LCIS (with 1mm ILC) - Is double mastectomy the right choice?
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I wanted to mention some of the research I did as I made my choice:
Stanford has a health library patients can use. I requested copies of the studies done on women who had BMX and their ratings of satisfaction, quality of life post surgery. In general, the vast majority were happy with the outcomes.
I also met with the FORCE women. These are ladies who are BRCA1,2 postive and all of them have had BMX, either due to cancer or to prevention of cancer. I saw that they were normal looking, not incapacitated, had free range of movement. This helped me alot.
I also went to Breast Cancer Connections, a help group in my area. There I was paired with a "buddy" who had a bilateral MX. I had numerous conversations with her about it, prior to my surgery, and learned a lot from her too.
I recommend you do all the research you need to satisfy yourself on the things that matter most to you. Best to you!
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You are asking all the right questions. Only you can reach the right decision for you.
seven yrs ago I had the lumpectomy(5mm IDC) chem/radiation. I was triple negative so there was no med for me to prevent a recurrence. And my bc was not picked up on mammo. There was no way to know it was there (dense breasts) b/f it was invasive. Waiting for a possibly invasive tumor (with chemo and risk of mets) was not an option I could live with forever.
My irradiated breast was painful all that time. when I started to look at PBM an oncologist pointed out that I had lobular atypical cells on my 2003 biopsy. so that put me at risk of a contralateral breast cancer.
After all the close monitoring I decided to have the PBM just last week. Just had drains pulled out today. all I feel is relief. this was the right decision for me. No more breath-holding when something looked "suspicious" and had to be biopsied. And, deep down, I knew I would never forgive myself if there was a new cancer when I knew I was high risk.
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I feel so alone as well never done this before so I hope I am talking to someone out there. I am 47 y/o mother of 4, 7, 16, 23, 27 and my husband is in full remission of pro myelocytic leukemia will be celebrating 5 years in dec. Just dx with ilc and lcis in right breast er+ pr+ her2- no stage etc.. yet seeing sugeon on friday. So overwhelmed with all the mixed info out there lump or mast? So many questions for my surgeon. So many different statistics, think I might be reading too much. I am a RN and sometimes I think we make the worst patients. Anyone have an up to date site with current statistics would be greatly appreciated!
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Tootie,
I am so sorry that you're going through this. Very stressful stuff. I wish that I could offer some sound advice but my situation is not really the same. I'm sure that others in the know will be along soon to give some input. Just wanted you to know that I'll be thinking of you and sending you positive, healing vibes.
Take care,
Kelly
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Bump! I am a RN too....hoping some good advice comes along. I had a total different sitchy.
Strength and Light to see you thru.
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First posting to this site, even though I've been reading it since my LCIS diagnosis in September. Background: Strong family history - mother, cousins (in their 50's), aunt, niece (31 at diagnosis). Had first lumpectomy at 20 - benign, 2 more biopsies (both breasts) in my early 30's which diagnosed microcalcifications diffused throughout both breasts. Now at 56, the LCIS diagnosis, after another biopsy of a thickened area in right breast. I've been losing sleep and stressing out over what to do - prophylactic bilateral mastectomy, or Evista, MRI's, Mammo's every 6 months. Playing the waiting game just seems way too stressful for me, since I've long felt that I am a ticking time bomb for breast cancer diagnosis. I am very active and play tennis 3-4 times a week. It is very important to me that I am able to resume playing after the prophy BM. Does anyone have any info on how long they took to recover after the surgery? I really think that it is the best decision for me. I have an appointment next week with my BC surgeon to discuss all that it entails, which I know is the first step. Will have to see the reconstruction surgeon also. Any info or advice would be appreciated. I can definitely identify with the others making this difficult decision and sympathize.
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Hi Betty. So sorry you find yourself in this position. Check some of the reconstruction threads. You'll find lots of good info and can post your questions directly too. I know many women go back to very active lives. All the best, Kelly
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Betty,
Done that - been there. Many of us are in your shoes. I was diagnosed with ALH / LCIS back in April after biopsy. Again six months later more LCIS. After many hours of research and reviewing the forums on this web site I have decided on Prophylatic Mastectomy. When I met with the surgeon and plastic surgeon they really didn't tell me anything I didn't already know from my 3 months of research. Personally, I believe we need to be proactive and make the decisions that are right for us as individuals. When you read the stories from other women it will help you greatly. Just knowing other women are going through the same thing you are will put you at ease. We are all working together to combat this disease and support one another.
I also have an active lifestyle- have been running and doing triathlons / biathlons for past 30 years.
This diagnosis took me for a loop and I was rather distressed for a while. However, now that I have all my facts straight and have a plan, I feel empowered. Also, there are so many wonderful people here helping me get through this. I no longer feel alone.
Sincerely,
Laurie
Always here for you,
Laurie
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Betty,
I forgot to mention- FORCE is another great resource.
Laurie
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Betty----length of recovery would depend on whether or not you are also doing reconstruction. I was diagnosed with LCIS 7 years ago and also have family history of bc (mom had ILC); I do high risk surviellance and take preventative meds (took tamoxifen for 5 years, now take evista for further prevention). I do alternating mammos and MRIs every 6 months and breast exams on the opposite 6 months. Not a choice for everyone, but it works for me. Feel free to PM me if you'd like.
Anne
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Betty, No one can say how long it will take you to recover only how long it took them and then maybe you;ll fit somewhere in that time frame. I do understand your need to know. I too am a competative tennis player and whenever I've needed to have any proceedure done my first question is always 'how long will I be out of tennis".It's good to have such a passion. It gives you something to work towards.I have a friend who does triathelons and she had bilat mastectomies with reconstruction and she was not allowed to exercise for 3 months. 3-6 months seems like a reasonable time frame but I'm sure your Doc will let you know what he prefers.I recieved a diagnosis of LCIS almost 3 years ago . Had partial mastectomy( aka lumpectomy) and am being followed with oncology vists 3-4x's a year, mammos, mri, ultrasound and bi-annual pelvic ultrasounds.One mri a year ago showed suspicious area in other breast but mri-guided biopsy was negative. I cannot take medication due to past medical hx of pulmonary embolism.This is the road that I have chosen to travel on and so far it's been a good ride for me.
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Thanks to everyone who responded to my post. The support and encouragement on this site is wonderful. I'm doing alot of research and the info provided and the links to check out have been very helpful. I've written down lots of questions for my BC surgeon appointment tomorrow. (note to Kelly - I'm originally from MD!)
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Betty, hope tomorrow is a productive appointment for you. Lots of positive vibes coming to you from your home state! -Kelly
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G'day Jen: I know your feeling, was diagnosed in April with LCIS. Had core needle biospy done, was told that all was benign. Insisted that lump be removed. Then sent to onocology, put on Tamoxifen. Have been considering double mastectomy. Having gyn problems, will be having a D&C done this month to rule out hyperplasia of the uterus, since the endormetrial biospy done last month was inconclusive. My mum had uterine cancer, and other family members different types of cancer. I'm 56 years old, my husband had stroke 3 years ago, have one daughter who is a god send, and I ask the same question each day to myself, do I go and have the double done. Will be waiting for results to see if my gyn wants to do hysterectomy, and then I will make a decision. I'm Aussie living in US..ok if you want to send Prv.Msg. Hope all goes well for all of us....Suzanne
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Hi Ladies,
I had LCIS back in Nov 08 and decided to have a PBM with direct implants. For me it was the right choice. I did not want to go thru the rest of my life worring every 6 mons when I had to be tested. I can't tell you what a relief it is to be over and done with it.
I have a list of questions I want to share with you. Take them to the Dr with you.
If anyone has any questions feel free to PM me.
Good luck
implants or expanders?
Can breast reconstruction be done in my case?
- When can I have reconstruction done?
- What types of reconstruction are possible for me?
- What is the average cost of each type? Will my insurance cover them?
- What type of reconstruction do you think would be best for me? Why?
- How many of these procedures have you (plastic surgeon) done?
- What results are realistic for me?
- How will my reconstructed breast feel to the touch?
- Will I have any feeling in my reconstructed breast?
- What possible complications should I know about?
- How much discomfort or pain will I feel?
- How long will I be in the hospital?
- Will I need blood transfusions? If so, can I donate my own blood?
- How long is the recovery time?
- What will I need to do at home to care for my surgical wound?
- How much help will I need at home to take care of my drain (tube that lets fluid out) and wound?
- When can I start my exercises?
- How much activity can I do at home?
- What do I do if my arm swells (lymph edema)?
- When will I be able to return to normal activity such as driving and working?
- Can I talk with other women who have had the same surgery?
- How long will the implant last?
- What kinds of changes to the breast can I expect over time?
- How will aging affect the reconstructed breast?
- What happens if I gain or lose weight?
- Are there any new reconstruction options that I should know about?
- Nipple Sparing mastectomy?
- Tissue expanders? Are they painful?
- How long till the surgery for implants?
- Will there be drains
- What type of implants, silicone or saline?
- How long will the implants last?
- Are the implants painful?
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Thanks very much for the list of questions. I have decided that no reconstruction will be done when I have the PBM. Bless all of you ladies
Suzanne
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I just heard a very interesting radio broadcast with Dr. Susan Love. I knew I had to share it with all of you.
http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2010/11/13/791-hormones-breast-cancer-and-bones/
Laurie
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After 20 years of HRT I should consider myself lucky that " all I have" is LCIS.I urge everyone on this site to join the Army of Women.I've been a member for a few years and so far have only qualified for 1 survey.Whenever the criteria for a study requires one to have breast cancer I always decline as I don't think that LCIS fits that description but there are other studies that may apply.
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Don't get me started. My mom is on HRT for her osteoporosis. She has very dense breasts even at age 73. Her mammograms always have that inconclusive do to dense tissue message. (Yes I inherited those dense breast but of course don't have them anymore). Her heart is good though.
I tell her to get off them but she won't.
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The issue for me, about a single or double mastectomy is if I have no pain or can't see the cells that are causing me to have this surgery. I know this sounds ignorant. But I usually go to the doctor when there is pain or something does not seem right. None of this happens with DCIS or LCIS. Some one else tells you something could be potentially wrong and might cause grave consequences if you don't "do" something about it. Where is the study, where 300 women are diagnosed and watched over time? Closely watched. Why aren't there trials going on? Isn't that how science figures out all the confusion. I would join a trial or study. I don't have children, I could take the risk. I have a 20% chance of dying of heart disease. Risk is all over the place in life. I simply want more answers before I go through what beesie described above.
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After much deliberation, research and MD. appointments, I too have decided on phophylactic mastectomy (double) and am having the surgery in January. This is the right decision for me, and I feel relief after making this choice. I have met again with my BC surgeon, and the reconstructive Plastic Surgeon who will be putting in the expanders and then doing the implants later. My skin will be spared, but not my nipples. My MD tells me sparing the nipples wouldl not be considered phophylactic, and insurance probably won't cover it. Both of my doctors think the expansion and implants give the best results (their opinion), and I am trusting them. Thanks to Kelly, Laurie and all the rest who replied to my original posting. I'm trying to get all the tennis playing in I can before surgery in January.
I know it will be a while before I am back on the courts.
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Rianne, From all that I've read , and it really isn't a whole lot by me. LCIS used to be treated almost automatically with a mastectomy but only on the affected side. Not sure how they came to the conclusion that this wasn't necessary but they did.Somewhere along the line they had to have followed some women to see if they went on to develope BC and my only conclusion is that there was not a great percentage of them that did.Very close monitoring seems to be a very reasonable plan to me.IF anything were to progress to an actual BC the amount of time that it would have been undetected by my doctors would be 6 months as that's how often some form of radiographic exam is done on me.For me,that's a good deal.Heck if i really wanted to be proactive I'd take out my uterus and ovaries too.At some point you have to believe the studies.
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I have extensive LCIS in one breast (the one that had high grade PILC) and have just been diagnosed with low grade IDC in the other breast one year later and I am not choosing to have a mastectomy. This low grade stuff seems to have been missed last year and I want to give the Arimidex/Herceptin/Zometa a chance. If I were to develop a brand new primary, then I might go so far as to have a bilateral. My surgeon said I have hard to read breasts - so I'll just have an MRI periodically. Having a BMX does not stop you from getting breast cancer it just minimises the chance.
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Thanks Misty. I loved your reply as I tend to think the same way which is why I chose preventative mastectomy. I am scheduled on Dec 13 but I feel confident it is the right decision for me. I am too aggressive in my nature to take a watch and see attitude no matter what the outcome may entail.
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Wanted to let all you wonderful ladies who replied to my original post back in Oct./Nov. that I had my Prophylactic bilateral mastectomies (with tissue expanders) on Jan. 10th and am recovering slowly but surely - feeling better each day. Have a very supportive husband who has been with me every step of the way - even spending the 2 nights in my hospital room with me. (Diagnosed with LCIS in Sept. after 4th biopsy, and have strong family history). Had my followups with both my BC surgeon and recon. surgeon yesterday. WOW did I make the right decision - path. report came back and right breast has infiltrating ductal carcinoma, focal atypical lobular hyperplasia and definitive LCIS. Waiting on FISH testing to come back for HER2/neu diagnosis, but already have oncologist appointment set up for next week. I know for a lot of people, my decision seemed drastic, but I just felt it was right for me, and my gut feeling was right on! So for those of you who are faced with the LCIS diagnosis and are leaning in the direction I did, do what you feel is right for you - you know your body and your way of handling the uncertainty of the diagnosis of LCIS.
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BettyJ
soooo glad you went with your gut!!! wow, I had a similar situation, having been diagnosed LCIS/ADH (strong family hx) and went BMX, My path came back with multiple areas of DCIS - undetected as well...
The relief at having made my choice and sticking with it was even more than I could explain, (kind of euphoric, I guess?!?) at having changed my fate. You caught your cancer and I am so glad for you, in a wierd way - I am certainly not happy about your path report...but I am glad that it was caught and you can begin the road that might have been different if you had gone lumpectomy.
Lumpectomy is a great choice for certain situations, I truly believe that, but it seems that in your case, as well as mine, that BMX was the way to go.
I wish you all the best as you navigate this next phase, sending peaceful thoughts to you...
~megan
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Wow Betty J, here's wishing you all the best and I'm so happy there was no further delay in your current diagnosis. I'll be looking for your posts as you carry on. Please keep us informed on everything!
My PBM was done to end the high risk surveillance, decrease my chances of breast cancer to almost zero w/o meds. Opinions and recommendations will change over time.
I don't live anywhere near a quality center for High risk screening and have to pay cash for all test and procedures untill an $10K insurance deductible is met. Each year.
Sometimes testing comes up short. A bilateral was perfect for me and last spring and has been reinforced many times over since then.
Woman do not always have a choice of mastectomy by medical deciders who exclaim "that's too drastic!!" Breast conservation is not for every woman and sometimes that seems to be the expected position to start consideration. The pendulum will swing, it always does.
It should be the affected woman's choice and it's a pity some are stymied in choice. IT SHOULD BE A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOSE.
If you have chosen otherwise I will not diminish your choice by using hostile language suggesting you have under reached in your choice not to have a mastectomy. -
Thanks for the supportive posts, Megan and Msippiqueen! Wanted to update you on my path. After the BPM, (LCIS diagnosis and strong fam. history), and the discovery of infiltrating ductal carcinoma, I needed to have ancillary lymph node dissection to determine involvement (if any) and treatment plan from there. Thank God I had negative nodes (9 extracted). I am healing from that surgery (a little rough) and just had the last 2 drains removed from the mastectomy yesterday (they were in for 6 weeks!) I had my second fill in TE's yesterday and that has made me sore and achy today, but Tylenol is helping. I'm thinking one more fill, and then the permanent implant surgery. I need to see oncologist (app.t next week) for treatment plan (thinking probably hormone therapy?!) but will hear options then. I can't wait to get this behind me and get back on the tennis court - hopefully by summer!)
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BettyJ - so glad to hear of negative nodes!!!Drains for 6 weeks, you must have been ready to pull 'em out, I was feeling crazy after 2 weeks!
I agree and definitley understand the feeling of wanting to get this behind you, my exchange is in 3 1/2 weeks and I feel that life can begin to turn back to "normal", albeit an "new normal ;-)! I wish you all the best and hope you are back on the tennis courts when you feel good!
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BettyJ,
Wishing the very best for you as you continue on toward the tennis court!
What I especially love about bco is there is a forum or thread for just about anything you may wish to explore as your plan develops. Please keep us posted and God bless you.
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