable lumps.
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/68/topic/746647?page=1
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On Nov 13 Barry posted some articles regarding ergosterol. I skimmed over them but moved on rather quickly as I honestly didnt understand a lot of it. Today, I went back to those posts (not sure why) and started to study them. It said to do an internet search on ergosterol and chemotherapy. I did and this is the first link that came up. http://www.cancersupportwa.org.au/newsletter_article.php?news_id=245
It's virtually the same article that she had posted. The article's author is Roger Gdanski. In order to understand it, I had to become familiar with Ergosterol(Ergosterol is a component of fungal cell membranes, serving the same function that cholesterol serves in animal cells. Because ergosterol is present in fungal cell membranes yet absent in animal cell membranes, it is a useful target for antifungal drugs.)
It also mentions the mycotoxin called fumonisin from a fungus called fusarium (found in corn and grains) and we have talked about different mycotoxins here.
There are some other words I needed to familiarize myself with but for the most part, it is one of the most well written and easy to understand articles regarding cancer and fungi that I've encountered. I urge everyone to read it.
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I've also read that a palpable lump can be only dcis. From what I've learned thus far ,,, most dcis are not a palpable lumb...rather unorganized cancerous cells found in the ducts. Those who have a palpable lump are more likely for a recurrence and or to become invasive. My dcis was found by spotting califciations on a mammogramn. Julia (crunchy), it concerns me that you had a bloody discharged. Did you get a second opinion on your biopsy? Did you ever get that mx?
Impositive, I don't think Julia's tumor can be compared to most dcis dx. Most dcis do not appear as a palpable tumor. So in that case...perhaps a biopsy is different? Both my bc surgeons insisted I have a biopsy. They didn't want to see me until it was done. I was initially concerned about seeding. Then I learned that dcis cells do not have the ability to be invasive. It is only a concern if invasive cells are present. For this reason the doctors insist on rads to kill stray dcis cells or invasive cells.
If dcis is nothing more than fungus than you would think there would be some type of invasiveness? DCIS does not have a supposingly component to be invasive?
I'm trying to wrap my brain around this...at this point I agree that fungus is a factor in cancer. I'm just not quite sure if it's the whole ball of wax. Is it possible that other factors (chemicals, smoking, injury) can defect cells to the point that cells deteriorate... ... Can aging be a factor in that cells lose there ability to copy correctly and become cancerous?
I realize that there are noteworthy similiaries between cancer and fungus.
If cancer is nothing more than fungus than it seems that stopping the fungus (medication, herbs, diet, lifestyle changes & etc) would erradicate the cancer? It seems that fungus treatment would help someone at least put their cancerous tumors into remission. If someone has chemo their immune system is compromised then it seems as if it would be difficult for the body to fight candida or fungus infection.
At this point, I would not be comfortable leaving cancer in my body. I fear that cancer would move faster than my ability to get rid of the yeast that has entangled itself throughtout my body. It takes months to get rid of it. Once the cancer/fungus was removed through surgery or biopsy, I would do everything I could to support my immune system to fight off stray cells. I would definately go on a serious candida diet and other anti fungal meds.
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barry wrote: I've also read that a palpable lump can be only dcis. From what I've learned thus far ,,, most dcis are not a palpable lump...rather unorganized cancerous cells found in the ducts. Those who have a palpable lump are more likely for a recurrence and or to become invasive. My dcis was found by spotting califciations on a mammogramn. Julia (crunchy), it concerns me that you had a bloody discharged. Did you get a second opinion on your biopsy? Did you ever get that mx?
That's exactly why I decided to agree to the mastectomy... the few DCIS cases that involve a palpable lump are more likely to turn invasive. I'm glad that palpable lump has been out of me for a year now as of this past Wednesday! BTW, the bloody discharge went away immediately with my first lumpectomy.
I didn't get a second opinion on my biopsy, but my doctor was SO sure it was invasive, I feel like if there had been any evidence of an invasion, he would have spotted it. Both lumpectomy and reexcision and all the biopsies I've had confirmed low- and medium-grade DCIS. (BTW, my mastectomy is now scheduled for Dec. 8 so after over a year of this, I will finally be getting rid of all remaining DCIS once and for all.)
At this point, I would not be comfortable leaving cancer in my body. I fear that cancer would move faster than my ability to get rid of the yeast that has entangled itself throughtout my body. It takes months to get rid of it. Once the cancer/fungus was removed through surgery or biopsy, I would do everything I could to support my immune system to fight off stray cells. I would definately go on a serious candida diet and other anti fungal meds.
That is my sentiment exactly. I will not do rads or Tamoxifen, but I do want the dang cancer cells out of my body and am continuing with an aggressive anti-cancer, anti-candida, alkalizing diet and lifestyle.
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Julia, December 8th...your mx. I'll put that on my calendar. I'll be praying for you. Will you be in the hospital overnight? Reconstruction?
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Impositive and Barry,
Thank you so much for your kind words -- sure with I was in the Caribbean right now!
Here is something interesting: I have had a mole on my right breast (bc side) that has been growing slowly for a few years. It is asymmetric and my radiation oncologist wants to keep an eye on it. I had a recurrence of my tinea versicolor last week so I applied the selenium lotion and I'll be damned if the mole hasn't all but disappeared!
One love, Jackie
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Thank you, Barry... I will be in overnight, and if you can believe it, I don't know yet whether I'll have my first stage of reconstruction at the same time yet. (That's been a nightmare to figure out) Thanks so much for your prayers; I can't tell you how much I appreciate it!
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Jdootoo, That's great news! If selenium lotion can help tinea versicolor, a known fungus, and it made an asymmetrical mole disappear, what do you suppose that mole was?!
I only wish I would have known all this before my melanoma....I might not have had to go through the fear and anguish and I wouldn't be sporting around a 5 inch scar across my back.
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